On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 13:16:18 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No change in subject Tony. Human Rights are a concern to many:
On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 00:15:21 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netNonsense!
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 22:24:25 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:Yes finally after several stupid threats!
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:He has been invited and is going. They have arranged to have a larger >>>>>venue for his speech so that more can hear him, so they do not want >>>>>himto talk politis in the ceremonial part that is the celebration of >>>>>the signing of the Treaty.
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 08:06:42 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>>>Your responses are irrelevant Rich. It is not a question of private >>>>>>property
Time to stop the bullshit.Why, geroge?
If the Prime Minister of New Zealand cannot speak on or in any >>>>>>>>'marae'
then that 'marae' should be stripped of all the European technology. >>>>>>>You just hate private property rights, don't you george. Is this some >>>>>>>sort of "right of Royalty" that you think a Prime Minister should >>>>>>>have? Why would you want to take property away from their owners? >>>>>>>
Transport reduced to walking and waka.
No pensions or dole.
No supermarkets, phones, electricity, radio, newspapers, magazines >>>>>>>>or TV.
No reticulated water supply or sewerage.
No modern medicine, ambo or fire brigade.
No modern fabrics or devices like hearing aids, glasses or pace >>>>>>>>makers.
They want to return to precolonial days.Have they said they do? Of course they hane't. All they have done is >>>>>>>invite the Prime Minister to speak in a place where more people than >>>>>>>in past years will be able to hear him. Do you think the Prime >>>>>>>Minister is embarrassed to be heard?
Let themIndeed - who is stopping anyone from doinghtat if they want to - but >>>>>>>I'm not aware of anyone wanting to return to pre colonial days - are >>>>>>>you?
rights, it is a question of respect for the 'position' of the duly >>>>>>elected
Prime Minister of this country. He or she might not have a legal right >>>>>>of
entry
to a marae but any who deny him or her entry on Waitangi Day are being >>>>>>deliberately offensive.
Politics are never spoken on this occasion either by our current PM or >>>>by the
previous one, why would you see that as a possibility?"
It was a simple decision, it is all about respect - not politics!
Cleraly that decision was not an easy one to come to, for either the >>>>>Maori or John Key, but here's hoping that there can be real and >>>>>respectful dialogue - that has been sadly lacking..
The lack of respect was from both sides.
Once more you have to descend into sarcasm because you have not got the >>intellect to reason.
Why don't you do some research?
Any suggestion that our PM should not be welcome is a disgrace; pure >>>>>>politics
overriding good behaviour. Please do not play the race card here, that >>>>>>has
nothing to do with anything!
Anyway there is nothing in the TTP that disadvantages Maori; if there >>>>>>is
please
provide proof!
Tony
Certainly excluding Mari from the discussions regarding the TPPA was >>>>>seen as disrespectful to their position under the treaty. Many Maori >>>>>believe that they are disadvantaged by that at least, as they believe >>>>>it sets a precedent for continuing to ignore the Treaty. Many New >>>>>Zealanders do believe that some of the non-trade provisions will >>>>>disadvantage New Zealand - and that will include many Maori New >>>>>Zealanders.
Maori rights (under the Treaty) are entrenched in the TPP!!!
Stupidity abounds in people that cannot separate dogma from truth!
Tony
So what happened to the contractual commitment to consult?
Of course it is possible that Maori are concerned about the negative >>>impact of the non-trade aspects of the agreement, just as many
non-Maori are - it may have escaped your notice Tony, but Maori are
New Zealanders too!
What a pity and how entirely foreseeable!
You have predictably changed the subject - the reason why a small group of >>people (the same ones every year) have raised this issue is for the same >>reason
they do it every year. It is nothing to do with the TPP, Maori rights are >>entrenched in the TPP as I said and therefore the attitide of these people >>has
nothing to do with the trade agreement and everything to do with something >>far
less admirable.
Tony
http://www.ohchr.org/FR/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=16031&LangID=E
and https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/how-tpp-and-fast-track-threaten-human-rights
Maori Rights include Human Rights . . .
On Thu, 04 Feb 2016 09:45:13 +1300, Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 13:16:18 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No change in subject Tony. Human Rights are a concern to many:
On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 00:15:21 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:Nonsense!
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 22:24:25 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>>dot nz> wrote:Yes finally after several stupid threats!
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:He has been invited and is going. They have arranged to have a larger >>>>>>venue for his speech so that more can hear him, so they do not want >>>>>>himto talk politis in the ceremonial part that is the celebration of >>>>>>the signing of the Treaty.
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 08:06:42 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> >>>>>>>>wrote:Your responses are irrelevant Rich. It is not a question of private >>>>>>>property
Time to stop the bullshit.You just hate private property rights, don't you george. Is this >>>>>>>>some
If the Prime Minister of New Zealand cannot speak on or in any >>>>>>>>>'marae'
then that 'marae' should be stripped of all the European >>>>>>>>>technology.
sort of "right of Royalty" that you think a Prime Minister should >>>>>>>>have? Why would you want to take property away from their owners? >>>>>>>>
Transport reduced to walking and waka.Why, geroge?
No pensions or dole.
No supermarkets, phones, electricity, radio, newspapers, magazines >>>>>>>>>or TV.
No reticulated water supply or sewerage.
No modern medicine, ambo or fire brigade.
No modern fabrics or devices like hearing aids, glasses or pace >>>>>>>>>makers.
They want to return to precolonial days.Have they said they do? Of course they hane't. All they have done is >>>>>>>>invite the Prime Minister to speak in a place where more people than >>>>>>>>in past years will be able to hear him. Do you think the Prime >>>>>>>>Minister is embarrassed to be heard?
Let themIndeed - who is stopping anyone from doinghtat if they want to - but >>>>>>>>I'm not aware of anyone wanting to return to pre colonial days - are >>>>>>>>you?
rights, it is a question of respect for the 'position' of the duly >>>>>>>elected
Prime Minister of this country. He or she might not have a legal >>>>>>>right of
entry
to a marae but any who deny him or her entry on Waitangi Day are >>>>>>>being
deliberately offensive.
Politics are never spoken on this occasion either by our current PM or >>>>>by the
previous one, why would you see that as a possibility?"
It was a simple decision, it is all about respect - not politics!
Cleraly that decision was not an easy one to come to, for either the >>>>>>Maori or John Key, but here's hoping that there can be real and >>>>>>respectful dialogue - that has been sadly lacking..
The lack of respect was from both sides.
Once more you have to descend into sarcasm because you have not got the >>>intellect to reason.
Why don't you do some research?
Any suggestion that our PM should not be welcome is a disgrace; pure >>>>>>>politics
overriding good behaviour. Please do not play the race card here, >>>>>>>that has
nothing to do with anything!
Anyway there is nothing in the TTP that disadvantages Maori; if there >>>>>>>is
please
provide proof!
Tony
Certainly excluding Mari from the discussions regarding the TPPA was >>>>>>seen as disrespectful to their position under the treaty. Many Maori >>>>>>believe that they are disadvantaged by that at least, as they believe >>>>>>it sets a precedent for continuing to ignore the Treaty. Many New >>>>>>Zealanders do believe that some of the non-trade provisions will >>>>>>disadvantage New Zealand - and that will include many Maori New >>>>>>Zealanders.
Maori rights (under the Treaty) are entrenched in the TPP!!! >>>>>Stupidity abounds in people that cannot separate dogma from truth!
Tony
So what happened to the contractual commitment to consult?
Of course it is possible that Maori are concerned about the negative >>>>impact of the non-trade aspects of the agreement, just as many >>>>non-Maori are - it may have escaped your notice Tony, but Maori are
New Zealanders too!
What a pity and how entirely foreseeable!
You have predictably changed the subject - the reason why a small group >>>of
people (the same ones every year) have raised this issue is for the same >>>reason
they do it every year. It is nothing to do with the TPP, Maori rights are >>>entrenched in the TPP as I said and therefore the attitide of these >>>people has
nothing to do with the trade agreement and everything to do with >>>something far
less admirable.
Tony
and >>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/how-tpp-and-fast-track-threaten-human-rightshttp://www.ohchr.org/FR/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=16031&LangID=E
Maori Rights include Human Rights . . .
and also this: http://firstwetakemanhattan.org/2016/02/02/the-great-brown-hope-the-treaty-exception-in-the-tpp/
Where do your commissars get this shit from Rich?
On 2/4/2016 11:25 AM, Pooh wrote:
Where do your commissars get this shit from Rich?Liebors back room boys.
They failed to get any traction with their other dirty tactics and now
think that if they keep repeating the same old tired rubbish they'll get a different result...
On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 13:16:18 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netOK you were using sarcasm now you are using innuendo, in both case you have been very rude -
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No change in subject Tony. Human Rights are a concern to many:
On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 00:15:21 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netNonsense!
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 22:24:25 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:Yes finally after several stupid threats!
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:He has been invited and is going. They have arranged to have a larger >>>>>venue for his speech so that more can hear him, so they do not want >>>>>himto talk politis in the ceremonial part that is the celebration of >>>>>the signing of the Treaty.
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 08:06:42 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>>>Your responses are irrelevant Rich. It is not a question of private >>>>>>property
Time to stop the bullshit.
If the Prime Minister of New Zealand cannot speak on or in any 'marae' >>>>>>>>then that 'marae' should be stripped of all the European technology. >>>>>>>You just hate private property rights, don't you george. Is this some >>>>>>>sort of "right of Royalty" that you think a Prime Minister should >>>>>>>have? Why would you want to take property away from their owners? >>>>>>>
Transport reduced to walking and waka.
No pensions or dole.
No supermarkets, phones, electricity, radio, newspapers, magazines or >>>>>>>>TV.
No reticulated water supply or sewerage.
No modern medicine, ambo or fire brigade.
No modern fabrics or devices like hearing aids, glasses or pace makers. >>>>>>>Why, geroge?
They want to return to precolonial days.Have they said they do? Of course they hane't. All they have done is >>>>>>>invite the Prime Minister to speak in a place where more people than >>>>>>>in past years will be able to hear him. Do you think the Prime >>>>>>>Minister is embarrassed to be heard?
Let themIndeed - who is stopping anyone from doinghtat if they want to - but >>>>>>>I'm not aware of anyone wanting to return to pre colonial days - are >>>>>>>you?
rights, it is a question of respect for the 'position' of the duly >>>>>>elected
Prime Minister of this country. He or she might not have a legal right of >>>>>>entry
to a marae but any who deny him or her entry on Waitangi Day are being >>>>>>deliberately offensive.
Politics are never spoken on this occasion either by our current PM or by >>>>the
previous one, why would you see that as a possibility?"
It was a simple decision, it is all about respect - not politics!
Cleraly that decision was not an easy one to come to, for either the >>>>>Maori or John Key, but here's hoping that there can be real and >>>>>respectful dialogue - that has been sadly lacking..
The lack of respect was from both sides.
Once more you have to descend into sarcasm because you have not got the >>intellect to reason.
Why don't you do some research?
Any suggestion that our PM should not be welcome is a disgrace; pure >>>>>>politics
overriding good behaviour. Please do not play the race card here, that >>>>>>has
nothing to do with anything!
Anyway there is nothing in the TTP that disadvantages Maori; if there is >>>>>>please
provide proof!
Tony
Certainly excluding Mari from the discussions regarding the TPPA was >>>>>seen as disrespectful to their position under the treaty. Many Maori >>>>>believe that they are disadvantaged by that at least, as they believe >>>>>it sets a precedent for continuing to ignore the Treaty. Many New >>>>>Zealanders do believe that some of the non-trade provisions will >>>>>disadvantage New Zealand - and that will include many Maori New >>>>>Zealanders.
Maori rights (under the Treaty) are entrenched in the TPP!!!
Stupidity abounds in people that cannot separate dogma from truth!
Tony
So what happened to the contractual commitment to consult?
Of course it is possible that Maori are concerned about the negative >>>impact of the non-trade aspects of the agreement, just as many
non-Maori are - it may have escaped your notice Tony, but Maori are
New Zealanders too!
What a pity and how entirely foreseeable!
You have predictably changed the subject - the reason why a small group of >>people (the same ones every year) have raised this issue is for the same >>reason
they do it every year. It is nothing to do with the TPP, Maori rights are >>entrenched in the TPP as I said and therefore the attitide of these people >>has
nothing to do with the trade agreement and everything to do with something >>far
less admirable.
Tony
http://www.ohchr.org/FR/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=16031&LangID=E
and >https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/how-tpp-and-fast-track-threaten-human-rights
Maori Rights include Human Rights . . .
In article <_sydnRSbxon7qyzLnZ2dnUU7-ImdnZ2d@giganews.com>, me@hiddenaddress.com says...
-Newsman- wrote:
In article <woWdnVlWibrIhCzLnZ2dnUU7-T2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
me@hiddenaddress.com says...
george152 wrote:
Time to stop the bullshit.
If the Prime Minister of New Zealand cannot speak on or in any
'marae' then that 'marae' should be stripped of all the European
technology.
European technology? Most technology is made in Asia these days.
Made, perhaps, but not necessarily invented; and how do you know there
is something to be made if it is not the product of original invention
or discovery?
All inventions are based on those that have gone before. I am sure there
are a lot of technical inventions that were not first made in Europe,
even if they were based on things that were.
In this instance, from the term, 'European' I infer 'non-maori.'
An annual ritual of coarse self-righteous heckling and manhandling,
Waitangi Day is nothing but a misery-loves-company occasion for the
nation to indulge in a public display of corrosive and decadent self-
abuse. No one other than the crude, sensationalist ratbag media and a
gaggle of ragged-arsed greasy-sausage sizzlers makes anything out of
it.
No good ever comes of it.
Other than a long weekend (without pay for me, but still worth it).
I have never doubted for a moment that you already feel your pay is no
less than your worth.
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 13:16:18 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netOK you were using sarcasm now you are using innuendo, in both case you have >been very rude -
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No change in subject Tony. Human Rights are a concern to many:
On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 00:15:21 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:Nonsense!
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 22:24:25 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>>dot nz> wrote:Yes finally after several stupid threats!
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:He has been invited and is going. They have arranged to have a larger >>>>>>venue for his speech so that more can hear him, so they do not want >>>>>>himto talk politis in the ceremonial part that is the celebration of >>>>>>the signing of the Treaty.
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 08:06:42 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>Your responses are irrelevant Rich. It is not a question of private >>>>>>>property
Time to stop the bullshit.Why, geroge?
If the Prime Minister of New Zealand cannot speak on or in any 'marae' >>>>>>>>>then that 'marae' should be stripped of all the European technology. >>>>>>>>You just hate private property rights, don't you george. Is this some >>>>>>>>sort of "right of Royalty" that you think a Prime Minister should >>>>>>>>have? Why would you want to take property away from their owners? >>>>>>>>
Transport reduced to walking and waka.
No pensions or dole.
No supermarkets, phones, electricity, radio, newspapers, magazines or >>>>>>>>>TV.
No reticulated water supply or sewerage.
No modern medicine, ambo or fire brigade.
No modern fabrics or devices like hearing aids, glasses or pace makers.
They want to return to precolonial days.Have they said they do? Of course they hane't. All they have done is >>>>>>>>invite the Prime Minister to speak in a place where more people than >>>>>>>>in past years will be able to hear him. Do you think the Prime >>>>>>>>Minister is embarrassed to be heard?
Let themIndeed - who is stopping anyone from doinghtat if they want to - but >>>>>>>>I'm not aware of anyone wanting to return to pre colonial days - are >>>>>>>>you?
rights, it is a question of respect for the 'position' of the duly >>>>>>>elected
Prime Minister of this country. He or she might not have a legal right of
entry
to a marae but any who deny him or her entry on Waitangi Day are being >>>>>>>deliberately offensive.
Politics are never spoken on this occasion either by our current PM or by >>>>>the
previous one, why would you see that as a possibility?"
It was a simple decision, it is all about respect - not politics!
Cleraly that decision was not an easy one to come to, for either the >>>>>>Maori or John Key, but here's hoping that there can be real and >>>>>>respectful dialogue - that has been sadly lacking..
The lack of respect was from both sides.
Once more you have to descend into sarcasm because you have not got the >>>intellect to reason.
Why don't you do some research?
Any suggestion that our PM should not be welcome is a disgrace; pure >>>>>>>politics
overriding good behaviour. Please do not play the race card here, that >>>>>>>has
nothing to do with anything!
Anyway there is nothing in the TTP that disadvantages Maori; if there is >>>>>>>please
provide proof!
Tony
Certainly excluding Mari from the discussions regarding the TPPA was >>>>>>seen as disrespectful to their position under the treaty. Many Maori >>>>>>believe that they are disadvantaged by that at least, as they believe >>>>>>it sets a precedent for continuing to ignore the Treaty. Many New >>>>>>Zealanders do believe that some of the non-trade provisions will >>>>>>disadvantage New Zealand - and that will include many Maori New >>>>>>Zealanders.
Maori rights (under the Treaty) are entrenched in the TPP!!! >>>>>Stupidity abounds in people that cannot separate dogma from truth!
Tony
So what happened to the contractual commitment to consult?
Of course it is possible that Maori are concerned about the negative >>>>impact of the non-trade aspects of the agreement, just as many >>>>non-Maori are - it may have escaped your notice Tony, but Maori are
New Zealanders too!
What a pity and how entirely foreseeable!
You have predictably changed the subject - the reason why a small group of >>>people (the same ones every year) have raised this issue is for the same >>>reason
they do it every year. It is nothing to do with the TPP, Maori rights are >>>entrenched in the TPP as I said and therefore the attitide of these people >>>has
nothing to do with the trade agreement and everything to do with something >>>far
less admirable.
Tony
and >>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/how-tpp-and-fast-track-threaten-human-rightshttp://www.ohchr.org/FR/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=16031&LangID=E
Maori Rights include Human Rights . . .
Nobody, least of all me has suggested that there is a difference between the >human rights of any grooup of people. So why would you be so oddensive as to >suggest it.
Sometimes Rich you are a real asshole!
Tony
On 2/3/2016 7:32 PM, Pooh wrote:
Come on Tony. Rich wasn't playing the race card just being deliberatelyAnd that is what these wankers forget.
offensive as is his want.
He also is either ignorant of or just ignoring the fact it's the national
marae which should be open to all New Zealanders. No caveats no abuse.
The lower marae is different and should be treated differently.
Complete avoidance is what I suggest
But the Treaty Grounds are, if it's possible, the New Zealand marae open
to every-one.
On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 20:40:35 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netI do agree but that is not what I meant and you know it. It is also not what I implied and you know it.
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 13:16:18 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot netOK you were using sarcasm now you are using innuendo, in both case you have >>been very rude -
dot nz> wrote:
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No change in subject Tony. Human Rights are a concern to many:
On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 00:15:21 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:Nonsense!
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 02 Feb 2016 22:24:25 -0600, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>>>dot nz> wrote:Yes finally after several stupid threats!
Rich80105<rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:He has been invited and is going. They have arranged to have a larger >>>>>>>venue for his speech so that more can hear him, so they do not want >>>>>>>himto talk politis in the ceremonial part that is the celebration of >>>>>>>the signing of the Treaty.
On Wed, 3 Feb 2016 08:06:42 +1300, george152 <gblack@hnpl.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>Your responses are irrelevant Rich. It is not a question of private >>>>>>>>property
Time to stop the bullshit.Why, geroge?
If the Prime Minister of New Zealand cannot speak on or in any >>>>>>>>>>'marae'
then that 'marae' should be stripped of all the European technology. >>>>>>>>>You just hate private property rights, don't you george. Is this some >>>>>>>>>sort of "right of Royalty" that you think a Prime Minister should >>>>>>>>>have? Why would you want to take property away from their owners? >>>>>>>>>
Transport reduced to walking and waka.
No pensions or dole.
No supermarkets, phones, electricity, radio, newspapers, magazines or >>>>>>>>>>TV.
No reticulated water supply or sewerage.
No modern medicine, ambo or fire brigade.
No modern fabrics or devices like hearing aids, glasses or pace >>>>>>>>>>makers.
They want to return to precolonial days.Have they said they do? Of course they hane't. All they have done is >>>>>>>>>invite the Prime Minister to speak in a place where more people than >>>>>>>>>in past years will be able to hear him. Do you think the Prime >>>>>>>>>Minister is embarrassed to be heard?
Let themIndeed - who is stopping anyone from doinghtat if they want to - but >>>>>>>>>I'm not aware of anyone wanting to return to pre colonial days - are >>>>>>>>>you?
rights, it is a question of respect for the 'position' of the duly >>>>>>>>elected
Prime Minister of this country. He or she might not have a legal right >>>>>>>>of
entry
to a marae but any who deny him or her entry on Waitangi Day are being >>>>>>>>deliberately offensive.
Politics are never spoken on this occasion either by our current PM or by >>>>>>the
previous one, why would you see that as a possibility?"
It was a simple decision, it is all about respect - not politics!
Cleraly that decision was not an easy one to come to, for either the >>>>>>>Maori or John Key, but here's hoping that there can be real and >>>>>>>respectful dialogue - that has been sadly lacking..
The lack of respect was from both sides.
Once more you have to descend into sarcasm because you have not got the >>>>intellect to reason.
Why don't you do some research?
Any suggestion that our PM should not be welcome is a disgrace; pure >>>>>>>>politics
overriding good behaviour. Please do not play the race card here, that >>>>>>>>has
nothing to do with anything!
Anyway there is nothing in the TTP that disadvantages Maori; if there >>>>>>>>is
please
provide proof!
Tony
Certainly excluding Mari from the discussions regarding the TPPA was >>>>>>>seen as disrespectful to their position under the treaty. Many Maori >>>>>>>believe that they are disadvantaged by that at least, as they believe >>>>>>>it sets a precedent for continuing to ignore the Treaty. Many New >>>>>>>Zealanders do believe that some of the non-trade provisions will >>>>>>>disadvantage New Zealand - and that will include many Maori New >>>>>>>Zealanders.
Maori rights (under the Treaty) are entrenched in the TPP!!! >>>>>>Stupidity abounds in people that cannot separate dogma from truth!
Tony
So what happened to the contractual commitment to consult?
Of course it is possible that Maori are concerned about the negative >>>>>impact of the non-trade aspects of the agreement, just as many >>>>>non-Maori are - it may have escaped your notice Tony, but Maori are >>>>>New Zealanders too!
What a pity and how entirely foreseeable!
You have predictably changed the subject - the reason why a small group of >>>>people (the same ones every year) have raised this issue is for the same >>>>reason
they do it every year. It is nothing to do with the TPP, Maori rights are >>>>entrenched in the TPP as I said and therefore the attitide of these people >>>>has
nothing to do with the trade agreement and everything to do with something >>>>far
less admirable.
Tony
and >>>https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/how-tpp-and-fast-track-threaten-human-rightshttp://www.ohchr.org/FR/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=16031&LangID=E
Maori Rights include Human Rights . . .
Nobody, least of all me has suggested that there is a difference between the >>human rights of any grooup of people. So why would you be so oddensive as to >>suggest it.
Sometimes Rich you are a real asshole!
Tony
I was responding to the comment that "Maori Rights are entrenched in
the TPP," and pointing out that Maori can hav legitimate issues with
both process, and with issues that ae common to all New Zealanders. A >restrictive view of what "Maori" are permitted to be concerned about
is offensive as I am sure you would agree.
On 4/02/2016 8:10 a.m., george152 wrote:
On 2/3/2016 7:32 PM, Pooh wrote:Looks like the P.M isn't going. Hope the TV news-hounds do likewise.
Come on Tony. Rich wasn't playing the race card just being deliberatelyAnd that is what these wankers forget.
offensive as is his want.
He also is either ignorant of or just ignoring the fact it's the
national
marae which should be open to all New Zealanders. No caveats no abuse.
The lower marae is different and should be treated differently.
Complete avoidance is what I suggest
But the Treaty Grounds are, if it's possible, the New Zealand marae open
to every-one.
"Fred" <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:n8ump0$5qc$1@dont-email.me...
On 4/02/2016 8:10 a.m., george152 wrote:
On 2/3/2016 7:32 PM, Pooh wrote:Looks like the P.M isn't going. Hope the TV news-hounds do likewise.
Come on Tony. Rich wasn't playing the race card just being deliberately >>>> offensive as is his want.And that is what these wankers forget.
He also is either ignorant of or just ignoring the fact it's the
national
marae which should be open to all New Zealanders. No caveats no abuse. >>>>
The lower marae is different and should be treated differently.
Complete avoidance is what I suggest
But the Treaty Grounds are, if it's possible, the New Zealand marae open >>> to every-one.
Hardly worth it for them Fred. After all they'll only have little Andy and the Watermelons to interview and they'll just waffle on about TPPA being the death of democracy. As if the dumb left actually understands the meaning of democracy.
Pooh
On 4/02/2016 7:09 p.m., Pooh wrote:
"Fred" <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote in messageThey'll still turn up with cameras and mikes all ablaze. Pity. Ignore
news:n8ump0$5qc$1@dont-email.me...
On 4/02/2016 8:10 a.m., george152 wrote:
On 2/3/2016 7:32 PM, Pooh wrote:Looks like the P.M isn't going. Hope the TV news-hounds do likewise.
Come on Tony. Rich wasn't playing the race card just being deliberately >>>>> offensive as is his want.And that is what these wankers forget.
He also is either ignorant of or just ignoring the fact it's the
national
marae which should be open to all New Zealanders. No caveats no abuse. >>>>>
The lower marae is different and should be treated differently.
Complete avoidance is what I suggest
But the Treaty Grounds are, if it's possible, the New Zealand marae open >>>> to every-one.
Hardly worth it for them Fred. After all they'll only have little Andy and >> the Watermelons to interview and they'll just waffle on about TPPA being the >> death of democracy. As if the dumb left actually understands the meaning of >> democracy.
Pooh
the lot of them is the answer.
On Thu, 4 Feb 2016 19:13:16 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/02/2016 7:09 p.m., Pooh wrote:
"Fred" <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote in messageThey'll still turn up with cameras and mikes all ablaze. Pity. Ignore
news:n8ump0$5qc$1@dont-email.me...
On 4/02/2016 8:10 a.m., george152 wrote:
On 2/3/2016 7:32 PM, Pooh wrote:Looks like the P.M isn't going. Hope the TV news-hounds do likewise.
Come on Tony. Rich wasn't playing the race card just beingAnd that is what these wankers forget.
deliberately
offensive as is his want.
He also is either ignorant of or just ignoring the fact it's the
national
marae which should be open to all New Zealanders. No caveats no
abuse.
The lower marae is different and should be treated differently.
Complete avoidance is what I suggest
But the Treaty Grounds are, if it's possible, the New Zealand marae
open
to every-one.
Hardly worth it for them Fred. After all they'll only have little Andy
and
the Watermelons to interview and they'll just waffle on about TPPA being >>> the
death of democracy. As if the dumb left actually understands the meaning >>> of
democracy.
Pooh
the lot of them is the answer.
I guess that strategy has worked for Key for a long time, but National
are now starting to suffer from the lack of trust that being ignored generates . . .
On 4/02/2016 8:10 a.m., george152 wrote:
On 2/3/2016 7:32 PM, Pooh wrote:Looks like the P.M isn't going. Hope the TV news-hounds do likewise.
Come on Tony. Rich wasn't playing the race card just being deliberatelyAnd that is what these wankers forget.
offensive as is his want.
He also is either ignorant of or just ignoring the fact it's the
national
marae which should be open to all New Zealanders. No caveats no abuse.
The lower marae is different and should be treated differently.
Complete avoidance is what I suggest
But the Treaty Grounds are, if it's possible, the New Zealand marae open
to every-one.
Time to stop the bullshit.
If the Prime Minister of New Zealand cannot speak on or in any 'marae'
then that 'marae' should be stripped of all the European technology. Transport reduced to walking and waka.
No pensions or dole.
No supermarkets, phones, electricity, radio, newspapers, magazines or TV.
No reticulated water supply or sewerage.
No modern medicine, ambo or fire brigade.
No modern fabrics or devices like hearing aids, glasses or pace makers.
They want to return to precolonial days.
Let them
On Thu, 4 Feb 2016 19:13:16 +1300, Fred <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4/02/2016 7:09 p.m., Pooh wrote:
"Fred" <dryrot@hotmail.com> wrote in messageThey'll still turn up with cameras and mikes all ablaze. Pity. Ignore
news:n8ump0$5qc$1@dont-email.me...
On 4/02/2016 8:10 a.m., george152 wrote:
On 2/3/2016 7:32 PM, Pooh wrote:Looks like the P.M isn't going. Hope the TV news-hounds do likewise.
Come on Tony. Rich wasn't playing the race card just being deliberately >>>>>> offensive as is his want.And that is what these wankers forget.
He also is either ignorant of or just ignoring the fact it's the
national
marae which should be open to all New Zealanders. No caveats no abuse. >>>>>>
The lower marae is different and should be treated differently.
Complete avoidance is what I suggest
But the Treaty Grounds are, if it's possible, the New Zealand marae open >>>>> to every-one.
Hardly worth it for them Fred. After all they'll only have little Andy and >>> the Watermelons to interview and they'll just waffle on about TPPA being the
death of democracy. As if the dumb left actually understands the meaning of >>> democracy.
Pooh
the lot of them is the answer.
I guess that strategy has worked for Key for a long time, but National
are now starting to suffer from the lack of trust that being ignored generates . . .
george152 wrote:
Time to stop the bullshit.
If the Prime Minister of New Zealand cannot speak on or in any 'marae'
then that 'marae' should be stripped of all the European technology.
European technology? Most technology is made in Asia these days.
Transport reduced to walking and waka.
No pensions or dole.
No supermarkets, phones, electricity, radio, newspapers, magazines or TV.
No reticulated water supply or sewerage.
No modern medicine, ambo or fire brigade.
No modern fabrics or devices like hearing aids, glasses or pace makers.
They want to return to precolonial days.
Let them
The PM should just call their bluff and hold a celebration/commemoration somewhere else.
Time to stop the bullshit.
If the Prime Minister of New Zealand cannot speak on or in any 'marae'
then that 'marae' should be stripped of all the European technology.
Transport reduced to walking and waka.
No pensions or dole.
No supermarkets, phones, electricity, radio, newspapers, magazines or TV.
No reticulated water supply or sewerage.
No modern medicine, ambo or fire brigade.
No modern fabrics or devices like hearing aids, glasses or pace makers.
They want to return to precolonial days.
Let them
On 3/02/2016 8:06 a.m., george152 wrote:
Time to stop the bullshit.
If the Prime Minister of New Zealand cannot speak on or in any 'marae'
then that 'marae' should be stripped of all the European technology.
Why? John Key didn't have anything to do with it.
Its their house, if he can't be humble and listen one day, thats his
problem.
He's just a politician, not a king.
His rights come from others, and the marae is their property.
Transport reduced to walking and waka.
No pensions or dole.
No supermarkets, phones, electricity, radio, newspapers, magazines or TV.
No reticulated water supply or sewerage.
No modern medicine, ambo or fire brigade.
No modern fabrics or devices like hearing aids, glasses or pace makers.
They want to return to precolonial days.
Let them
Those rights don't come from John Key.
Bet he didn't even buy a ticket to the Nines
Just breezed into some merchant banks corporate box to talk about making
it easier to skim more from real estate.
On 3/02/2016 10:02 a.m., Allistar wrote:
george152 wrote:
Time to stop the bullshit.
If the Prime Minister of New Zealand cannot speak on or in any 'marae'
then that 'marae' should be stripped of all the European technology.
European technology? Most technology is made in Asia these days.
Transport reduced to walking and waka.
No pensions or dole.
No supermarkets, phones, electricity, radio, newspapers, magazines or
TV.
No reticulated water supply or sewerage.
No modern medicine, ambo or fire brigade.
No modern fabrics or devices like hearing aids, glasses or pace makers.
They want to return to precolonial days.
Let them
The PM should just call their bluff and hold a celebration/commemoration
somewhere else.
Sure
If he can't deal with the critics for one day, he can run away.
On 3/02/2016 8:06 a.m., george152 wrote:
Time to stop the bullshit.
If the Prime Minister of New Zealand cannot speak on or in any 'marae'
then that 'marae' should be stripped of all the European technology.
Why? John Key didn't have anything to do with it.
Its their house, if he can't be humble and listen one day, thats his
problem.
He's just a politician, not a king.
His rights come from others, and the marae is their property.
Transport reduced to walking and waka.
No pensions or dole.
No supermarkets, phones, electricity, radio, newspapers, magazines or TV.
No reticulated water supply or sewerage.
No modern medicine, ambo or fire brigade.
No modern fabrics or devices like hearing aids, glasses or pace makers.
They want to return to precolonial days.
Let them
Those rights don't come from John Key.
Bet he didn't even buy a ticket to the Nines
Just breezed into some merchant banks corporate box to talk about making
it easier to skim more from real estate.
On 3/02/2016 10:02 a.m., Allistar wrote:
george152 wrote:
Time to stop the bullshit.
If the Prime Minister of New Zealand cannot speak on or in any 'marae'
then that 'marae' should be stripped of all the European technology.
European technology? Most technology is made in Asia these days.
Transport reduced to walking and waka.
No pensions or dole.
No supermarkets, phones, electricity, radio, newspapers, magazines or
TV.
No reticulated water supply or sewerage.
No modern medicine, ambo or fire brigade.
No modern fabrics or devices like hearing aids, glasses or pace makers.
They want to return to precolonial days.
Let them
The PM should just call their bluff and hold a celebration/commemoration
somewhere else.
Sure
If he can't deal with the critics for one day, he can run away.
"victor" <user1@example.net> wrote in message news:n93a1b$4l5$1@gioia.aioe.org...
On 3/02/2016 8:06 a.m., george152 wrote:
Time to stop the bullshit.
If the Prime Minister of New Zealand cannot speak on or in any 'marae'
then that 'marae' should be stripped of all the European technology.
Why? John Key didn't have anything to do with it.
Its their house, if he can't be humble and listen one day, thats his
problem.
He's just a politician, not a king.
His rights come from others, and the marae is their property.
Transport reduced to walking and waka.
No pensions or dole.
No supermarkets, phones, electricity, radio, newspapers, magazines or TV. >>> No reticulated water supply or sewerage.
No modern medicine, ambo or fire brigade.
No modern fabrics or devices like hearing aids, glasses or pace makers.
They want to return to precolonial days.
Let them
Those rights don't come from John Key.
Bet he didn't even buy a ticket to the Nines
Just breezed into some merchant banks corporate box to talk about making
it easier to skim more from real estate.
cite please and the twisted imaginings of your independant mind don't meet that criterion victoria.
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 12:08:27 +1300, victor <user1@example.net> wrote:
On 3/02/2016 8:06 a.m., george152 wrote:
Time to stop the bullshit.
If the Prime Minister of New Zealand cannot speak on or in any 'marae'
then that 'marae' should be stripped of all the European technology.
Why? John Key didn't have anything to do with it.
Its their house, if he can't be humble and listen one day, thats his >>problem.
He's just a politician, not a king.
His rights come from others, and the marae is their property.
Transport reduced to walking and waka.
No pensions or dole.
No supermarkets, phones, electricity, radio, newspapers, magazines or
TV.
No reticulated water supply or sewerage.
No modern medicine, ambo or fire brigade.
No modern fabrics or devices like hearing aids, glasses or pace makers.
They want to return to precolonial days.
Let them
Those rights don't come from John Key.
Bet he didn't even buy a ticket to the Nines
Just breezed into some merchant banks corporate box to talk about making
it easier to skim more from real estate.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/key-booed-cheered-at-auckland-nines-2016020615#ixzz3zM4o6d6m
I don't know about the merchant banker, but he did risk going on the
balcony. Paddy Gower summed it up; (see from 2:30 on) "a bit of that
grinding down third term stuff, happened Helen Clark as well." - along
with the fiction that Key "couldn't get into the place" regarding
Waitangi.
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