http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/

Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

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On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/

Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your nightmare. The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour have yet to come up with a solution that is feasible.

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of Angry little Andy and his mob, Key and co will continue to sleepwalk to victory. That's what you get due to the lack of credible opposition.

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On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 09:58:32 UTC+12, JohnO wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 09:50:26 UTC+12, Newsman wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/

Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Probably even longer, such is the rank futility of your efforts to get "Rich" to come round to your way of thinking.

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your

nightmare.

The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour have yet to

come up with a solution that is feasible.

All too shamefully late. In the perpetual political game of Pass the Parcel, Key and his mob are now presiding over lotus-eating for some, grinding poverty for many.

Here's The Guardian doing Pollyanna Key a favour by airing his dirty
linen for all the world to see.........and re-publish.

http://tinyurl.com/ztut5tv

Oh come on, you know the definition of poverty they use is a joke. By the

definition used: people living on some level below an average income... all we need to do is line up all the rich pricks and shoot them to bring others out of
poverty. And you
are buying into it.

Maybe they should have stopped breeding at two kids and they'd be a little more
comfortable? Maybe they could shift out of Auckland - plenty of jobs elsewhere and lower living costs. Maybe those fat kids should be outside instead of watching TV all day
and maybe they should not be spending their money on chips and fizzy drinks?

These fuckers are living for free in motel room courtesy of you and me, and it is all our fault that they continue to make bad decisions and blame their situation on others.

That is the problem NZ (and other first world countries) have: personal responsibility is ceasing to exist.


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On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 09:50:26 UTC+12, Newsman wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/

Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Probably even longer, such is the rank futility of your efforts to get
"Rich" to come round to your way of thinking.

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your

nightmare.

The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour have yet to

come up with a solution that is feasible.

All too shamefully late. In the perpetual political game of Pass the
Parcel, Key and his mob are now presiding over lotus-eating for some, grinding poverty for many.

Here's The Guardian doing Pollyanna Key a favour by airing his dirty
linen for all the world to see.........and re-publish.

http://tinyurl.com/ztut5tv

I wonder why The Guardian didn't mention that according to Unicef, Britain has higher child poverty rates than New Zealand?

https://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/rc10_eng.pdf

As does Canada - often held up as a progressive social success story. And Japan, USA etc.

It's all bullshit. These poverty indexes are simply inequality indexes. And inequality is not bad in itself, as long as those at the bottom have the opportunity to improve themselves. As they do in NZ.

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On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/

Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Probably even longer, such is the rank futility of your efforts to get
"Rich" to come round to your way of thinking.

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your nightmare.

The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour have yet to come

up with a solution that is feasible.

All too shamefully late. In the perpetual political game of Pass the
Parcel, Key and his mob are now presiding over lotus-eating for some,
grinding poverty for many.

Here's The Guardian doing Pollyanna Key a favour by airing his dirty
linen for all the world to see.........and re-publish.

http://tinyurl.com/ztut5tv

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On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 09:50:26 UTC+12, Newsman wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/

Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Probably even longer, such is the rank futility of your efforts to get
"Rich" to come round to your way of thinking.

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your

nightmare.

The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour have yet to

come up with a solution that is feasible.

All too shamefully late. In the perpetual political game of Pass the
Parcel, Key and his mob are now presiding over lotus-eating for some, grinding poverty for many.

Here's The Guardian doing Pollyanna Key a favour by airing his dirty
linen for all the world to see.........and re-publish.

http://tinyurl.com/ztut5tv

Oh come on, you know the definition of poverty they use is a joke. By the definition used: people living on some level below an average income... all we need to do is line up all the rich pricks and shoot them to bring others out of
poverty. And you are
buying into it.

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On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/

Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your nightmare. The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour have yet to come up with a solution that is feasible.

tht may have been true at one time, but I don't believe it has been
over the period since 2008.

For a different view of house prices, look at this: http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-zealand-hangs-welcome-sign-for-foreign-investors-1471339801

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of Angry little Andy and his mob, Key and

co will continue to sleepwalk to victory. That's what you get due to the lack of credible opposition.

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of "Double Dipton" Blinglish,
Shon-key and the rest of the Nasty Nat mob, Labour/Green will
continue to work hard towards victory in 2017. That's what you get due
to the lack of credible government.

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Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/

Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your >>nightmare. The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour >>have yet to come up with a solution that is feasible.

tht may have been true at one time, but I don't believe it has been
over the period since 2008.

For a different view of house prices, look at this: http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-zealand-hangs-welcome-sign-for-foreign-investors-1471339801

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of Angry little Andy and his mob, Key >>and co will continue to sleepwalk to victory. That's what you get due to >>the lack of credible opposition.

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of "Double Dipton" Blinglish,
Shon-key and the rest of the Nasty Nat mob,

Name calling is puerile. You're better than that Rich.

Labour/Green will
continue to work hard towards victory in 2017. That's what you get due
to the lack of credible government.

You mean lack of a credible opposition, surely?
--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:58:02 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/

Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your >>>nightmare. The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour >>>have yet to come up with a solution that is feasible.

tht may have been true at one time, but I don't believe it has been
over the period since 2008.

For a different view of house prices, look at this:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-zealand-hangs-welcome-sign-for-foreign-investors-1471339801

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of Angry little Andy and his mob, Key >>>and co will continue to sleepwalk to victory. That's what you get due to >>>the lack of credible opposition.

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of "Double Dipton" Blinglish,
Shon-key and the rest of the Nasty Nat mob,

Name calling is puerile. You're better than that Rich.

Fair enough. Others should be too. The use of nearly identical
language to the previous comment should be a clue that it was
effectively a criticism of the relentless name-calling from JohnO and
other posters.

Labour/Green will
continue to work hard towards victory in 2017. That's what you get due
to the lack of credible government.

You mean lack of a credible opposition, surely?

No, see comment above - some statements from the likes of JohnO are so meaningless thatt hey can be turned 180 degrees from a criticism of
opposition to a criticism of government with the same level of
credibility.

An inability to engage on the subject of a post is symptomatic of
troll behaviour. Ignoring Pooh seems to have helped; others are
getting close to qualifying themselves as similar content-less trolls.
The latest news about rewarding land-bankers instead of builing homes,
and of selling state houses at less than GV are both subjects which
should be causing us to think about alternatives. One of the
candidates for Auckland mayor (Crone?) suggested that those
land-banking should be levied with higher rates - that suggestion
seems to have dropped out of sight, but if a competitive advantage is
given through zoning, it is fair to expect that it will be used; if it
is not, I see no reason why the land should not attract rates based on
the developement that should have happened. That would be a fair
market reaction to favoured treatment by government / council, but it
seems the government is not even listening to their own people.

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Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:58:02 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/ >>>>>
Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your >>>>nightmare. The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour >>>>have yet to come up with a solution that is feasible.

tht may have been true at one time, but I don't believe it has been
over the period since 2008.

For a different view of house prices, look at this:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-zealand-hangs-welcome-sign-for-foreign-investors-1471339801

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of Angry little Andy and his mob, >>>>Key and co will continue to sleepwalk to victory. That's what you get >>>>due to the lack of credible opposition.

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of "Double Dipton" Blinglish,
Shon-key and the rest of the Nasty Nat mob,

Name calling is puerile. You're better than that Rich.

Fair enough. Others should be too. The use of nearly identical
language to the previous comment should be a clue that it was
effectively a criticism of the relentless name-calling from JohnO and
other posters.

"He did it do I can do it too". That's also decidedly adolescent.

Labour/Green will
continue to work hard towards victory in 2017. That's what you get due
to the lack of credible government.

You mean lack of a credible opposition, surely?

No, see comment above - some statements from the likes of JohnO are so meaningless thatt hey can be turned 180 degrees from a criticism of opposition to a criticism of government with the same level of
credibility.

All governments lack credibility in certain areas. That's politics. We have never seen an opposition with less credibility than the current one.

An inability to engage on the subject of a post is symptomatic of
troll behaviour. Ignoring Pooh seems to have helped; others are
getting close to qualifying themselves as similar content-less trolls.
The latest news about rewarding land-bankers instead of builing homes,
and of selling state houses at less than GV are both subjects which
should be causing us to think about alternatives. One of the
candidates for Auckland mayor (Crone?) suggested that those
land-banking should be levied with higher rates - that suggestion
seems to have dropped out of sight, but if a competitive advantage is
given through zoning, it is fair to expect that it will be used; if it
is not, I see no reason why the land should not attract rates based on
the developement that should have happened. That would be a fair
market reaction to favoured treatment by government / council, but it
seems the government is not even listening to their own people.

Land is an asset owned by private individuals. No third party should be able
to force them to do anything in particular with it. What should happen is
the state (including local councils) should step well out of the way.
--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 22:38:02 +1200, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:58:02 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/ >>>>>
Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your >>>>nightmare. The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour >>>>have yet to come up with a solution that is feasible.

tht may have been true at one time, but I don't believe it has been
over the period since 2008.

For a different view of house prices, look at this:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-zealand-hangs-welcome-sign-for-foreign-investors-1471339801

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of Angry little Andy and his mob, Key >>>>and co will continue to sleepwalk to victory. That's what you get due to >>>>the lack of credible opposition.

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of "Double Dipton" Blinglish,
Shon-key and the rest of the Nasty Nat mob,

Name calling is puerile. You're better than that Rich.

Fair enough. Others should be too. The use of nearly identical
language to the previous comment should be a clue that it was
effectively a criticism of the relentless name-calling from JohnO and
other posters.

Explaining is losing

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On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 19:58:09 UTC+12, Allistar wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/

Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your >>nightmare. The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour >>have yet to come up with a solution that is feasible.

tht may have been true at one time, but I don't believe it has been
over the period since 2008.

For a different view of house prices, look at this: http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-zealand-hangs-welcome-sign-for-foreign-investors-1471339801

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of Angry little Andy and his mob, Key >>and co will continue to sleepwalk to victory. That's what you get due to >>the lack of credible opposition.

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of "Double Dipton" Blinglish,
Shon-key and the rest of the Nasty Nat mob,

Name calling is puerile.
You're better than that Rich.

Whatever gives you that idea, Allistar? All Dickbot does here is spout propaganda lies on behalf of Labour/Green, and worse, misrepresents others by putting words in their mouths the opposite of what they obviously mean.

Labour/Green will
continue to work hard towards victory in 2017. That's what you get due
to the lack of credible government.

You mean lack of a credible opposition, surely?

He may know that but would never admit it.

--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 16:48:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/

Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your

nightmare. The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour have yet to come up with a solution that is feasible.

tht may have been true at one time, but I don't believe it has been
over the period since 2008.

Do you ever get sick of being slapped with facts, Dickbot: http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2016/08/when-did-homes-start-becoming.html

Sucks to be you.

For a different view of house prices, look at this: http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-zealand-hangs-welcome-sign-for-foreign-investors-1471339801

Largely irrelevant.

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of Angry little Andy and his mob, Key

and co will continue to sleepwalk to victory. That's what you get due to the lack of credible opposition.

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of "Double Dipton" Blinglish,
Shon-key and the rest of the Nasty Nat mob, Labour/Green will

Stupid puerile stuff from Dickbot...

continue to work hard towards victory in 2017. That's what you get due
to the lack of credible government.

Dreams are free, Dickbot, but you seem to be a slow learner having been mooing the same crap since 2008....

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On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 20:14:53 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 16:48:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/

Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your nightmare. The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour have yet to come up with a solution that is feasible.

tht may have been true at one time, but I don't believe it has been
over the period since 2008.

Do you ever get sick of being slapped with facts, Dickbot: >http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2016/08/when-did-homes-start-becoming.html

Sucks to be you.

Thanks for that reference, JohnO. From it:

"When did homes start becoming unaffordable? Good question.

From 1957 to the late-1980s the median New Zealand house price was
between two-to-three times the median annual household income. Back
then they were affordable.(A city’s housing affordability is generally
defined as having the median house price less than or around three
times the median income.)

By the late 1990s, the average house price had already risen to four
times the average household income, and houses began becoming
inexorably unaffordable.

It wasn’t until 2008 however that headlines began happening and
home-buyers became seriously worried, as prices peaked at a seriously unaffordable six and a half times the median household income in
2008." …

"They peaked in other places. But in Auckland they just kept on going
up. In Auckland now, they’re rapidly approaching a severely
unaffordable ten times the median household income."
"If you're paying for your house out of your average income, I think
you'd agree that's a very rapid rise into the territory marked as
"severely unaffordable."

Great if you’re a home-owner.

Murder if you're not.

So what happened in the 90s to begin that tick up into unafforability?

Well, the 1992 Building Act is one. Far from being deregulation, as
some still risibly claim, it implemented a new multi-volume building
code, a new building bureaucracy, and an ageing and failing
superbureaucrat to oversee it all. He failed very soon, as it happens,
but we are left with the rotting bureaucratic system he left us that
adds months to a consent preparation and application, and many
thousands to the building cost of every house. (And as costs became
higher and profits lower, fewer spec builders bothered to even try building-to-sell the new houses they had previously.)

Another thing that happened in the 1990s was National’s Resource
Management Act, introduced by Simon Upton and then administered
without change by Nick Smith (yes, children, that Nick Smith now
insisting he must change it), an Act that brought about the greatest
attack on property rights since the war and, with it, the most severe restrictions on the supply and use of building land ever seen before
in this once nearly-Freeland.

So those are two reasons for home-buyers to weep right there. (Three,
if you include the thought of Nick Smith.)

And what happened in Auckland around 2011? If you answered “Rodney
Hide’s super-fucking-bureaucracy began really kicking in,” I reckon
you might just get the prize. The new super-bureaucrats have made the
city more expensive, building more difficult, and planning a
development infinitely more uncertain – especially with the six-year
process of implementing their Unitary Plan, which has created
tremendous regime uncertainty1 among property owners and investors.

Even with an earthquake that destroyed most of its inner city and
eastern suburbs, Christhurch has done better – which makes Rodney
Hide’s amalgamation a bigger bloody housing disaster than their
earthquake."
"And while the city has always been ring-fenced by the central
planners, it is only perhaps in the last few years that the ring-fence
has become a serious constraint – one that the new Unitary Plan is
reported to retain!

The story remains that unaffordable cities are generally cities that
are constrained from building, and constrained from expanding.

More tomorrow."

_________________________

Possibly worth looking tomorrow!

For a different view of house prices, look at this:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-zealand-hangs-welcome-sign-for-foreign-investors-1471339801

Largely irrelevant.

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of Angry little Andy and his mob, Key and co will continue to sleepwalk to victory. That's what you get due to the lack of credible opposition.

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of "Double Dipton" Blinglish,
Shon-key and the rest of the Nasty Nat mob, Labour/Green will

Stupid puerile stuff from Dickbot...

continue to work hard towards victory in 2017. That's what you get due
to the lack of credible government.

Dreams are free, Dickbot, but you seem to be a slow learner having been mooing

the same crap since 2008....

As the article above shows, the cowpats have largely come from the ideologically blinkered Nat/Act incompetents. . . - not helped by
selling off State houses for $12.5 million less than RV . . .

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On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 16:48:48 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/

Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your >>nightmare. The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour >>have yet to come up with a solution that is feasible.

tht may have been true at one time, but I don't believe it has been over
the period since 2008.

For a different view of house prices, look at this: http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-zealand-hangs-welcome-sign-for-foreign-

investors-1471339801

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of Angry little Andy and his mob,
Key and co will continue to sleepwalk to victory. That's what you get
due to the lack of credible opposition.

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of "Double Dipton" Blinglish,
Shon-key and the rest of the Nasty Nat mob, Labour/Green will continue
to work hard towards victory in 2017. That's what you get due to the
lack of credible government.

Add self-delusion to your catalogue of sins. They may indeed "work
hard", but it will be nugatory work unless and until they can convince
New Zealanders that they are, or could be, a coherent government-in-
waiting. On current performance, fat chance.

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On Thu, 18 Aug 2016 06:55:09 -0000 (UTC), HitAnyKey
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 16:48:48 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/

Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your >>>nightmare. The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour >>>have yet to come up with a solution that is feasible.

tht may have been true at one time, but I don't believe it has been over
the period since 2008.

For a different view of house prices, look at this:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-zealand-hangs-welcome-sign-for-foreign- >investors-1471339801

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of Angry little Andy and his mob, >>>Key and co will continue to sleepwalk to victory. That's what you get
due to the lack of credible opposition.

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of "Double Dipton" Blinglish,
Shon-key and the rest of the Nasty Nat mob, Labour/Green will continue
to work hard towards victory in 2017. That's what you get due to the
lack of credible government.

Add self-delusion to your catalogue of sins. They may indeed "work
hard", but it will be nugatory work unless and until they can convince
New Zealanders that they are, or could be, a coherent government-in-
waiting. On current performance, fat chance.

Which of the two statements above contains truth, fact, supporting
evidence or relevance to the article postsed as the basis for this
thread? Turn a statement around to point inthe other direction and it instructive how shallow the attack by innuendo and assertion really
is.
The article cited: http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/
does contain at least some cogent arguments and facts; you may not
like them, but it is notable that no-one has seriously disputed them.

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On 17/08/2016 10:38 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:58:02 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/ >>>>>
Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your
nightmare. The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour >>>> have yet to come up with a solution that is feasible.

tht may have been true at one time, but I don't believe it has been
over the period since 2008.

For a different view of house prices, look at this:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-zealand-hangs-welcome-sign-for-foreign-investors-1471339801

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of Angry little Andy and his mob, Key >>>> and co will continue to sleepwalk to victory. That's what you get due to >>>> the lack of credible opposition.

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of "Double Dipton" Blinglish,
Shon-key and the rest of the Nasty Nat mob,

Name calling is puerile. You're better than that Rich.

Fair enough. Others should be too. The use of nearly identical
language to the previous comment should be a clue that it was
effectively a criticism of the relentless name-calling from JohnO and
other posters.

Labour/Green will
continue to work hard towards victory in 2017. That's what you get due
to the lack of credible government.

You mean lack of a credible opposition, surely?

No, see comment above - some statements from the likes of JohnO are so meaningless thatt hey can be turned 180 degrees from a criticism of opposition to a criticism of government with the same level of
credibility.

An inability to engage on the subject of a post is symptomatic of
troll behaviour. Ignoring Pooh seems to have helped; others are
getting close to qualifying themselves as similar content-less trolls.
The latest news about rewarding land-bankers instead of builing homes,
and of selling state houses at less than GV are both subjects which
should be causing us to think about alternatives. One of the
candidates for Auckland mayor (Crone?) suggested that those
land-banking should be levied with higher rates - that suggestion
seems to have dropped out of sight, but if a competitive advantage is
given through zoning, it is fair to expect that it will be used; if it
is not, I see no reason why the land should not attract rates based on
the developement that should have happened. That would be a fair
market reaction to favoured treatment by government / council, but it
seems the government is not even listening to their own people.

Poor bloody Rich. Incapable of seeing his faults in himself he's forced
to complain of them in others. Typical of him and his ever more useless
and comprehension-less Labour/Green loons. Funny how you continue to
make contentless posts while complaining that others do when in your
case it's only an attempt to cover up the failure of the marxist goons
in Labour/Green failing to address the problems you and they blame on
National. Unlike you I've pointed out to you that National are far from
as pure as you (by your own posts) believe Labour/Green are. So if
you're realy interested in finding a troll just go look in your nearest
mirror. That is if you have the balls to own a mirror.

Pooh

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On 17/08/2016 4:48 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 12:47:41 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Wednesday, 17 August 2016 07:42:22 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

http://www.metromag.co.nz/current-affairs/a-government-on-the-ropes/

Denial, stonewalling, and yes lying - goodbye National.

Dickbot singing the same tune for what, 9 years now?

Dream on Dickbot. An opinion from some rag ain't going to end your nightmare. The fact is, house prices rose faster under Labour and Labour have yet to come up with a solution that is feasible.

tht may have been true at one time, but I don't believe it has been
over the period since 2008.

For a different view of house prices, look at this: http://www.wsj.com/articles/new-zealand-hangs-welcome-sign-for-foreign-investors-1471339801

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of Angry little Andy and his mob, Key and co will continue to sleepwalk to victory. That's what you get due to the lack of credible opposition.

Given the rank hopeless incompetence of "Double Dipton" Blinglish,
Shon-key and the rest of the Nasty Nat mob, Labour/Green will
continue to work hard towards victory in 2017. That's what you get due
to the lack of credible government.

Yup and angry little Andy will still be leading the increasingly useless opposition in 2017. Why? Because he and the other marxists are to bloody
stupid to understand their brand of dirty politics is way past it's use
by date Rich.

Pooh

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