Another good article from Rod Oram: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-pays
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will
be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China.
At
a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe
disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding
themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker
in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in
the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we
achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it
appears our current government does not.
On Sunday, 7 February 2016 23:42:21 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-pays
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will
be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China.
Oh really? Where did they say that? I call bullshit on this one.
At
a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe
disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding
themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker
in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in
the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we
achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it
appears our current government does not.
Another good article from Rod Oram: >http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" (ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes.
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will
be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At
a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe
disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding
themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker
in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in
the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we
achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it
appears our current government does not.
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI didn't you very silly man. I said it had not - please continue to take your lessons for those folks for whom English is a second language.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" >>(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes.
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will
be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At
a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe
disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker
in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in
the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we
achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it >>>appears our current government does not.
The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning and >>Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get their free >>bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt the >>lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect
could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery.
Was your life disrupted by any protestors?No but many others were when idiots sat on motorway ramps
The last time I wasNeither are acceptable and your point is?
disrupted by protestors was the truck owners protest (many of the
drivers were paid to participate) against increases in road user
charges under Labour - organised by an ex-National MP. they clogged
roads to a far greater extent than teh TPP protestors in Auckland
recently. (Strangely, the truck owners did not protest when National >incresaed charges . . .)
You used to make more logical and rational arguments, Tony - is theAh well there is the rub. Once more you make disparaging personal remarks because you cannot articulate an argument. And you really cannot on this and most of your posts.
heat getting to you?
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" >(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes.
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will
be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At
a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe
disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker
in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in
the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we
achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it
appears our current government does not.
The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning and >Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get their free >bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt the >lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Oh and by the way - your failure to acknowledge those many occasions when you are caught in a lie is noted; and your 'seething hatred' of people who are not locked into political dogma of any sort is frightening to behold because if anybody like you gets into power in this country we will need to fimd a remedy! TonyOn Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI didn't you very silly man. I said it had not - please continue to take your >lessons for those folks for whom English is a second language.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" >>>(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes.
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will >>>>be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At >>>>a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe
disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>>>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker >>>>in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in
the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we
achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it >>>>appears our current government does not.
The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning and >>>Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get their >>>free
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt the >>>lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect
could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery.
Was your life disrupted by any protestors?No but many others were when idiots sat on motorway ramps
The last time I wasNeither are acceptable and your point is?
disrupted by protestors was the truck owners protest (many of the
drivers were paid to participate) against increases in road user
charges under Labour - organised by an ex-National MP. they clogged
roads to a far greater extent than teh TPP protestors in Auckland
recently. (Strangely, the truck owners did not protest when National >>incresaed charges . . .)
Ah well there is the rub. Once more you make disparaging personal remarks >because you cannot articulate an argument. And you really cannot on this and >most of your posts.
You used to make more logical and rational arguments, Tony - is the
heat getting to you?
1. You are derisive of anybody who disagrees with you.
2. You cannot defend a Labour party that has (regretably) become incompetent. >3. You blame others for changing the subject when that is one of your on;y >argumentative ploys.
4. You accuse people of political bias (usually wrong, and always wrong in my >case) whilst you continue to post political bias - how sad!
5. My logical arguments have not changed, only your defensive reaction to them.
If you detect a small (but easily forgotten by me) aggression here it is >because I am saddeneed that you cannot use your intellect to see what is >really
happening in this country which is for almost everybody here but you a very >simple truth - the party that used to stand up for the 'working man' is a >shadow of its former self and that is to the detrement of us all - and yet you >continue to deliver diatribes against those that see that pathetically obvious >truth.
Sad, very sad.
Tony
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI didn't you very silly man. I said it had not - please continue to take your >lessons for those folks for whom English is a second language.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" >>>(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes.
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will >>>>be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At >>>>a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe
disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>>>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker >>>>in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in
the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we
achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it >>>>appears our current government does not.
The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning and >>>Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get their free
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt the >>>lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect
could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery.
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 22:19:44 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netNo that is your inability to understand the English language, read it again and then learn, mark and inwardly digest!
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI didn't you very silly man. I said it had not - please continue to take your >>lessons for those folks for whom English is a second language.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" >>>>(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes. >>>>The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning and >>>>Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get their >>>>free
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will >>>>>be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At >>>>>a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe >>>>>disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>>>>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker >>>>>in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in >>>>>the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we >>>>>achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it >>>>>appears our current government does not.
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt the >>>>lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect >>>could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery.
So you admit that your comment was essentially meaningless spin, with >negative connotations about those protesting against the agreement
that are essentially a lie.
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.No lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? That would of course be a first!
Another good article from Rod Oram: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-pays
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will
be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At
a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe
disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding
themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker
in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in
the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we
achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it
appears our current government does not.
On 7/02/2016 11:42 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-pays
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will
be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At
a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe
disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding
themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker
in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in
the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we
achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it
appears our current government does not.
Very unusual to see you out of step with the Labour party on TPP. Mind
you, Jacinda Adern and Andrew Little are with you here so I suppose you
have to take one side of the big debater inside the party.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 22:19:44 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netNo that is your inability to understand the English language, read it again and
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:I didn't you very silly man. I said it had not - please continue to take your
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>>>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" >>>>>(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes. >>>>>The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning and >>>>>Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get their >>>>>free
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will >>>>>>be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At >>>>>>a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe >>>>>>disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>>>>>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker >>>>>>in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in >>>>>>the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we >>>>>>achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it >>>>>>appears our current government does not.
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt the >>>>>lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect >>>>could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery.
lessons for those folks for whom English is a second language.
So you admit that your comment was essentially meaningless spin, with >>negative connotations about those protesting against the agreement
that are essentially a lie.
then learn, mark and inwardly digest!
No lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? That >would of course be a first!
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty to >understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 22:19:44 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI didn't you very silly man. I said it had not - please continue to take >>your
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" >>>>(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes. >>>>The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning >>>>and
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will >>>>>be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At >>>>>a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe >>>>>disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>>>>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker >>>>>in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in >>>>>the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we >>>>>achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it >>>>>appears our current government does not.
Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get their >>>>free
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt >>>>the
lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect >>>could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery.
lessons for those folks for whom English is a second language.
So you admit that your comment was essentially meaningless spin, with negative connotations about those protesting against the agreement
that are essentially a lie.
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 23:47:11 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netand
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 22:19:44 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>>>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" >>>>>(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes. >>>>>The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will >>>>>>be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At >>>>>>a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe >>>>>>disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>>>>>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker >>>>>>in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in >>>>>>the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we >>>>>>achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it >>>>>>appears our current government does not.
theMaori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get their >>>>>free
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt
yourI didn't you very silly man. I said it had not - please continue to takelives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect >>>>could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery.
andNo that is your inability to understand the English language, read it againlessons for those folks for whom English is a second language.
So you admit that your comment was essentially meaningless spin, with >>negative connotations about those protesting against the agreement
that are essentially a lie.
then learn, mark and inwardly digest!
No lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? That >would of course be a first!
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had)
it
would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your
decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see
what you were doing.
Happy now?
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty to >understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 23:47:11 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI didn't lie, but you said I did (look 8 lines up). I would like to assume that you have a problem concentrating together with an extremely poor memory but actually deep down I know that you do it deliberately. It is you that lies, again and again - you will say anything in your desperation to make a trivial point.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 22:19:44 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netNo that is your inability to understand the English language, read it again >>and
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:I didn't you very silly man. I said it had not - please continue to take >>>>your
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>>>>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" >>>>>>(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes. >>>>>>The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning >>>>>>and
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will >>>>>>>be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At >>>>>>>a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe >>>>>>>disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>>>>>>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker >>>>>>>in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in >>>>>>>the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we >>>>>>>achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it >>>>>>>appears our current government does not.
Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get their >>>>>>free
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt >>>>>>the
lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect >>>>>could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery.
lessons for those folks for whom English is a second language.
So you admit that your comment was essentially meaningless spin, with >>>negative connotations about those protesting against the agreement
that are essentially a lie.
then learn, mark and inwardly digest!
No lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? That >>would of course be a first!
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had) it
would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your
decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see
what you were doing.
Happy now?
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty to >>understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:u91mbbpe9h2l46af9d5m8aqu9pgl68v8ho@4ax.com...
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 23:47:11 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 22:19:44 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:No that is your inability to understand the English language, read it >>>again and
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>>dot nz> wrote:lessons for those folks for whom English is a second language.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>>>>>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" >>>>>>>(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes. >>>>>>>The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning >>>>>>>and
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will >>>>>>>>be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. >>>>>>>>At
a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe >>>>>>>>disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>>>>>>>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA. >>>>>>>>
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest >>>>>>>>broker
in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in >>>>>>>>the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we >>>>>>>>achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it >>>>>>>>appears our current government does not.
Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get >>>>>>>their
free
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt >>>>>>>the
lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect >>>>>>could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery. >>>>>I didn't you very silly man. I said it had not - please continue to take >>>>>your
So you admit that your comment was essentially meaningless spin, with >>>>negative connotations about those protesting against the agreement
that are essentially a lie.
then learn, mark and inwardly digest!
No lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? That >>>would of course be a first!
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had) it
would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your
decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see
what you were doing.
BULLSHIT! Tony or for that matter most posters are nowhere near as deceptive >as you Rich! Apart from that your lack of comprehension/brainwashing with >marxist dogma prevents you from realising this. Why you persist in the lie >that everyone except you lies is a sign of what a sad little trolling twit >you are Rich.
Happy now?
Why should Tony be happy with ANY of your lies Rich?
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty to >>>understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 23:47:11 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 22:19:44 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netNo that is your inability to understand the English language, read it
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:I didn't you very silly man. I said it had not - please continue to take >>>>your
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>>>>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" >>>>>>(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes. >>>>>>The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning >>>>>>and
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will >>>>>>>be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. >>>>>>>At
a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe >>>>>>>disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>>>>>>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest >>>>>>>broker
in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in >>>>>>>the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we >>>>>>>achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it >>>>>>>appears our current government does not.
Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get >>>>>>their
free
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt >>>>>>the
lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect >>>>>could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery.
lessons for those folks for whom English is a second language.
So you admit that your comment was essentially meaningless spin, with >>>negative connotations about those protesting against the agreement
that are essentially a lie.
again and
then learn, mark and inwardly digest!
No lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? That >>would of course be a first!
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had) it
would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your
decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see
what you were doing.
Happy now?
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty to >>understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 22:19:44 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netYour snip of the most recent post by me is noted with a small smile!
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI didn't you very silly man. I said it had not - please continue to take your >>lessons for those folks for whom English is a second language.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" >>>>(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes. >>>>The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning and >>>>Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get their >>>>free
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will >>>>>be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At >>>>>a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe >>>>>disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>>>>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker >>>>>in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in >>>>>the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we >>>>>achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it >>>>>appears our current government does not.
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt the >>>>lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect >>>could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery.
So you admit that your comment was essentially meaningless spin, with >negative connotations about those protesting against the agreement
that are essentially a lie.
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
heat getting to you?Ah well there is the rub. Once more you make disparaging personal remarks because you cannot articulate an argument. And you really cannot on this and most of your posts.
"Pooh" <richlies@hotmail.com> wrote:That is not at all an unusual reaction to the sort of "I don't care about the rights of others" attitude those people have. If they actually understood that they might behave differently but I doubt they have the intelligence.
"Rich80105" <rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>news:u91mbbpe9h2l46af9d5m8aqu9pgl68v8ho@4ax.com...
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 23:47:11 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 22:19:44 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:No that is your inability to understand the English language, read it >>>>again and
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>>>dot nz> wrote:lessons for those folks for whom English is a second language.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>>>>>>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" >>>>>>>>(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes. >>>>>>>>The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning >>>>>>>>and
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will >>>>>>>>>be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. >>>>>>>>>At
a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe >>>>>>>>>disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>>>>>>>>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA. >>>>>>>>>
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest >>>>>>>>>broker
in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in >>>>>>>>>the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we >>>>>>>>>achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it >>>>>>>>>appears our current government does not.
Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get >>>>>>>>their
free
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt >>>>>>>>the
lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect >>>>>>>could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery. >>>>>>I didn't you very silly man. I said it had not - please continue to take >>>>>>your
So you admit that your comment was essentially meaningless spin, with >>>>>negative connotations about those protesting against the agreement >>>>>that are essentially a lie.
then learn, mark and inwardly digest!
No lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? That >>>>would of course be a first!
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had) it
would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your
decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see
what you were doing.
BULLSHIT! Tony or for that matter most posters are nowhere near as deceptive >>as you Rich! Apart from that your lack of comprehension/brainwashing with >>marxist dogma prevents you from realising this. Why you persist in the lie >>that everyone except you lies is a sign of what a sad little trolling twit >>you are Rich.
Happy now?
Why should Tony be happy with ANY of your lies Rich?
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty to >>>>understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
Any reservations I have about the TPPA went out the door when I saw
the great unwashed rent-a-mob last week here in Auckland and what
they got away with..
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram:It appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left"
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-pays
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will
be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At
a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe
disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding
themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker
in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in
the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we
achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it
appears our current government does not.
(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes.
The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning and >> Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get their free
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt the >> lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect
could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery.
Was your life disrupted by any protestors? The last time I was
disrupted by protestors was the truck owners protest (many of the
drivers were paid to participate) against increases in road user
charges under Labour - organised by an ex-National MP. they clogged
roads to a far greater extent than teh TPP protestors in Auckland
recently. (Strangely, the truck owners did not protest when National incresaed charges . . .)
You used to make more logical and rational arguments, Tony - is the
heat getting to you?
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 23:47:11 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI didn't lie, but you said I did (look 8 lines up). I would like to assume that
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 22:19:44 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:No that is your inability to understand the English language, read it again >>>and
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>>dot nz> wrote:lessons for those folks for whom English is a second language.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>>>>>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" >>>>>>>(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes. >>>>>>>The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning >>>>>>>and
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will >>>>>>>>be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At >>>>>>>>a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe >>>>>>>>disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>>>>>>>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA. >>>>>>>>
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker >>>>>>>>in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in >>>>>>>>the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we >>>>>>>>achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it >>>>>>>>appears our current government does not.
Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get their >>>>>>>free
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt >>>>>>>the
lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect >>>>>>could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery. >>>>>I didn't you very silly man. I said it had not - please continue to take >>>>>your
So you admit that your comment was essentially meaningless spin, with >>>>negative connotations about those protesting against the agreement
that are essentially a lie.
then learn, mark and inwardly digest!
No lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? That >>>would of course be a first!
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had) it
would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your >>decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see
what you were doing.
Happy now?
you have a problem concentrating together with an extremely poor memory but >actually deep down I know that you do it deliberately. It is you that lies, >again and again - you will say anything in your desperation to make a trivial >point.
The TTP is as done as it is possible to be done at this point and it is the >will of the people!
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty to >>>understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
Tony
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:49:47 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 23:47:11 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI didn't lie, but you said I did (look 8 lines up). I would like to assume >>that
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 22:19:44 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:No that is your inability to understand the English language, read it >>>>again
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>>>dot nz> wrote:your
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>>>>>>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-paysIt appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far >>>>>>>>left"
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA >>>>>>>>>will
be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. >>>>>>>>>At
a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe >>>>>>>>>disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>>>>>>>>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA. >>>>>>>>>
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest >>>>>>>>>broker
in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in >>>>>>>>>the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we >>>>>>>>>achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it >>>>>>>>>appears our current government does not.
(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes. >>>>>>>>The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped >>>>>>>>spinning
and
Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get >>>>>>>>their
free
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to >>>>>>>>disrupt
the
lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect >>>>>>>could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery. >>>>>>I didn't you very silly man. I said it had not - please continue to >>>>>>take
lessons for those folks for whom English is a second language.
So you admit that your comment was essentially meaningless spin, with >>>>>negative connotations about those protesting against the agreement >>>>>that are essentially a lie.
and
then learn, mark and inwardly digest!
No lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? >>>>That
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
would of course be a first!
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had) it
would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your >>>decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see >>>what you were doing.
Happy now?
you have a problem concentrating together with an extremely poor memory
but
actually deep down I know that you do it deliberately. It is you that
lies,
again and again - you will say anything in your desperation to make a >>trivial
point.
The TTP is as done as it is possible to be done at this point and it is
the
will of the people!
"All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow"- if all your
lying is none, then the sun will still rise, Tony.
You were the one that said The TTP is now public knowledge and the
world has not stopped spinning": - you start with a falsehood (the TPP
is not all public - the text is hundreds of pages long and not even
summaries have been published with even simple anaysis in a form most
people can read. So you start with a falsehood, then follow with
saying that it will not do something that is entirely irrelevant, and
that we are unliekly to affect with any political proposals or
decisions.
If you cannot see that the two statements are entirely analgous, then
you are not trying very hard. I objected to your statement, but you
could not see my problem - a very similar statement fromme brings
outrage from you. Biassed? Of course you are.
Have a nice day, Tony, just watch out for those spin lines; you might
trip.
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty to >>>>understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
Tony
On 10/02/2016 4:38 p.m., Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netIf the TPPA is so bad,and the Labour party is so wonderful, how come the majority are against it (behind closed doors of course) Apart from Jacinde Adern, Andrew Little and a few who blindly lean which ever way the wind blows. Tell us if Clayton Cosgrove, Stuart Nash, Kelvin Davis, David
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram:It appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left"
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-pays
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will
be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China. At >>>> a bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe
disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding
themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA.
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest broker >>>> in international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in
the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we
achieve far more than a country our size should.
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it
appears our current government does not.
(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes.
The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning
and
Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get their >>> free
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt
the
lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect
could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery.
Was your life disrupted by any protestors? The last time I was
disrupted by protestors was the truck owners protest (many of the
drivers were paid to participate) against increases in road user
charges under Labour - organised by an ex-National MP. they clogged
roads to a far greater extent than teh TPP protestors in Auckland
recently. (Strangely, the truck owners did not protest when National
incresaed charges . . .)
You used to make more logical and rational arguments, Tony - is the
heat getting to you?
Shearer, Phil Goff, Damien O'Connor, David Parker and even Annette King
are against TPP (not sure about Parker). It's an honesty test, specially
for you Rich.
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:49:47 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netAt
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 23:47:11 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 22:19:44 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 09 Feb 2016 16:35:19 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>>dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Another good article from Rod Oram: >>>>>>>>http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/76580827/Rod-Oram-TPPA-honesty-pays
From that article:
". . .But our government and business leaders are insisting TPPA will >>>>>>>>be a bonanza, bigger even than our Free Trade Agreement with China.
brokera bare minimum they are setting themselves up for severe >>>>>>>>disappointment and serious loss of credibility. They are blinding >>>>>>>>themselves to the massive work that has yet to be done on TPPA. >>>>>>>>
Worse, they are devaluing New Zealand's reputation as an honest
theirin international negotiations. Yet that is our greatest strength in >>>>>>>>the global system. It means we get taken seriously. It means we >>>>>>>>achieve far more than a country our size should.It appears you will believe anything that someone from the "far left" >>>>>>>(ridiculous of course as is the notion of "far right" in NZ) writes. >>>>>>>The TTP is now public knowledge and the world has not stopped spinning >>>>>>>and
TPPA damages that hard-won record. We will regret it. "
New Zealand used to think that honesty and goof faith mattered - it >>>>>>>>appears our current government does not.
Maori have not been disadvantaged and the idiot protesters can get
againNo that is your inability to understand the English language, read itlessons for those folks for whom English is a second language.free
bikkies and milk from the organisers and look for a new way to disrupt >>>>>>>the
lives of ordinary hard working Kiwis!
Tony
Why you would believe that anagreement that has not yet taken effect >>>>>>could have stopped the world spinning or anyting else is a mystery. >>>>>I didn't you very silly man. I said it had not - please continue to take >>>>>your
So you admit that your comment was essentially meaningless spin, with >>>>negative connotations about those protesting against the agreement >>>>that are essentially a lie.
thatI didn't lie, but you said I did (look 8 lines up). I would like to assumeand
then learn, mark and inwardly digest!
No lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? That >>>would of course be a first!
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had) it
would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your >>decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see >>what you were doing.
Happy now?
trivialyou have a problem concentrating together with an extremely poor memory but >actually deep down I know that you do it deliberately. It is you that lies, >again and again - you will say anything in your desperation to make a
point.
The TTP is as done as it is possible to be done at this point and it is the >will of the people!
"All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow"- if all your
lying is none, then the sun will still rise, Tony.
You were the one that said The TTP is now public knowledge and the
world has not stopped spinning": - you start with a falsehood (the TPP
is not all public - the text is hundreds of pages long and not even
summaries have been published with even simple anaysis in a form most
people can read.
So you start with a falsehood, then follow with
saying that it will not do something that is entirely irrelevant, and
that we are unliekly to affect with any political proposals or
decisions.
If you cannot see that the two statements are entirely analgous, then
you are not trying very hard. I objected to your statement, but you
could not see my problem - a very similar statement fromme brings
outrage from you. Biassed? Of course you are.
Have a nice day, Tony, just watch out for those spin lines; you might
trip.
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty to >>>understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
Tony
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:49:47 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
See https://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz/text released on 26 January.I didn't lie, but you said I did (look 8 lines up). I would like to assume >>thatNo lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? That >>>>would of course be a first!
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had) it
would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your >>>decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see >>>what you were doing.
Happy now?
you have a problem concentrating together with an extremely poor memory but >>actually deep down I know that you do it deliberately. It is you that lies, >>again and again - you will say anything in your desperation to make a trivial >>point.
The TTP is as done as it is possible to be done at this point and it is the >>will of the people!
"All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow"- if all your
lying is none, then the sun will still rise, Tony.
You were the one that said The TTP is now public knowledge and the
world has not stopped spinning": - you start with a falsehood (the TPP
is not all public - the text is hundreds of pages long and not even
summaries have been published with even simple anaysis in a form most
people can read. So you start with a falsehood, then follow with
saying that it will not do something that is entirely irrelevant, and
that we are unliekly to affect with any political proposals or
decisions.
If you cannot see that the two statements are entirely analgous, then
you are not trying very hard. I objected to your statement, but you
could not see my problem - a very similar statement fromme brings
outrage from you. Biassed? Of course you are.
Have a nice day, Tony, just watch out for those spin lines; you might
trip.
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty to >>>>understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
Tony
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:And even now the government is refusing to answer questions about it -
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:49:47 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net<snipped for brevity>
dot nz> wrote:
See https://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz/text released on 26 January.I didn't lie, but you said I did (look 8 lines up). I would like to assume >>>thatNo lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? That >>>>>would of course be a first!
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had) it >>>>would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your >>>>decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see >>>>what you were doing.
Happy now?
you have a problem concentrating together with an extremely poor memory but >>>actually deep down I know that you do it deliberately. It is you that lies, >>>again and again - you will say anything in your desperation to make a trivial
point.
The TTP is as done as it is possible to be done at this point and it is the >>>will of the people!
"All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow"- if all your
lying is none, then the sun will still rise, Tony.
You were the one that said The TTP is now public knowledge and the
world has not stopped spinning": - you start with a falsehood (the TPP
is not all public - the text is hundreds of pages long and not even >>summaries have been published with even simple anaysis in a form most >>people can read. So you start with a falsehood, then follow with
saying that it will not do something that is entirely irrelevant, and
that we are unliekly to affect with any political proposals or
decisions.
If you cannot see that the two statements are entirely analgous, then
you are not trying very hard. I objected to your statement, but you
could not see my problem - a very similar statement fromme brings
outrage from you. Biassed? Of course you are.
Have a nice day, Tony, just watch out for those spin lines; you might
trip.
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty to >>>>>understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
Tony
Rich I will keep the words nice and short - The TPP document is released in its
entirety (sorry that was a long word!) as I said.
I have not lied.I did not deny that the text of the agreement has now been released -
You have lied again.
Why do you insist on trying to defend your lies and misinformation (look it up >for a short word synonym) the document is released and that is what I said and >you are denying it and that makes you a liar.
You can dress up your lie by suggesting the document has not been turned into >one for dummies but it changes nothing. If you need a summary then you will >have to wait, I didn't need a summary - what does that tell you?
The document was released on 26 January!!!!!!
Now, have you managed to absorb that fact or are you now going to be offensive >again? Or are you going to say I am an internet troll because if you are I >strongly suggest you look up a definition in which I gurantee you will star >with distinction? Oh by the way, nothing in this thread has made me outraged, >you rarely have the ability to do that.
Tony
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 16:14:55 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI can understand all that I have read (quite a lot of it actually), if you can't then I suggest you find someone to explain it to you!
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:And even now the government is refusing to answer questions about it -
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:49:47 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net<snipped for brevity>
dot nz> wrote:
See https://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz/text released on 26 January.I didn't lie, but you said I did (look 8 lines up). I would like to assume >>>>thatNo lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? >>>>>>That
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
would of course be a first!
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had) it >>>>>would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your >>>>>decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see >>>>>what you were doing.
Happy now?
you have a problem concentrating together with an extremely poor memory but >>>>actually deep down I know that you do it deliberately. It is you that lies, >>>>again and again - you will say anything in your desperation to make a >>>>trivial
point.
The TTP is as done as it is possible to be done at this point and it is the >>>>will of the people!
"All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow"- if all your
lying is none, then the sun will still rise, Tony.
You were the one that said The TTP is now public knowledge and the
world has not stopped spinning": - you start with a falsehood (the TPP
is not all public - the text is hundreds of pages long and not even >>>summaries have been published with even simple anaysis in a form most >>>people can read. So you start with a falsehood, then follow with
saying that it will not do something that is entirely irrelevant, and >>>that we are unliekly to affect with any political proposals or
decisions.
If you cannot see that the two statements are entirely analgous, then
you are not trying very hard. I objected to your statement, but you
could not see my problem - a very similar statement fromme brings
outrage from you. Biassed? Of course you are.
Have a nice day, Tony, just watch out for those spin lines; you might >>>trip.
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty to >>>>>>understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
Tony
Rich I will keep the words nice and short - The TPP document is released in >>its
entirety (sorry that was a long word!) as I said.
the wording is not at all clear in many places . . ..
You wrote "you start with a falsehood (the TPPis not all public"I have not lied.I did not deny that the text of the agreement has now been released -
You have lied again.
Why do you insist on trying to defend your lies and misinformation (look it >>up
for a short word synonym) the document is released and that is what I said >>and
you are denying it and that makes you a liar.
read what I actually wrote.
You can dress up your lie by suggesting the document has not been turned into >>one for dummies but it changes nothing. If you need a summary then you will >>have to wait, I didn't need a summary - what does that tell you?
The document was released on 26 January!!!!!!
Now, have you managed to absorb that fact or are you now going to be >>offensive
again? Or are you going to say I am an internet troll because if you are I >>strongly suggest you look up a definition in which I gurantee you will star >>with distinction? Oh by the way, nothing in this thread has made me outraged, >>you rarely have the ability to do that.
Tony
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:That
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:49:47 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
<snipped for brevity>
No lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence?
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
trivialI didn't lie, but you said I did (look 8 lines up). I would like to assume >>thatwould of course be a first!
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had) it >>>would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your >>>decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see >>>what you were doing.
Happy now?
you have a problem concentrating together with an extremely poor memory but >>actually deep down I know that you do it deliberately. It is you that lies, >>again and again - you will say anything in your desperation to make a
itspoint.
The TTP is as done as it is possible to be done at this point and it is the >>will of the people!
"All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow"- if all your
lying is none, then the sun will still rise, Tony.
You were the one that said The TTP is now public knowledge and the
world has not stopped spinning": - you start with a falsehood (the TPP
is not all public - the text is hundreds of pages long and not even >summaries have been published with even simple anaysis in a form most >people can read. So you start with a falsehood, then follow with
saying that it will not do something that is entirely irrelevant, and
that we are unliekly to affect with any political proposals or
decisions.
If you cannot see that the two statements are entirely analgous, then
you are not trying very hard. I objected to your statement, but you
could not see my problem - a very similar statement fromme brings
outrage from you. Biassed? Of course you are.
Have a nice day, Tony, just watch out for those spin lines; you might
trip.
See https://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz/text released on 26 January.
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty to >>>>understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
Tony
Rich I will keep the words nice and short - The TPP document is released in
entirety (sorry that was a long word!) as I said.up
I have not lied.
You have lied again.
Why do you insist on trying to defend your lies and misinformation (look it
for a short word synonym) the document is released and that is what I saidand
you are denying it and that makes you a liar.offensive
You can dress up your lie by suggesting the document has not been turned into one for dummies but it changes nothing. If you need a summary then you will have to wait, I didn't need a summary - what does that tell you?
The document was released on 26 January!!!!!!
Now, have you managed to absorb that fact or are you now going to be
again? Or are you going to say I am an internet troll because if you are I strongly suggest you look up a definition in which I gurantee you will star with distinction? Oh by the way, nothing in this thread has made me outraged, you rarely have the ability to do that.
Tony
On Friday, 12 February 2016 11:14:57 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >> Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Yes I have seen a couple of posts where you said that and accepted them as tongue-in-cheek but I wonder sometimes.
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:49:47 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net<snipped for brevity>
dot nz> wrote:
See https://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz/text released on 26 January.I didn't lie, but you said I did (look 8 lines up). I would like to assume >> >>thatNo lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence?
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
That
would of course be a first!
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had) it
would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your
decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see
what you were doing.
Happy now?
you have a problem concentrating together with an extremely poor memory
but
actually deep down I know that you do it deliberately. It is you that
lies,
again and again - you will say anything in your desperation to make a
trivial
point.
The TTP is as done as it is possible to be done at this point and it is
the
will of the people!
"All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow"- if all your
lying is none, then the sun will still rise, Tony.
You were the one that said The TTP is now public knowledge and the
world has not stopped spinning": - you start with a falsehood (the TPP
is not all public - the text is hundreds of pages long and not even
summaries have been published with even simple anaysis in a form most
people can read. So you start with a falsehood, then follow with
saying that it will not do something that is entirely irrelevant, and
that we are unliekly to affect with any political proposals or
decisions.
If you cannot see that the two statements are entirely analgous, then
you are not trying very hard. I objected to your statement, but you
could not see my problem - a very similar statement fromme brings
outrage from you. Biassed? Of course you are.
Have a nice day, Tony, just watch out for those spin lines; you might
trip.
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty to >> >>>>understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
Tony
Rich I will keep the words nice and short - The TPP document is released in >>its
entirety (sorry that was a long word!) as I said.
I have not lied.
You have lied again.
Why do you insist on trying to defend your lies and misinformation (look it >>up
for a short word synonym) the document is released and that is what I said >>and
you are denying it and that makes you a liar.
You can dress up your lie by suggesting the document has not been turned >>into
one for dummies but it changes nothing. If you need a summary then you will >> have to wait, I didn't need a summary - what does that tell you?
The document was released on 26 January!!!!!!
Now, have you managed to absorb that fact or are you now going to be >>offensive
again? Or are you going to say I am an internet troll because if you are I >> strongly suggest you look up a definition in which I gurantee you will star >> with distinction? Oh by the way, nothing in this thread has made me >>outraged,
you rarely have the ability to do that.
Tony
Dickbot appears to be coming unhinged before our eyes. First he calls you a >liar then denies he did, then he says the TPP text is not public then says it >was released in full.
I've often jokingly said that Dickbot was not a real person, just a poorly >designed propaganda generating algorithm. You can see why!
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:assume
On Friday, 12 February 2016 11:14:57 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote: >> Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:49:47 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net<snipped for brevity>
dot nz> wrote:
I didn't lie, but you said I did (look 8 lines up). I would like toNo lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? >> >>>>That
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
would of course be a first!
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had) it
would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your
decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see >> >>>what you were doing.
Happy now?
tothat
you have a problem concentrating together with an extremely poor memory >> >>but
actually deep down I know that you do it deliberately. It is you that >> >>lies,
again and again - you will say anything in your desperation to make a >> >>trivial
point.
The TTP is as done as it is possible to be done at this point and it is >> >>the
will of the people!
"All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow"- if all your
lying is none, then the sun will still rise, Tony.
You were the one that said The TTP is now public knowledge and the
world has not stopped spinning": - you start with a falsehood (the TPP
is not all public - the text is hundreds of pages long and not even
summaries have been published with even simple anaysis in a form most
people can read. So you start with a falsehood, then follow with
saying that it will not do something that is entirely irrelevant, and
that we are unliekly to affect with any political proposals or
decisions.
If you cannot see that the two statements are entirely analgous, then
you are not trying very hard. I objected to your statement, but you
could not see my problem - a very similar statement fromme brings
outrage from you. Biassed? Of course you are.
Have a nice day, Tony, just watch out for those spin lines; you might
trip.
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty
inSee https://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz/text released on 26 January.understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
Tony
Rich I will keep the words nice and short - The TPP document is released
itits
entirety (sorry that was a long word!) as I said.
I have not lied.
You have lied again.
Why do you insist on trying to defend your lies and misinformation (look
willup
for a short word synonym) the document is released and that is what I said
and
you are denying it and that makes you a liar.
You can dress up your lie by suggesting the document has not been turned >>into
one for dummies but it changes nothing. If you need a summary then you
starhave to wait, I didn't need a summary - what does that tell you?
The document was released on 26 January!!!!!!
Now, have you managed to absorb that fact or are you now going to be >>offensive
again? Or are you going to say I am an internet troll because if you are I
strongly suggest you look up a definition in which I gurantee you will
itwith distinction? Oh by the way, nothing in this thread has made me >>outraged,
you rarely have the ability to do that.
Tony
Dickbot appears to be coming unhinged before our eyes. First he calls you a >liar then denies he did, then he says the TPP text is not public then says
awas released in full.
I've often jokingly said that Dickbot was not a real person, just a poorly >designed propaganda generating algorithm. You can see why!Yes I have seen a couple of posts where you said that and accepted them as tongue-in-cheek but I wonder sometimes.
The thing that annoys me is that he complains about how others behave but in most cases what he complains about he does himself. He actually comes over as
classic troll on occasion.
You would think that if he really cared about Labour he would concentrate on trying to fix a broken party, that is what I would do in his place. In fact I
am doing just that right now (with others) but it is not a political party!
Tony
The Labour party cannot repair itself. First of all, it is obsessed with JohnKey rather than looking at its own issues, and secondly, it is not interested in being a genuine 'broad church' party - it is beholden to union interests and
I see no way out - I think it is terminal. This only leaves the Green Partyfor the left wing votes, and Winston for the reactive grumpy vote with National
On 2/12/2016 4:14 PM, JohnO wrote:
The Labour party cannot repair itself. First of all, it is obsessed with
John Key rather than looking at its own issues, and secondly, it is not
interested in being a genuine 'broad church' party - it is beholden to
union interests and this is now entrenched constitutionally.
I see no way out - I think it is terminal. This only leaves the Green
Party for the left wing votes, and Winston for the reactive grumpy vote
with National collecting the centre ground by default. Not healthy for NZ
to lack a viable opposition as it is allowing National to sleep walk to
yet another victory.
The only thing to do with rich is invoke the killfile.
There is nothing of merit coming from that direction.
And as for Liebor, nearly history, the obits are being written, the unions will not fund their political wing and that's it..
Bye bye angry little man and the queen of Wellington
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 16:14:55 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:And even now the government is refusing to answer questions about it -
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:49:47 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net<snipped for brevity>
dot nz> wrote:
See https://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz/text released on 26 January.I didn't lie, but you said I did (look 8 lines up). I would like to >>>>assumeNo lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? >>>>>>That
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
would of course be a first!
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had) it >>>>>would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your >>>>>decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see >>>>>what you were doing.
Happy now?
that
you have a problem concentrating together with an extremely poor memory >>>>but
actually deep down I know that you do it deliberately. It is you that >>>>lies,
again and again - you will say anything in your desperation to make a >>>>trivial
point.
The TTP is as done as it is possible to be done at this point and it is >>>>the
will of the people!
"All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow"- if all your
lying is none, then the sun will still rise, Tony.
You were the one that said The TTP is now public knowledge and the
world has not stopped spinning": - you start with a falsehood (the TPP
is not all public - the text is hundreds of pages long and not even >>>summaries have been published with even simple anaysis in a form most >>>people can read. So you start with a falsehood, then follow with
saying that it will not do something that is entirely irrelevant, and >>>that we are unliekly to affect with any political proposals or
decisions.
If you cannot see that the two statements are entirely analgous, then
you are not trying very hard. I objected to your statement, but you
could not see my problem - a very similar statement fromme brings
outrage from you. Biassed? Of course you are.
Have a nice day, Tony, just watch out for those spin lines; you might >>>trip.
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty >>>>>>to
understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
Tony
Rich I will keep the words nice and short - The TPP document is released
in its
entirety (sorry that was a long word!) as I said.
the wording is not at all clear in many places . . ..
I have not lied.I did not deny that the text of the agreement has now been released -
You have lied again.
Why do you insist on trying to defend your lies and misinformation (look
it up
for a short word synonym) the document is released and that is what I said >>and
you are denying it and that makes you a liar.
read what I actually wrote.
You can dress up your lie by suggesting the document has not been turned >>into
one for dummies but it changes nothing. If you need a summary then you
will
have to wait, I didn't need a summary - what does that tell you?
The document was released on 26 January!!!!!!
Now, have you managed to absorb that fact or are you now going to be >>offensive
again? Or are you going to say I am an internet troll because if you are I >>strongly suggest you look up a definition in which I gurantee you will
star
with distinction? Oh by the way, nothing in this thread has made me >>outraged,
you rarely have the ability to do that.
Tony
TonyJohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, 12 February 2016 11:14:57 UTC+13, nor...@googlegroups.com wrote:Yes I have seen a couple of posts where you said that and accepted them as >> tongue-in-cheek but I wonder sometimes.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 10 Feb 2016 13:49:47 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net<snipped for brevity>
dot nz> wrote:
See https://www.tpp.mfat.govt.nz/text released on 26 January.I didn't lie, but you said I did (look 8 lines up). I would like toNo lies from me here, if there are could you please provide evidence? >> >> >>>>That
All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow, Tony.
would of course be a first!
If you have not lied (and note I varefully did notclaim you had) it
would still not stop the sun rising - all I was doing was copy your
decpetive wording, albeit in a simpler form in the hope you would see >> >> >>>what you were doing.
Happy now?
assume
that
you have a problem concentrating together with an extremely poor memory >> >> >>but
actually deep down I know that you do it deliberately. It is you that >> >> >>lies,
again and again - you will say anything in your desperation to make a >> >> >>trivial
point.
The TTP is as done as it is possible to be done at this point and it is >> >> >>the
will of the people!
"All your lying will not stop the sun rising tomorrow"- if all your
lying is none, then the sun will still rise, Tony.
You were the one that said The TTP is now public knowledge and the
world has not stopped spinning": - you start with a falsehood (the TPP >> >> >is not all public - the text is hundreds of pages long and not even
summaries have been published with even simple anaysis in a form most
people can read. So you start with a falsehood, then follow with
saying that it will not do something that is entirely irrelevant, and
that we are unliekly to affect with any political proposals or
decisions.
If you cannot see that the two statements are entirely analgous, then
you are not trying very hard. I objected to your statement, but you
could not see my problem - a very similar statement fromme brings
outrage from you. Biassed? Of course you are.
Have a nice day, Tony, just watch out for those spin lines; you might
trip.
The sun will rise tomorrow despite your nasty innuendos and inabilty >> >> >>>>to
understand or care about what is best for this country!
Tony
Tony
Rich I will keep the words nice and short - The TPP document is released >> >>in
its
entirety (sorry that was a long word!) as I said.
I have not lied.
You have lied again.
Why do you insist on trying to defend your lies and misinformation (look >> >>it
up
for a short word synonym) the document is released and that is what I
said
and
you are denying it and that makes you a liar.
You can dress up your lie by suggesting the document has not been turned >> >>into
one for dummies but it changes nothing. If you need a summary then you
will
have to wait, I didn't need a summary - what does that tell you?
The document was released on 26 January!!!!!!
Now, have you managed to absorb that fact or are you now going to be
offensive
again? Or are you going to say I am an internet troll because if you are >> >>I
strongly suggest you look up a definition in which I gurantee you will
star
with distinction? Oh by the way, nothing in this thread has made me
outraged,
you rarely have the ability to do that.
Tony
Dickbot appears to be coming unhinged before our eyes. First he calls you a >> >liar then denies he did, then he says the TPP text is not public then says >> >it
was released in full.
I've often jokingly said that Dickbot was not a real person, just a poorly >> >designed propaganda generating algorithm. You can see why!
The thing that annoys me is that he complains about how others behave but in >> most cases what he complains about he does himself. He actually comes over >>as a
classic troll on occasion.
You would think that if he really cared about Labour he would concentrate on >> trying to fix a broken party, that is what I would do in his place. In fact >>I
am doing just that right now (with others) but it is not a political party! >>
Tony
The Labour party cannot repair itself. First of all, it is obsessed with John >Key rather than looking at its own issues, and secondly, it is not interested >in being a genuine 'broad church' party - it is beholden to union interests and
this is now entrenched constitutionally.
I see no way out - I think it is terminal. This only leaves the Green Party >for the left wing votes, and Winston for the reactive grumpy vote with National
collecting the centre ground by default. Not healthy for NZ to lack a viable >opposition as it is allowing National to sleep walk to yet another victory. Regretably I believe it is terminal also. We need a statesmanlike person to stand up and say "follow me". I don't care what they call it provided it is an honest party!
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