• Re: Corona Virus-Economic downfall

    From xqtr@21:1/111 to Spectre on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 06:41:04
    One suspects if the outlook becomes that dire, and you wouldn't expect that the EU will be able to bale Greece out a second time, that you
    might in some fashion lose complete control of your economy. Whether
    they take it, or someone has to hand the reins over I would not be surprised if the EU takes it in hand. Or alternatively, the entire EU falls over, and individual members are left to fend for themselves again.

    This is very possible to happen. It's not just Greece, it's whole Europe. Italy, Spain, Germany etc.

    I don't think that the Brexit was just a thing that happened. ;) After all this we may see a different Europe and EU.

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  • From xqtr@21:1/111 to Phoobar on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:47:38
    It all ready happened. Many EU countries have closed their borders an even flights to countries that don't share borders. Italy, Spain, Austria, Albania, Greece, Turkey and more, are more or less isolated between them and other countries.

    I hate to bring this up...but with the right-wingers dreaming of this happening any way possible...do you think they will be setting up their own places to recreate history of the 1930's?

    A lot of things, lately, are similar to the 1930s, even before the corona virus. It seems that we are in a pre-war era, like the people in the 1920s. Even if a war doesn't happen (cause we are so civilized today) we certainly will see dramatic and drastic changes.

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  • From niter3@21:1/199 to xqtr on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 14:15:05
    A lot of things, lately, are similar to the 1930s, even before the corona virus. It seems that we are in a pre-war era, like the people in the 1920s. Even if a war doesn't happen (cause we are so civilized today) we certainly will see dramatic and drastic changes.


    Sure seems like we are heading that way. I sure hope we don't end up in a depression.

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  • From xqtr@21:1/111 to niter3 on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 20:03:32
    Sure seems like we are heading that way. I sure hope we don't end up in a depression.

    We are living in it ;) Some feel it more, some less... but it is here.

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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to niter3 on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 09:51:00
    Sure seems like we are heading that way. I sure hope we don't end up in a depression.

    At this point in the short to mid term you'd have to think its inevitable. As it all wears off though it'll probably come back with a vengence...

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to xqtr on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 18:23:44
    A lot of things, lately, are similar to the 1930s, even before the corona virus. It seems that we are in a pre-war era, like the people in the 1920s. Even if a war doesn't happen (cause we are so civilized today) we certainly will see dramatic and drastic changes.

    My gosh! Someone who has studied history & learned from it. You don't realize how surprising/refreshing that is.

    Stay safe & try to stay 1 step ahead of the situation. Both of us are aware
    of this.

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  • From mastermind@21:1/101 to xqtr on Friday, March 20, 2020 19:09:05
    I don't think that the Brexit was just a thing that happened. ;) After all this we may see a different Europe and EU.

    we may see a different world. currently, at 10:00pm 3/19/2020 my kids state
    of california are enforcing a state wide shelter in place order. the meat and potatoes of the actual order can be found here:

    https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/CDPH%20Document%20Library/COVID-19/He alth%20Order%203.19.2020.pdf

    in said order, only essential services will remain open, and while that is 16 sectors, there is plenty of room for complete government control here... info on identifying critical infrastructures during covid-19 government form can
    be found here:

    https://www.cisa.gov/identifying-critical-infrastructure-during-covid-19

    california has stated in black and white that they forecast 56% of california will be infected with the covid-19 virus within two months. they state that this will not be enforced by law enforcement...

    from all the italy vs america numbers i've run down, i think the united
    states of america will enact a similar shelter in place order by this
    weekend; if not, early next week.

    i cant believe were fixing to experience martial law. they are dotting i's
    and crossing t's, its all laid out in black and white for us now...

    also, the republicans are going to push through THEIR fiscal response,
    because they own the majority... the democrats state that by first read of
    the suggested stimulus funds, it looks like the package doesnt serve the working people, and more the corporation with the stimulus package.

    this is our america!

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  • From mastermind@21:1/101 to niter3 on Friday, March 20, 2020 19:17:03

    On 17 Mar 2020 at 02:15p, niter3 pondered and said...

    A lot of things, lately, are similar to the 1930s, even before the co virus. It seems that we are in a pre-war era, like the people in the 1920s. Even if a war doesn't happen (cause we are so civilized today) certainly will see dramatic and drastic changes.


    Sure seems like we are heading that way. I sure hope we don't end up in a depression.

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    how can we not experience a depression? the world is closing down; even if
    only for two months its like...

    i am amazed at the events i see unfolding around me.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to mastermind on Thursday, March 19, 2020 23:47:19
    i cant believe were fixing to experience martial law. they are dotting
    i's and crossing t's, its all laid out in black and white for us now...

    Honestly, a month or two of martial law and closed borders could contain this well enough that we'd be able to go back to normal before long. I just don't know how effective something like that would be if the rest of the world doesn't do much of the same.

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  • From mastermind@21:1/101 to ryan on Friday, March 20, 2020 19:57:25
    On 19 Mar 2020 at 11:47p, ryan pondered and said...

    i cant believe were fixing to experience martial law. they are dottin i's and crossing t's, its all laid out in black and white for us now.

    Honestly, a month or two of martial law and closed borders could contain this well enough that we'd be able to go back to normal before long. I just don't know how effective something like that would be if the rest
    of the world doesn't do much of the same.

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    i agree with you; and as an american an ready to do whatever will knock this thing out. i believe that we could keep our borders closed, if we can get through the curve and recurances here.

    M@STERMiND

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to ryan on Friday, March 20, 2020 19:13:00
    On 03-19-20 23:47, ryan wrote to mastermind <=-

    i cant believe were fixing to experience martial law. they are dotting
    i's and crossing t's, its all laid out in black and white for us now...

    Honestly, a month or two of martial law and closed borders could
    contain this well enough that we'd be able to go back to normal before long. I just don't know how effective something like that would be if
    the rest of the world doesn't do much of the same.

    The closed borders that many countries have, including here in Australia, should help to a good extent. I can see our borders being closed for 6 months or more, regardless of how the infection pans out domestically.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to mastermind on Friday, March 20, 2020 19:15:00
    On 03-20-20 19:57, mastermind wrote to ryan <=-

    i agree with you; and as an american an ready to do whatever will knock this thing out. i believe that we could keep our borders closed, if we
    can get through the curve and recurances here.

    I think countries keeping their borders closed will be the biggest barrier we can put in the way to slow or stop the spread of the virus between countries, until a vaccine is available.


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  • From xqtr@21:1/111 to mastermind on Friday, March 20, 2020 10:56:02
    this is our america!

    This happens all over the world, it's not just you. Have to have our eyes open and specially our minds calm and foresee things. This situation can quickly go very bad globally.

    Stay safe!

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  • From mastermind@21:1/101 to xqtr on Saturday, March 21, 2020 02:25:54
    On 20 Mar 2020 at 10:56a, xqtr pondered and said...

    this is our america!

    This happens all over the world, it's not just you. Have to have our
    eyes open and specially our minds calm and foresee things. This
    situation can quickly go very bad globally.

    i agree; i fear that it already has, that we are a month behind what is actually coarsing thru the viens of the world.

    the world. again, i am here with my fellow humans - i dont mean to post
    skewed towards the needs or issues of the United States - its just where im
    at.

    we're all trying to make sense, stay safe and fucking get EVERYONE to join
    this cause - the sheeple will be the peoples downfall.

    M@STERMiND

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