JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:says."
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would >never arrive? Where are those idiots now?Where indeed?
"New Zealanders are not benefiting from economic growth Grant Robertson
Well Grant who is then?
"Green party co-leader James Shaw says the surplus is 'inefficient'." Does he
actually understand what a surplus is, or would he prefer a deficit? Contemptible!
Tony
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.Where indeed?
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would >never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would
On 2016-10-13, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:No different from any government ever.
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would >>never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
Remember when the Government promised a surplus before now? Like 2 years
ago.
Tax cuts, not until there is an opposition breathing hard on the Govenments >tail.
On 2016-10-13, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:So how is this relevant? IIRC this budget surplus is the second in as
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
Remember when the Government promised a surplus before now? Like 2 years
ago.
Tax cuts, not until there is an opposition breathing hard on the Govenments >tail.
On 2016-10-13, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would
Remember when the Government promised a surplus before now? Like 2 years
ago.
Tax cuts, not until there is an opposition breathing hard on the Govenments tail.
On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 22:21:00 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netsays."
dot nz> wrote:
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.Where indeed?
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would >>never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
"New Zealanders are not benefiting from economic growth Grant Robertson
heWell Grant who is then?
"Green party co-leader James Shaw says the surplus is 'inefficient'." Does
actually understand what a surplus is, or would he prefer a deficit? >Contemptible!It is certainly very good that at long last we do have an operating
Tony
surplus - only about 5 years later than promised, but at lest it is
there.
Of course the government has already promised money for the Housing Corporation who are already running out of money, and they are
promising a small increase in police numbers, and then there is an
election to run with associated bribes - and then there is paying back
the debt accrued from the last tax cuts - surely you don;t expect our government to promote Trump-like policies of unaffordable tax cuts and
higher debt?
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:It is certainly very good that at long last we do have an operating
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.Where indeed?
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would >>never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
"New Zealanders are not benefiting from economic growth Grant Robertson says." >Well Grant who is then?
"Green party co-leader James Shaw says the surplus is 'inefficient'." Does he >actually understand what a surplus is, or would he prefer a deficit? >Contemptible!
Tony
On 2016-10-13, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
Remember when the Government promised a surplus before now? Like 2 years
ago.
Tax cuts, not until there is an opposition breathing hard on the Govenments tail.
On Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:25:39 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 22:21:00 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:It is certainly very good that at long last we do have an operating
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.Where indeed?
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would >> >>never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
"New Zealanders are not benefiting from economic growth Grant Robertson says."
Well Grant who is then?
"Green party co-leader James Shaw says the surplus is 'inefficient'." Does he
actually understand what a surplus is, or would he prefer a deficit?
Contemptible!
Tony
surplus - only about 5 years later than promised, but at lest it is
there.
5 years? The lies come so easily for you, don't they, Dickbot?
The Nats originally forecast surpluses by the 2014/2015 year and they did achieved that within a year of the target, you lying little loser.
http://on-cue.co.nz/NZAE/Returning_to_surplus_NZAE.pdf
And remember this almost exactly a year ago: >http://www.labour.org.nz/bill_english_s_first_surplus_will_be_his_lastspokesperson Grant Robertson says.
"On Wednesday it is almost certain the Government will announce a surplus for the last financial year – when it was at the peak of the economic cycle – but will be on course to break its promise for surpluses in the years ahead, Labour’s Finance
...
“In the last Budget Bill English promised surpluses over the next three years but with economic growth flattening out and major industries like dairy struggling, this year’s books and the years after will be in the red."
Nice work Robbo - you're a financial genius - not!
Of course the government has already promised money for the Housing
Corporation who are already running out of money, and they are
They need capital, not operating cashflow. But as shown above, people should not listen to financial retards such as Robbo and yourself.
promising a small increase in police numbers, and then there is an
They haven't said what the police numbers are so stop your lying.
election to run with associated bribes - and then there is paying back
the debt accrued from the last tax cuts - surely you don;t expect our
government to promote Trump-like policies of unaffordable tax cuts and
higher debt?
As has just been demonstrated, tax cuts are affordable and due.
Now be off, you lying little worm.
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would
On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 01:07:00 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>would
wrote:
On Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:25:39 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 22:21:00 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus
says."never arrive? Where are those idiots now?Where indeed?
"New Zealanders are not benefiting from economic growth Grant Robertson
Does heWell Grant who is then?
"Green party co-leader James Shaw says the surplus is 'inefficient'."
achieved that within a year of the target, you lying little loser.actually understand what a surplus is, or would he prefer a deficit?It is certainly very good that at long last we do have an operating
Contemptible!
Tony
surplus - only about 5 years later than promised, but at lest it is
there.
5 years? The lies come so easily for you, don't they, Dickbot?
The Nats originally forecast surpluses by the 2014/2015 year and they did
http://on-cue.co.nz/NZAE/Returning_to_surplus_NZAE.pdf
for the last financial year – when it was at the peak of the economic cycle – but will be on course to break its promise for surpluses in the years ahead, Labour’s FinanceAnd remember this almost exactly a year ago: >http://www.labour.org.nz/bill_english_s_first_surplus_will_be_his_last
"On Wednesday it is almost certain the Government will announce a surplus
years but with economic growth flattening out and major industries like dairy struggling, this year’s books and the years after will be in the red."...
“In the last Budget Bill English promised surpluses over the next three
not listen to financial retards such as Robbo and yourself.Nice work Robbo - you're a financial genius - not!
Of course the government has already promised money for the Housing
Corporation who are already running out of money, and they are
They need capital, not operating cashflow. But as shown above, people should
promising a small increase in police numbers, and then there is an
They haven't said what the police numbers are so stop your lying.
election to run with associated bribes - and then there is paying back
the debt accrued from the last tax cuts - surely you don;t expect our
government to promote Trump-like policies of unaffordable tax cuts and
higher debt?
As has just been demonstrated, tax cuts are affordable and due.
Now be off, you lying little worm.
Now i've had a look I see that this is just a shift of one qaurter -
doubtless known about for weeks, but in reality a statistical blip -
leaving out a bad quarter and bringing in a better one. Desperation by
National. As Bill English says in the the political press release: https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-surplus-increases-18-billion
“If there is any further fiscal headroom, we may have the opportunity
to reduce debt faster and as we’ve always said, if economic and fiscal conditions allow, we will begin to reduce income taxes."
In other words thiis is a dog-whistle to those baying for the
government to ignore the housing crisis, the deficits of DHBs, the underfunding of education, the poverty crisis, the high unemployment,
etc, etc. All they need, Trump-like, is to be able to look at tax cuts
for the wealthy!
and even on laura norder National are failing us: http://www.labour.org.nz/andrew_little_speech_to_the_police_association_conference_2016
On 13 Oct 2016 04:55:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
On 2016-10-13, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:So how is this relevant? IIRC this budget surplus is the second in as
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
Remember when the Government promised a surplus before now? Like 2 years >>ago.
many years.
Tax cuts, not until there is an opposition breathing hard on the Govenments >>tail.
Talk of tax cuts at this early stage bother me. We have survived the
GFC on government borrowing so surely debt repayment trumps tax cuts
until government debt is reduced to levels similar to pre-GFC.
On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 20:18:10 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Even better - ask yourself what any government would do with only a year left to the next election! Their political stripes are irrelevant in that case.
wrote:
On 13 Oct 2016 04:55:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
On 2016-10-13, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:So how is this relevant? IIRC this budget surplus is the second in as
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would >>>>never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
Remember when the Government promised a surplus before now? Like 2 years >>>ago.
many years.
Tax cuts, not until there is an opposition breathing hard on the Govenments >>>tail.
Talk of tax cuts at this early stage bother me. We have survived the
GFC on government borrowing so surely debt repayment trumps tax cuts
until government debt is reduced to levels similar to pre-GFC.
Ask yourself: in a country bind-drunk on debt under a National
government, who has most to gain by favouring tax cuts rather than
debt repayment?
On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 20:18:10 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>would never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
wrote:
On 13 Oct 2016 04:55:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
On 2016-10-13, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus
So how is this relevant? IIRC this budget surplus is the second in as
Remember when the Government promised a surplus before now? Like 2 years >>ago.
many years.
Tax cuts, not until there is an opposition breathing hard on the Govenments >>tail.
Talk of tax cuts at this early stage bother me. We have survived the
GFC on government borrowing so surely debt repayment trumps tax cuts
until government debt is reduced to levels similar to pre-GFC.
Ask yourself: in a country bind-drunk on debt under a National
government, who has most to gain by favouring tax cuts rather than
debt repayment?
On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 01:07:00 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>he
wrote:
On Thursday, 13 October 2016 20:25:39 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 12 Oct 2016 22:21:00 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.Where indeed?
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would
never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
"New Zealanders are not benefiting from economic growth Grant Robertson says."
Well Grant who is then?
"Green party co-leader James Shaw says the surplus is 'inefficient'." Does
spokesperson Grant Robertson says.actually understand what a surplus is, or would he prefer a deficit?It is certainly very good that at long last we do have an operating
Contemptible!
Tony
surplus - only about 5 years later than promised, but at lest it is
there.
5 years? The lies come so easily for you, don't they, Dickbot?
The Nats originally forecast surpluses by the 2014/2015 year and they did achieved that within a year of the target, you lying little loser.
http://on-cue.co.nz/NZAE/Returning_to_surplus_NZAE.pdf
And remember this almost exactly a year ago:
http://www.labour.org.nz/bill_english_s_first_surplus_will_be_his_last
"On Wednesday it is almost certain the Government will announce a surplus for the last financial year – when it was at the peak of the economic cycle – but will be on course to break its promise for surpluses in the years ahead, Labour’s Finance
not listen to financial retards such as Robbo and yourself....
“In the last Budget Bill English promised surpluses over the next three years but with economic growth flattening out and major industries like dairy struggling, this year’s books and the years after will be in the red."
Nice work Robbo - you're a financial genius - not!
Of course the government has already promised money for the Housing
Corporation who are already running out of money, and they are
They need capital, not operating cashflow. But as shown above, people should
promising a small increase in police numbers, and then there is an
They haven't said what the police numbers are so stop your lying.
election to run with associated bribes - and then there is paying back
the debt accrued from the last tax cuts - surely you don;t expect our
government to promote Trump-like policies of unaffordable tax cuts and
higher debt?
As has just been demonstrated, tax cuts are affordable and due.
Now be off, you lying little worm.
Now i've had a look I see that this is just a shift of one qaurter - doubtless known about for weeks, but in reality a statistical blip -
leaving out a bad quarter and bringing in a better one. Desperation by National. As Bill English says in the the political press release: https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/government-surplus-increases-18-billion
“If there is any further fiscal headroom, we may have the opportunity
to reduce debt faster and as we’ve always said, if economic and fiscal conditions allow, we will begin to reduce income taxes."
In other words thiis is a dog-whistle to those baying for the
government to ignore the housing crisis, the deficits of DHBs, the underfunding of education, the poverty crisis, the high unemployment,
etc, etc. All they need, Trump-like, is to be able to look at tax cuts
for the wealthy!
Look here for a summary of other options for government : https://bootstheory.wordpress.com/2016/10/13/there-is-no-surplus/
and a summary of the hypocrisy of this government: http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2016/10/fiscal-prudence.html
and even here: http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/govt-posts-18b-surplus-but-not-everything-sitting-pretty-2016101313
and even on laura norder National are failing us: http://www.labour.org.nz/andrew_little_speech_to_the_police_association_conference_2016
On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 20:18:10 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
wrote:
On 13 Oct 2016 04:55:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
On 2016-10-13, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would
So how is this relevant? IIRC this budget surplus is the second in as
Remember when the Government promised a surplus before now? Like 2 years >>>ago.
many years.
Tax cuts, not until there is an opposition breathing hard on the Govenments >>>tail.
Talk of tax cuts at this early stage bother me. We have survived the
GFC on government borrowing so surely debt repayment trumps tax cuts
until government debt is reduced to levels similar to pre-GFC.
Ask yourself: in a country bind-drunk on debt under a National
government, who has most to gain by favouring tax cuts rather than
debt repayment?
On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 22:11:07 GMT, slaybot@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 20:18:10 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On 13 Oct 2016 04:55:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
On 2016-10-13, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:So how is this relevant? IIRC this budget surplus is the second in as >>>many years.
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
Remember when the Government promised a surplus before now? Like 2 years >>>>ago.
Tax cuts, not until there is an opposition breathing hard on the Govenments >>>>tail.
Talk of tax cuts at this early stage bother me. We have survived the
GFC on government borrowing so surely debt repayment trumps tax cuts >>>until government debt is reduced to levels similar to pre-GFC.
Ask yourself: in a country bind-drunk on debt under a National
government, who has most to gain by favouring tax cuts rather than
debt repayment?
Newsman I don't accept that premise. I recall many Governments, both >National and the odd Labour flavour, who have consistently run
debt-funded deficits for many consecutive years up to 2014-15.
Tax cuts are not necessarily a proven path to re-election as the
(largely) Lange-led government found out in 1990. While the current >National-led government may well waltz into a 4th term this is not
because of their actions (which may well include tax reductions in the >future) but because there is no credible opposition party. We have
the perpetual minor parties (Greens and Winston First) with Labour
being an ineffectual shadow of its former self with a Trade Union
secretary (and an always-list,
always-defeated-electorate-MP-candidate) as its Parliamentary leader. >Labour's brand is so damaged that their successful official candidates
for both Auckland and Wellington mayoralties did not use the red
Labour brand.
Newsman, ask yourself: where to from here with the current options?
(Hint: none-of-the-above is not valid).
On Fri, 14 Oct 2016 21:52:40 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 22:11:07 GMT, slaybot@hotmail.com (Newsman) wrote:
On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 20:18:10 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On 13 Oct 2016 04:55:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:
On 2016-10-13, JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:So how is this relevant? IIRC this budget surplus is the second in as >>>> many years.
Budget surplus now $1.8 billion. Outstanding.
And it is sustainable. Looking forward to the tax cut.
Remember when the Labour flunkies used to howl about how the surplus would never arrive? Where are those idiots now?
Remember when the Government promised a surplus before now? Like 2 years >>>>> ago.
Tax cuts, not until there is an opposition breathing hard on the Govenments
tail.
Talk of tax cuts at this early stage bother me. We have survived the
GFC on government borrowing so surely debt repayment trumps tax cuts
until government debt is reduced to levels similar to pre-GFC.
Ask yourself: in a country bind-drunk on debt under a National
government, who has most to gain by favouring tax cuts rather than
debt repayment?
Newsman I don't accept that premise. I recall many Governments, both
National and the odd Labour flavour, who have consistently run
debt-funded deficits for many consecutive years up to 2014-15.
Tax cuts are not necessarily a proven path to re-election as the
(largely) Lange-led government found out in 1990. While the current
National-led government may well waltz into a 4th term this is not
because of their actions (which may well include tax reductions in the
future) but because there is no credible opposition party. We have
the perpetual minor parties (Greens and Winston First) with Labour
being an ineffectual shadow of its former self with a Trade Union
secretary (and an always-list,
always-defeated-electorate-MP-candidate) as its Parliamentary leader.
Labour's brand is so damaged that their successful official candidates
for both Auckland and Wellington mayoralties did not use the red
Labour brand.
Newsman, ask yourself: where to from here with the current options?
(Hint: none-of-the-above is not valid).
Of course there is a credible opposition - you are blind to it, but
polls indicate tht many are not - infact around the same number that
find the government credible.
The government is increasingly not believed as well - many are getting
fed up with spin and the coterie of "independent" hangers -on: http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/bayleys-early-edition/opinion/andrew-dickens-the-surplus-isnt-really-a-surplus-at-all/
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