Crash wrote:

Interesting to see this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79919278/budget-2016-hikes-to-health-education-expected-as-tax-cuts-put-on-hold

While I have long thought that there is no real appetite for tax cuts,
it is good to see that National are planning on other spending rather
than tax cuts in the next year or two at least. Sanity has prevailed.

I disagree. There should be massive tax cuts as they look to make the tax system fairer (i..e. flatter).

That's what you get when you have a leftist government.

Note that a 'tax cut' is not necessarily what it seems because of
'bracket creep' where a taxpayer's income rises into the next bracket
and the long-standing disadvantage where taxpayers who achieve
increased income also achieve a disproportionately higher increase in
income tax.

Is it possible to address 'bracket creep' without using tax cuts?

Index the brackets to the wage inflation index.

--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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Interesting to see this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79919278/budget-2016-hikes-to-health-education-expected-as-tax-cuts-put-on-hold

While I have long thought that there is no real appetite for tax cuts,
it is good to see that National are planning on other spending rather
than tax cuts in the next year or two at least. Sanity has prevailed.

Note that a 'tax cut' is not necessarily what it seems because of
'bracket creep' where a taxpayer's income rises into the next bracket
and the long-standing disadvantage where taxpayers who achieve
increased income also achieve a disproportionately higher increase in
income tax.

Is it possible to address 'bracket creep' without using tax cuts?


--
Crash McBash

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On 2016-05-13, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Interesting to see this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79919278/budget-2016-hikes-to-health-education-expected-as-tax-cuts-put-on-hold

While I have long thought that there is no real appetite for tax cuts,
it is good to see that National are planning on other spending rather
than tax cuts in the next year or two at least. Sanity has prevailed.

I disagree. There should be massive tax cuts as they look to make the tax system fairer (i..e. flatter).

The question of a fair tax system is based only on ones point of view, or perhaps the majorities point of view.

The same goes for a fair wage spread. (What a job is worth)

That's what you get when you have a leftist government.

Note that a 'tax cut' is not necessarily what it seems because of
'bracket creep' where a taxpayer's income rises into the next bracket
and the long-standing disadvantage where taxpayers who achieve
increased income also achieve a disproportionately higher increase in
income tax.

Is it possible to address 'bracket creep' without using tax cuts?

Index the brackets to the wage inflation index.

To date no Government or political party has even talked about this.

Does make logic sense though.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)

Gordon wrote:

On 2016-05-13, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Interesting to see this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79919278/budget-2016-hikes-to-health-education-expected-as-tax-cuts-put-on-hold

While I have long thought that there is no real appetite for tax cuts,
it is good to see that National are planning on other spending rather
than tax cuts in the next year or two at least. Sanity has prevailed.

I disagree. There should be massive tax cuts as they look to make the tax
system fairer (i..e. flatter).

The question of a fair tax system is based only on ones point of view, or perhaps the majorities point of view.

"Fair" means to treat everyone the same, without prejudice. It's not decided
on by a majority vote. The most fair tax system would be one where people
pay the same dollar amount.

The same goes for a fair wage spread. (What a job is worth)

A product or service is worth what the two parties that are trading it have agreed upon.

That's what you get when you have a leftist government.

Note that a 'tax cut' is not necessarily what it seems because of
'bracket creep' where a taxpayer's income rises into the next bracket
and the long-standing disadvantage where taxpayers who achieve
increased income also achieve a disproportionately higher increase in
income tax.

Is it possible to address 'bracket creep' without using tax cuts?

Index the brackets to the wage inflation index.

To date no Government or political party has even talked about this.

Does make logic sense though.

--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)

On Fri, 13 May 2016 21:05:48 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Gordon wrote:

On 2016-05-13, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Interesting to see this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79919278/budget-2016-hikes-to-health-education-expected-as-tax-cuts-put-on-hold

While I have long thought that there is no real appetite for tax cuts, >>>> it is good to see that National are planning on other spending rather
than tax cuts in the next year or two at least. Sanity has prevailed.

I disagree. There should be massive tax cuts as they look to make the tax >>> system fairer (i..e. flatter).

The question of a fair tax system is based only on ones point of view, or
perhaps the majorities point of view.

"Fair" means to treat everyone the same, without prejudice. It's not decided >on by a majority vote. The most fair tax system would be one where people
pay the same dollar amount.

Why? Would it be fair to insist that a real estate agent receives the
same commission for every sale? Or that all vehicles cost the same?
Interest is usually calulated on a percentage basis - should a deposit
of $1 get the same interest as $100,000? Or shoudl tax on the interest
received be the same in dollar terms? Using the same rates is in any
event what we have voted for - but of course as we now know many high
earners have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialble
to others, and some large international companies (like Apple, Google)
have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialable to
small New Zealand companies.

The same goes for a fair wage spread. (What a job is worth)

A product or service is worth what the two parties that are trading it have >agreed upon.

That's what you get when you have a leftist government.

Note that a 'tax cut' is not necessarily what it seems because of
'bracket creep' where a taxpayer's income rises into the next bracket
and the long-standing disadvantage where taxpayers who achieve
increased income also achieve a disproportionately higher increase in
income tax.

Is it possible to address 'bracket creep' without using tax cuts?

Index the brackets to the wage inflation index.

To date no Government or political party has even talked about this.

Does make logic sense though.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On 13 May 2016 08:37:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:

On 2016-05-13, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Interesting to see this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79919278/budget-2016-hikes-to-health-education-expected-as-tax-cuts-put-on-hold

While I have long thought that there is no real appetite for tax cuts,
it is good to see that National are planning on other spending rather
than tax cuts in the next year or two at least. Sanity has prevailed.

I disagree. There should be massive tax cuts as they look to make the tax
system fairer (i..e. flatter).

The question of a fair tax system is based only on ones point of view, or >perhaps the majorities point of view.

The same goes for a fair wage spread. (What a job is worth)

That's what you get when you have a leftist government.

Note that a 'tax cut' is not necessarily what it seems because of
'bracket creep' where a taxpayer's income rises into the next bracket
and the long-standing disadvantage where taxpayers who achieve
increased income also achieve a disproportionately higher increase in
income tax.

Is it possible to address 'bracket creep' without using tax cuts?

Index the brackets to the wage inflation index.

To date no Government or political party has even talked about this.

Yes, National made a great fuss about indexing limits for different
tax rates, but they don't seem to be talking abut that now.

Does make logic sense though.

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On Friday, 13 May 2016 22:33:47 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2016 21:05:48 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Gordon wrote:

On 2016-05-13, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Interesting to see this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79919278/budget-2016-hikes-to-health-education-expected-as-tax-cuts-put-on-hold

While I have long thought that there is no real appetite for tax cuts, >>>> it is good to see that National are planning on other spending rather >>>> than tax cuts in the next year or two at least. Sanity has prevailed. >>>

I disagree. There should be massive tax cuts as they look to make the tax >>> system fairer (i..e. flatter).

The question of a fair tax system is based only on ones point of view, or >> perhaps the majorities point of view.

"Fair" means to treat everyone the same, without prejudice. It's not decided >on by a majority vote. The most fair tax system would be one where people >pay the same dollar amount.

Why? Would it be fair to insist that a real estate agent receives the
same commission for every sale?

They do receive the same commission *rate* for every sale. Exactly what fair minded people would exist for tax - a flat rate.

Dumbarse.

Or that all vehicles cost the same?
Interest is usually calulated on a percentage basis - should a deposit
of $1 get the same interest as $100,000? Or shoudl tax on the interest received be the same in dollar terms? Using the same rates is in any
event what we have voted for - but of course as we now know many high
earners have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialble
to others, and some large international companies (like Apple, Google)
have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialable to
small New Zealand companies.

The same goes for a fair wage spread. (What a job is worth)

A product or service is worth what the two parties that are trading it have >agreed upon.

That's what you get when you have a leftist government.

Note that a 'tax cut' is not necessarily what it seems because of
'bracket creep' where a taxpayer's income rises into the next bracket >>>> and the long-standing disadvantage where taxpayers who achieve
increased income also achieve a disproportionately higher increase in >>>> income tax.

Is it possible to address 'bracket creep' without using tax cuts?

Index the brackets to the wage inflation index.

To date no Government or political party has even talked about this.

Does make logic sense though.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)

On Fri, 13 May 2016 14:00:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 13 May 2016 22:33:47 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2016 21:05:48 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Gordon wrote:

On 2016-05-13, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Interesting to see this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79919278/budget-2016-hikes-to-health-education-expected-as-tax-cuts-put-on-hold

While I have long thought that there is no real appetite for tax cuts, >> >>>> it is good to see that National are planning on other spending rather >> >>>> than tax cuts in the next year or two at least. Sanity has prevailed. >> >>>

I disagree. There should be massive tax cuts as they look to make the tax
system fairer (i..e. flatter).

The question of a fair tax system is based only on ones point of view, or >> >> perhaps the majorities point of view.

"Fair" means to treat everyone the same, without prejudice. It's not decided
on by a majority vote. The most fair tax system would be one where people >> >pay the same dollar amount.

Why? Would it be fair to insist that a real estate agent receives the
same commission for every sale?

They do receive the same commission *rate* for every sale. Exactly what fair minded people would exist for tax - a flat rate.

Except Allistar said "The most fair tax system would be one where
people pay the same dollar amount."

As far as real estate agents are concerned, there are of course a
range of rates for different companies, but most charge graduated
rates that are higher for the first tranche of sale price achieved,
and reduce for amounts over certain limits - a bit like graduated tax
rates, really.

Dumbarse.

Allistar is entitled to his views without personal abuse from you
JohnO.

Or that all vehicles cost the same?
Interest is usually calulated on a percentage basis - should a deposit
of $1 get the same interest as $100,000? Or shoudl tax on the interest
received be the same in dollar terms? Using the same rates is in any
event what we have voted for - but of course as we now know many high
earners have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialble
to others, and some large international companies (like Apple, Google)
have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialable to
small New Zealand companies.

The same goes for a fair wage spread. (What a job is worth)

A product or service is worth what the two parties that are trading it have >> >agreed upon.

That's what you get when you have a leftist government.

Note that a 'tax cut' is not necessarily what it seems because of
'bracket creep' where a taxpayer's income rises into the next bracket >> >>>> and the long-standing disadvantage where taxpayers who achieve
increased income also achieve a disproportionately higher increase in >> >>>> income tax.

Is it possible to address 'bracket creep' without using tax cuts?

Index the brackets to the wage inflation index.

To date no Government or political party has even talked about this.

Does make logic sense though.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 10:37:32 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2016 14:00:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 13 May 2016 22:33:47 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2016 21:05:48 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Gordon wrote:

On 2016-05-13, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Interesting to see this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79919278/budget-2016-hikes-to-health-education-expected-as-tax-cuts-put-on-hold

While I have long thought that there is no real appetite for tax

cuts,

it is good to see that National are planning on other spending rather >> >>>> than tax cuts in the next year or two at least. Sanity has

prevailed.

I disagree. There should be massive tax cuts as they look to make the

tax

system fairer (i..e. flatter).

The question of a fair tax system is based only on ones point of view,

or

perhaps the majorities point of view.

"Fair" means to treat everyone the same, without prejudice. It's not

decided

on by a majority vote. The most fair tax system would be one where people >> >pay the same dollar amount.

Why? Would it be fair to insist that a real estate agent receives the
same commission for every sale?

They do receive the same commission *rate* for every sale. Exactly what fair

minded people would exist for tax - a flat rate.

Except Allistar said "The most fair tax system would be one where
people pay the same dollar amount."

As far as real estate agents are concerned, there are of course a
range of rates for different companies, but most charge graduated
rates that are higher for the first tranche of sale price achieved,
and reduce for amounts over certain limits - a bit like graduated tax
rates, really.

Dumbarse.

Allistar is entitled to his views without personal abuse from you
JohnO.

Indeed. That's why I was talking to you, Dumbarse.

Or that all vehicles cost the same?
Interest is usually calulated on a percentage basis - should a deposit
of $1 get the same interest as $100,000? Or shoudl tax on the interest
received be the same in dollar terms? Using the same rates is in any
event what we have voted for - but of course as we now know many high
earners have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialble
to others, and some large international companies (like Apple, Google)
have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialable to
small New Zealand companies.

The same goes for a fair wage spread. (What a job is worth)

A product or service is worth what the two parties that are trading it

have

agreed upon.

That's what you get when you have a leftist government.

Note that a 'tax cut' is not necessarily what it seems because of
'bracket creep' where a taxpayer's income rises into the next bracket >> >>>> and the long-standing disadvantage where taxpayers who achieve
increased income also achieve a disproportionately higher increase in >> >>>> income tax.

Is it possible to address 'bracket creep' without using tax cuts?

Index the brackets to the wage inflation index.

To date no Government or political party has even talked about this.

Does make logic sense though.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)

On Fri, 13 May 2016 16:07:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 10:37:32 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2016 14:00:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 13 May 2016 22:33:47 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2016 21:05:48 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Gordon wrote:

On 2016-05-13, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Interesting to see this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79919278/budget-2016-hikes-to-health-education-expected-as-tax-cuts-put-on-hold

While I have long thought that there is no real appetite for tax cuts,
it is good to see that National are planning on other spending rather
than tax cuts in the next year or two at least. Sanity has prevailed.

I disagree. There should be massive tax cuts as they look to make the

tax

system fairer (i..e. flatter).

The question of a fair tax system is based only on ones point of view,

or

perhaps the majorities point of view.

"Fair" means to treat everyone the same, without prejudice. It's not decided
on by a majority vote. The most fair tax system would be one where people
pay the same dollar amount.

Why? Would it be fair to insist that a real estate agent receives the
same commission for every sale?

They do receive the same commission *rate* for every sale. Exactly what fair minded people would exist for tax - a flat rate.

Except Allistar said "The most fair tax system would be one where
people pay the same dollar amount."

As far as real estate agents are concerned, there are of course a
range of rates for different companies, but most charge graduated
rates that are higher for the first tranche of sale price achieved,
and reduce for amounts over certain limits - a bit like graduated tax
rates, really.

Dumbarse.

Allistar is entitled to his views without personal abuse from you
JohnO.

Indeed. That's why I was talking to you, Dumbarse.

The refuge of the right when they are losing - personal abuse,
distraction, and as a last resort run away. We saw that with Key - a
scripted rant that avoided the issues, followed by a staged eviction
from the House to avoid any further enbarrasment. Posters that
consistently act as you are called trolls, JohnO - may you and troll
Pooh enjoy your short time on Planet Key . . .

Or that all vehicles cost the same?
Interest is usually calulated on a percentage basis - should a deposit
of $1 get the same interest as $100,000? Or shoudl tax on the interest
received be the same in dollar terms? Using the same rates is in any
event what we have voted for - but of course as we now know many high
earners have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialble
to others, and some large international companies (like Apple, Google)
have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialable to
small New Zealand companies.

The same goes for a fair wage spread. (What a job is worth)

A product or service is worth what the two parties that are trading it have
agreed upon.

That's what you get when you have a leftist government.

Note that a 'tax cut' is not necessarily what it seems because of
'bracket creep' where a taxpayer's income rises into the next bracket
and the long-standing disadvantage where taxpayers who achieve
increased income also achieve a disproportionately higher increase in
income tax.

Is it possible to address 'bracket creep' without using tax cuts?

Index the brackets to the wage inflation index.

To date no Government or political party has even talked about this. >> >> >>
Does make logic sense though.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: Agency HUB, Dunedin - New Zealand | Fido<>Usenet Gateway (3:770/3)

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 15:40:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2016 16:07:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 10:37:32 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2016 14:00:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 13 May 2016 22:33:47 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2016 21:05:48 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Gordon wrote:

On 2016-05-13, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Interesting to see this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79919278/budget-2016-hikes-to-health-education-expected-as-tax-cuts-put-on-hold

While I have long thought that there is no real appetite for tax

cuts,

it is good to see that National are planning on other spending

rather

than tax cuts in the next year or two at least. Sanity has

prevailed.

I disagree. There should be massive tax cuts as they look to make

the tax

system fairer (i..e. flatter).

The question of a fair tax system is based only on ones point of

view, or

perhaps the majorities point of view.

"Fair" means to treat everyone the same, without prejudice. It's not

decided

on by a majority vote. The most fair tax system would be one where

people

pay the same dollar amount.

Why? Would it be fair to insist that a real estate agent receives the >> >> same commission for every sale?

They do receive the same commission *rate* for every sale. Exactly what

fair minded people would exist for tax - a flat rate.

Except Allistar said "The most fair tax system would be one where
people pay the same dollar amount."

As far as real estate agents are concerned, there are of course a
range of rates for different companies, but most charge graduated
rates that are higher for the first tranche of sale price achieved,
and reduce for amounts over certain limits - a bit like graduated tax
rates, really.

Dumbarse.

Allistar is entitled to his views without personal abuse from you
JohnO.

Indeed. That's why I was talking to you, Dumbarse.

The refuge of the right when they are losing - personal abuse,

ROTFLMAO @ Dickbot. He's been telling us the right are losing since 2007 and he
gets more wrong every year!

distraction, and as a last resort run away. We saw that with Key - a scripted rant that avoided the issues, followed by a staged eviction
from the House to avoid any further enbarrasment. Posters that
consistently act as you are called trolls, JohnO - may you and troll

Whatever Dickbot. You parrot the left line year after year and are still a loser.

Pooh enjoy your short time on Planet Key . . .

Or that all vehicles cost the same?
Interest is usually calulated on a percentage basis - should a deposit >> >> of $1 get the same interest as $100,000? Or shoudl tax on the interest >> >> received be the same in dollar terms? Using the same rates is in any
event what we have voted for - but of course as we now know many high >> >> earners have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialble >> >> to others, and some large international companies (like Apple, Google) >> >> have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialable to
small New Zealand companies.

The same goes for a fair wage spread. (What a job is worth)

A product or service is worth what the two parties that are trading it

have

agreed upon.

That's what you get when you have a leftist government.

Note that a 'tax cut' is not necessarily what it seems because of >> >> >>>> 'bracket creep' where a taxpayer's income rises into the next

bracket

and the long-standing disadvantage where taxpayers who achieve
increased income also achieve a disproportionately higher increase

in

income tax.

Is it possible to address 'bracket creep' without using tax cuts? >> >> >>>

Index the brackets to the wage inflation index.

To date no Government or political party has even talked about this. >> >> >>
Does make logic sense though.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:j47djbpsll6buskoma1akbp9lqavmgu93l@4ax.com...

On Fri, 13 May 2016 16:07:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 10:37:32 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2016 14:00:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 13 May 2016 22:33:47 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2016 21:05:48 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Gordon wrote:

On 2016-05-13, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Interesting to see this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79919278/budget-2016-hikes-to-health-education-expected-as-tax-cuts-put-on-hold

While I have long thought that there is no real appetite for tax >>> >> >>>> cuts,
it is good to see that National are planning on other spending
rather
than tax cuts in the next year or two at least. Sanity has
prevailed.

I disagree. There should be massive tax cuts as they look to make >>> >> >>> the tax
system fairer (i..e. flatter).

The question of a fair tax system is based only on ones point of
view, or
perhaps the majorities point of view.

"Fair" means to treat everyone the same, without prejudice. It's not >>> >> >decided
on by a majority vote. The most fair tax system would be one where
people
pay the same dollar amount.

Why? Would it be fair to insist that a real estate agent receives the >>> >> same commission for every sale?

They do receive the same commission *rate* for every sale. Exactly what >>> >fair minded people would exist for tax - a flat rate.

Except Allistar said "The most fair tax system would be one where
people pay the same dollar amount."

As far as real estate agents are concerned, there are of course a
range of rates for different companies, but most charge graduated
rates that are higher for the first tranche of sale price achieved,
and reduce for amounts over certain limits - a bit like graduated tax
rates, really.

Dumbarse.

Allistar is entitled to his views without personal abuse from you
JohnO.

Indeed. That's why I was talking to you, Dumbarse.

The refuge of the right when they are losing - personal abuse,
distraction, and as a last resort run away. We saw that with Key - a scripted rant that avoided the issues, followed by a staged eviction
from the House to avoid any further enbarrasment. Posters that
consistently act as you are called trolls, JohnO - may you and troll
Pooh enjoy your short time on Planet Key . . .

The only trolling bastard in this ng is you Rich. Rather than tell everyone else how to behave it might be an idea if you practiced what you preached.
but then like most ignorant and obnoxious marxis (socialists in RichTrolls newspeak dictionary) muppets you are a practicing hypocrite who can see
nothing wrong with the Labour party and others while seeing his own warts
and boils on others. I guess JohnO like me WILL enjoy our lives while
watching a dumbarse like you Rich continue to pumb new depths of both
stupidity and insanity like your ever failing Labour party and it's union
goon leader.

Or that all vehicles cost the same?
Interest is usually calulated on a percentage basis - should a
deposit
of $1 get the same interest as $100,000? Or shoudl tax on the
interest
received be the same in dollar terms? Using the same rates is in any
event what we have voted for - but of course as we now know many high >>> >> earners have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not
avaialble
to others, and some large international companies (like Apple,
Google)
have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialable to
small New Zealand companies.

The same goes for a fair wage spread. (What a job is worth)

A product or service is worth what the two parties that are trading
it have
agreed upon.

That's what you get when you have a leftist government.

Note that a 'tax cut' is not necessarily what it seems because
of
'bracket creep' where a taxpayer's income rises into the next
bracket
and the long-standing disadvantage where taxpayers who achieve
increased income also achieve a disproportionately higher
increase in
income tax.

Is it possible to address 'bracket creep' without using tax
cuts?

Index the brackets to the wage inflation index.

To date no Government or political party has even talked about
this.

Does make logic sense though.

Hypocrisy: Only the left do it better than others.

Pooh

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"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:82bbjb1750ji7n0pfbr573pat7o50vo70i@4ax.com...

On 13 May 2016 08:37:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@clear.net.nz> wrote:

On 2016-05-13, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Interesting to see this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79919278/budget-2016-hikes-to-health-education-expected-as-tax-cuts-put-on-hold

While I have long thought that there is no real appetite for tax cuts, >>>> it is good to see that National are planning on other spending rather
than tax cuts in the next year or two at least. Sanity has prevailed.

I disagree. There should be massive tax cuts as they look to make the
tax
system fairer (i..e. flatter).

The question of a fair tax system is based only on ones point of view, or >>perhaps the majorities point of view.

The same goes for a fair wage spread. (What a job is worth)

That's what you get when you have a leftist government.

Note that a 'tax cut' is not necessarily what it seems because of
'bracket creep' where a taxpayer's income rises into the next bracket
and the long-standing disadvantage where taxpayers who achieve
increased income also achieve a disproportionately higher increase in
income tax.

Is it possible to address 'bracket creep' without using tax cuts?

Index the brackets to the wage inflation index.

To date no Government or political party has even talked about this.

Yes, National made a great fuss about indexing limits for different
tax rates, but they don't seem to be talking abut that now.

Only in your tiny demented mind RichTroll :)

Does make logic sense though.

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On 5/14/2016 4:14 PM, JohnO wrote:

On Saturday, 14 May 2016 15:40:54 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

The refuge of the right when they are losing - personal abuse,

ROTFLMAO @ Dickbot. He's been telling us the right are losing since 2007 and

he gets more wrong every year!

And has any-one asked the dipshit as to the latest poll results?

distraction, and as a last resort run away. We saw that with Key - a
scripted rant that avoided the issues, followed by a staged eviction
from the House to avoid any further enbarrasment. Posters that
consistently act as you are called trolls, JohnO - may you and troll

Whatever Dickbot. You parrot the left line year after year and are still a

loser.

The Speaker felt so sorry for the greens that he temporarily rid them
of their chief tormentor

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Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2016 21:05:48 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Gordon wrote:

On 2016-05-13, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Interesting to see this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79919278/budget-2016-hikes-to-health-education-expected-as-tax-cuts-put-on-hold

While I have long thought that there is no real appetite for tax cuts, >>>>> it is good to see that National are planning on other spending rather >>>>> than tax cuts in the next year or two at least. Sanity has prevailed. >>>>

I disagree. There should be massive tax cuts as they look to make the
tax system fairer (i..e. flatter).

The question of a fair tax system is based only on ones point of view,
or perhaps the majorities point of view.

"Fair" means to treat everyone the same, without prejudice. It's not >>decided on by a majority vote. The most fair tax system would be one where >>people pay the same dollar amount.

Why? Would it be fair to insist that a real estate agent receives the
same commission for every sale? Or that all vehicles cost the same?

We are talking about taxation, not free trade.

Interest is usually calulated on a percentage basis - should a deposit
of $1 get the same interest as $100,000?

We are talking about taxation, not free trade.

Or shoudl tax on the interest
received be the same in dollar terms? Using the same rates is in any
event what we have voted for

The same rates is not what we have. We have progressive rates. That's not
the same at all.

- but of course as we now know many high
earners have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialble
to others, and some large international companies (like Apple, Google)
have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialable to
small New Zealand companies.

Irrelevant to this discussion.

The same goes for a fair wage spread. (What a job is worth)

A product or service is worth what the two parties that are trading it
have agreed upon.

That's what you get when you have a leftist government.

Note that a 'tax cut' is not necessarily what it seems because of
'bracket creep' where a taxpayer's income rises into the next bracket >>>>> and the long-standing disadvantage where taxpayers who achieve
increased income also achieve a disproportionately higher increase in >>>>> income tax.

Is it possible to address 'bracket creep' without using tax cuts?

Index the brackets to the wage inflation index.

To date no Government or political party has even talked about this.

Does make logic sense though.

--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2016 14:00:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:

On Friday, 13 May 2016 22:33:47 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Fri, 13 May 2016 21:05:48 +1200, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com>
wrote:

Gordon wrote:

On 2016-05-13, Allistar <me@hiddenaddress.com> wrote:

Crash wrote:

Interesting to see this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/79919278/budget-2016-hikes-to-health-education-expected-as-tax-cuts-put-on-hold

While I have long thought that there is no real appetite for tax
cuts, it is good to see that National are planning on other
spending rather
than tax cuts in the next year or two at least. Sanity has
prevailed.

I disagree. There should be massive tax cuts as they look to make
the tax system fairer (i..e. flatter).

The question of a fair tax system is based only on ones point of
view, or perhaps the majorities point of view.

"Fair" means to treat everyone the same, without prejudice. It's not
decided on by a majority vote. The most fair tax system would be one
where people pay the same dollar amount.

Why? Would it be fair to insist that a real estate agent receives the
same commission for every sale?

They do receive the same commission *rate* for every sale. Exactly what >>fair minded people would exist for tax - a flat rate.

Except Allistar said "The most fair tax system would be one where
people pay the same dollar amount."

Not the words above: "tax system". Why then have you starting talking about commissions paid to real estate agents? It's an irrelevance.

As far as real estate agents are concerned, there are of course a
range of rates for different companies, but most charge graduated
rates that are higher for the first tranche of sale price achieved,
and reduce for amounts over certain limits - a bit like graduated tax
rates, really.

Dumbarse.

Allistar is entitled to his views without personal abuse from you
JohnO.

Oh dear. You really do stoop to low levels.

Or that all vehicles cost the same?
Interest is usually calulated on a percentage basis - should a deposit
of $1 get the same interest as $100,000? Or shoudl tax on the interest
received be the same in dollar terms? Using the same rates is in any
event what we have voted for - but of course as we now know many high
earners have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialble
to others, and some large international companies (like Apple, Google)
have opportunities for tax minimisation that are not avaialable to
small New Zealand companies.

The same goes for a fair wage spread. (What a job is worth)

A product or service is worth what the two parties that are trading it
have agreed upon.

That's what you get when you have a leftist government.

Note that a 'tax cut' is not necessarily what it seems because of
'bracket creep' where a taxpayer's income rises into the next
bracket and the long-standing disadvantage where taxpayers who
achieve increased income also achieve a disproportionately higher
increase in income tax.

Is it possible to address 'bracket creep' without using tax cuts?

Index the brackets to the wage inflation index.

To date no Government or political party has even talked about this.

Does make logic sense though.

--
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."
creates the incentive to minimize your abilities and maximize your needs.

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