Hey all,
Most recenly I just finished user to user private split screen chat
which has been on my list for a long long time. I had a conversation
with someone via chat this weekend and they also wanted the feature so I spent yesterday and this morning working on it!
I have a big list of features and ideas for Mystic; I never seem to run out of ideas. But I thought I'd ask to see if anyone else wanted to
give their input (as I tend to do from time to time)
Most recenly I just finished user to user private split screen chat which has been on my list for a long long time. I had a conversation
OMG yes +100000 to this one! =D
What I'd like to do is have an idea of a litebar menu with multiple paging, sorting options, and the capability to display advanced info, based on a list of menu options. Think of it like this:
1 - I have ~50 doors
2 - I have a "doors" litebar menu that has a default display
Thoughts?
I am probably going to be working on a bunch of "quality of life" things for SysOps who don't really use a local console all that much. We can
all RDP into Windows or SSH into Linux to maintain our BBSes but I'd
like to get to the point where even that isn't needed most of the time.
I have a big list of features and ideas for Mystic; I never seem to run out of ideas. But I thought I'd ask to see if anyone else wanted to
give their input (as I tend to do from time to time)
I know this is probably going to be a "Hell No"... But I will throw it
out there anyway.
Mystic Dial-Up Capability?
I've heard some others asking if there is a Dial-Up version or something that can Dial-Up and then load/run Mystic.
because I don't have two phone lines and modems to support it. I could buy some hardware that would allow me to emulate phone lines but it'd cost several hundred dollars. Most of the people I've seen ask about this have
I wouldn't mind supporting it natively, but the reason why I don't is because I don't have two phone lines and modems to support it. I could buy some hardware that would allow me to emulate phone lines but it'd
cost several hundred dollars. Most of the people I've seen ask about
this have a VOIP phone line and they want to use it for a dialup BBS,
but VOIP isn't reliable enough to be used as a dialup BBS phone line
Understood. It was a thought because I do love Mystic and have wanted to have a Dial Up BBS for those that need it. But I'm sure that only about
3 people out of 7 Billion... :)
Thanks for the response. I have to say I think you are doing Great with Mystic... You Rock...
I have a big list of features and ideas for Mystic; I never seem to run out of ideas. But I thought I'd ask to see if anyone else wanted to
give their input (as I tend to do from time to time)
using HAM packet radio.
echicken may care to comment as I'm aware he created some tool that would work for Synchronet systems and I'm hopeful he may be able to shed some
technical light on what would be required for a server option within Mystic like this.
On 02-05-19 16:25, Avon wrote to g00r00 <=-
On 04 Feb 2019 at 06:41p, g00r00 pondered and said...
I am probably going to be working on a bunch of "quality of life" things for SysOps who don't really use a local console all that much. We can
all RDP into Windows or SSH into Linux to maintain our BBSes but I'd
like to get to the point where even that isn't needed most of the time.
Heh I VNC to a headless box to my win 7 desktop then run a local
console.. so I must be one of the outliers :)
On 02-05-19 11:57, garycrunk wrote to g00r00 <=-
I know this is probably going to be a "Hell No"... But I will throw it
out there anyway.
Mystic Dial-Up Capability?
I've heard some others asking if there is a Dial-Up version or
something that can Dial-Up and then load/run Mystic.
Understood. It was a thought because I do love Mystic and have wanted to have a Dial Up BBS for those that need it. But I'm sure that only about
3 people out of 7 Billion... :)
Thanks for the response. I have to say I think you are doing Great with Mystic... You Rock...
This is one I've mentioned before and I confess I don't know as much
about how to set it up as I would like to (being that I am a HAM radio operator) but I'd love it if Mystic could offer a server that works with the AX.25 protocol. As I hope that would allow me to offer a Mystic BBS over the air using HAM packet radio.
Has anyone tried using something like SEXPOTS with Mystic?
There are a couple of options to do this. In unix-based systems Mystic can optionally be ran as a shell replacement so you can use something
like mgetty in Linux to support dialup.
So in theory anything that can get to a Linux login prompt can work with Mystic, and that should include dialup and AX.25. For Windows, I don't know if there is solution.
You'd probably have to make a really minimal theme specifically designed for radio because these big ANSI interfaces probably won't translate
well.
It was pretty broken, and even though it worked for me nobody else could figure out how to use it. I hope to get back to it someday, but it's a lot of annoyance for little reward.
The documentation of the protocol is pretty shabby in places. It can be
a pain to implement properly past a certain point. You'd be best off looking for an external solution that handles AX.25 connections and then acts as a gateway to a telnet server or some arbitrary socket service.
On the server side, if presenting a BBS interface, bear in mind:
Most connections are simplex. Most connections are slow AF. If your UI normally does spinning cursors and animated prompts or pushes a blinking cursor at the client, it needs to not do that here, because basically every change will mean another packet going out.
Using a packet BBS is fun at first and then quickly gets boring. If I were to approach this again, I'd probably focus more on message transfer and less on a straight UI. (Let BBSs talk to each other over the air, read stuff offline or over the internet.)
I've got all kinds of different ideas about this and could say a lot
more ... but I won't for now.
On 02-05-19 21:50, g00r00 wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Has anyone tried using something like SEXPOTS with Mystic?
Not sure about SEXPOTS but there have been dialup Mystic boards in the past using mgetty in Linux, and plenty of them way back in the day when dialup was natively supported by Mystic. I don't know that anyone has done it recently though.
Its just not worth it in the US at least because VOIP phone lines don't work and analog phone lines cost a fortune, if you can even get them anymore where you live.
Its too bad VOIP wasn't more reliable, because with these phone
packages we could all have dialup BBSes with no long distance charges
that do not rely on the Internet at all. I think that'd be awesome.
On 02-05-19 21:23, echicken wrote to Avon <=-
The documentation of the protocol is pretty shabby in places. It can
be a pain to implement properly past a certain point. You'd be best
off looking for an external solution that handles AX.25 connections and then acts as a gateway to a telnet server or some arbitrary socket service.
On the server side, if presenting a BBS interface, bear in mind:
Most connections are simplex. Most connections are slow AF. If your
UI normally does spinning cursors and animated prompts or pushes a blinking cursor at the client, it needs to not do that here, because basically every change will mean another packet going out.
Many clients only transmit stuff when a buffer fills up or the user
hits enter, whichever comes first, and that CR, LF, or both usually
gets sent along. Menus, etc. need to take this into account (eg. no hotkeys).
Using a packet BBS is fun at first and then quickly gets boring. If I were to approach this again, I'd probably focus more on message
transfer and less on a straight UI. (Let BBSs talk to each other over
the air, read stuff offline or over the internet.)
I've got all kinds of different ideas about this and could say a lot
more ... but I won't for now.
On 02-05-19 21:48, g00r00 wrote to Avon <=-
If you are using Linux you should be able to make Mystic available by AX.25 in the same way that dialup is supported. When a user logs in
they end up getting a shell, which is just a software application.
Mystic can run as a shell, essentially replacing a command prompt with
the BBS.
So in theory anything that can get to a Linux login prompt can work
with Mystic, and that should include dialup and AX.25. For Windows, I don't know if there is solution.
You'd probably have to make a really minimal theme specifically
designed for radio because these big ANSI interfaces probably won't translate well.
can I ask how I would go about running mis in daemon mode while also having a single instance of mgetty spawning mystic as a shell? I think I can cast my mind back far enough to remember how to mess around with getting mgetty to answer a modem, but I'm unsure of running mis at the same time as spawning a single instance of mystic.
So in theory anything that can get to a Linux login prompt can work w Mystic, and that should include dialup and AX.25. For Windows, I don know if there is solution.
Yeah I know little of the Linux options but as you know for me, for the most part, I'm running windows stuff. But thanks for the info.
Can't get real POTS lines here anymore, VoIP is the only game in town. But VoIP _should_ work, provided you're able to run g.721 (a or u), because that as the coding used on digital POTS exchanges since at least as far back as the 1980s.
If you run ax25d, you should be able to get Mystic to launch on connection.
As well as no hotkeys, lightbars or spinning cursors. :)
1: For the classic file listing method it would be nice to have an "End
of File listing" (pause) prompt.
2: The classic File Listing wastes a lot of file description space
caused by the "Tag" prompt. It would be nice if the tag is displayed immediately after the last line (without empty line) and removed (replaced) by the next line of the description when the user continues.
Example Now:
Filename .... etc etc description line 1
description line 2
description line 3
(t)ag file etc
description line 4
1. configurable area ID + sorting on ID instead of sorting on name (or regenerate IDs when areas (bases) are inserted).
2. configurable location (path) of the File header files
3. configurable location (path) of the File base files
1. Option to switch to a different theme via a autocmd menu option
2. Option to set a security level to a theme
1. Option to switch to a different theme via a autocmd menu option
2. Option to set a security level to a theme
Another idea would be to make a deeper file structuring. currently you
can only create a group and then individual filebases. It would be
better if you could create several groups together. as an an example ....
Audiofiles -> Dance Music -> MP3
Unfortunately, this is something that can only be solved via menus.
They're made to work together. You can run ./mystic while MIS is
running, so if you have mgetty run ./mystic that should be all you need
to do.
They're made to work together. You can run ./mystic while MIS is running, so if you have mgetty run ./mystic that should be all you ne to do.
So what node number does the stand-alone mystic process run at?
Has anyone tried using something like SEXPOTS with Mystic?
It finds one when you run it, so it varies like any other connection to Mystic. You can have MIS telnet, SSH and RLOGIN all going alongside things like mgetty, inetxd, ax25d etc.
All you have to do is run ./mystic and nothing else, and it should just work! :)
Another idea would be to make a deeper file structuring. currently you
can only create a group and then individual filebases. It would be
better if you could create several groups together. as an an example .... Windows -> Games -> Adventure
-> Arcade
-> Puzzle
Audiofiles -> Dance Music -> MP3
| Sysop: | sneaky |
|---|---|
| Location: | Ashburton,NZ |
| Users: | 2 |
| Nodes: | 8 (0 / 8) |
| Uptime: | 130:34:17 |
| Calls: | 2,128 |
| Calls today: | 1 |
| Files: | 11,149 |
| D/L today: |
19 files (9,570K bytes) |
| Messages: | 950,987 |