Do you think Linux will take over Windows one day?
Hello The,
Do you think Linux will take over Windows one day?
Not in the desktop market.
Ttyl :-),
Al
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Windows looks like it's going after those who play games on their PC's,
it also looks like Windows is less interested in those who develop their own application (or program).
Windows looks like it's going after those who play games on their PC's,
it also looks like Windows is less interested in those who develop their
own application (or program).
I think WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) makes this...no longer the
case.
Gaming works better on Windows for a bunch of reasons, and now I can
do my
dev work on Windows as well. Seems like a home run. :/
I do like linux at times, but Windows works for me now. I guess we'll
see, at
the end of the day.
Not in the desktop market.
I hear next year is the year of the Linux desktop. Although that's
been more or less the case the last ten years or so. :)
Not in the desktop market.
I hear next year is the year of the Linux desktop. Although that's
been more or less the case the last ten years or so. :)
I have used linux exclusively for more than a decade. Why folks stick
with windows I don't know but that's what they do.
I really have no problem with windows but I prefer open source,
largely.
Ttyl :-)
Do you think Linux will take over Windows one day?
Do you think Linux will take over Windows one day?
It is starting to get there. But I think before it can become any
kind of SERIOUS contender it is going to have to get a LOT better
with gaming. Granted there are a few decent linux native games, and
a few that are cross platform, but it is still a bit lacking.
Do you think Linux will take over Windows one day?
$ The Millionaire $
WSL is super-nice but fast it is not.
I use it heavily on my servers and on the desktop too, although I must admit I much prefer the Mac's UI to anything coming from the Linux
camp or from Redmond.
I posted earlier about me dumping the Mac and going with either
Windows 10 or Linux and after using Windows 10 and WSL for a few weeks
I wiped that and went with Fedora 31 instead. I much prefer it but as
I said - the lever of polish you get from Apple is yet to be beaten by anyone.
Is that really something for Linux to get better at? Linux is already
very good at running games, the problem there is that Game developers rarely release Linux versions of their games, which I guess isn't particularly surprising given linux gamers make up less that 1% of
gamers (from steam's latest monthly poll).
Is that really something for Linux to get better at? Linux is already
very good at running games, the problem there is that Game developers rarely release Linux versions of their games, which I guess isn't particularly surprising given linux gamers make up less that 1% of
gamers (from steam's latest monthly poll).
And the thing is, most of the developers WRITE and DESIGN the games using Linux and then port them to the other platforms. There's really no reason why they can't release the original Linux versions along side the other
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And the thing is, most of the developers WRITE and DESIGN the
games using Linux and then port them to the other platforms.
There's really no reason why they can't release the original
Linux versions along side the other
Most modern games are written with HEAVY integration to a graphics
layer such as DirectX. Lots of tooling allows for multiple engines,
but focus goes hand in hand with a particular(s). The other part
of this is video card drivers doign the exact same thing. Since
Microsoft & DirectX dominate, that's often where the power is. This
has started to shift a bit with many games running very very well
under Linux, but it still has a way to go.
On 12-04-19 11:06, ryan wrote to Beanzilla <=-
I think WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) makes this...no longer the
case. Gaming works better on Windows for a bunch of reasons, and now I
can do my dev work on Windows as well. Seems like a home run. :/
I do like linux at times, but Windows works for me now. I guess we'll
see, at the end of the day.
I have a large selection of games if I use the windows version of steam with wine but I don't. I play a bunch of native games on linux.
I have a large selection of games if I use the windows version of
steam with wine but I don't. I play a bunch of native games on
linux.
Supposedly, Steam is changing that now. Many Windows games are
playable under them now. I have not seen this, just read the
propaganda release a couple of weeks ago.
Maybe for some games, but I would say most games these days are written with some kind of engine like Unity which abstracts that away, with
unity you just set your target and it will spit out your game for
Windows, Mac or Linux, using DirectX, Metal or Vulkan (or OpenGL). I haven't used Unreal Engine, but I assume that's pretty much the same.
I recently blew away Windows in my gaming rig to see how feasible
Linux as a full gaming platform would be. With a Radeon Vega card and new-ish hardware, gaming was terrible. Everything was hacky and
constantly broken. I get that there are things that work well in linux nowadays, but none of it feels sustainable or permanent, whereas with Windows, it's a two-click solution to get into really any game I want.
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Do you think Linux will take over Windows one day?
release linux version anymore. I'm thinking Doom 3 and the current Doom here. I play Doom 3 with dhewm3 but I'm not sure I'll ever see the current Doom in action, not that I really care.
I dunno, might be just me, but these subsequent 3d jobs don't have the impact that QIII had. It suffers a little from the limitations of its time, texture and memory wise when you look at the original release version, but it stands up pretty well.
These new versions seem to be much the same to me, just with spiffier textures and maybe sounds.
I still enjoy a round of Doom from time to time although the looks
of games have changed that one is still fun to play. I wouldn't
show that to anyone new though.. along with UT99.. great fun.. :)
For all its appalling resolution, DOOM had the best monsters :) I
managed to borrow a free standing "work" PC for a 4 way lan part with
the guys I was working with back then. Was indeed good times. Not
sure why, but UT in any version has never appealed for some reason.
I use an nvidia card on rigs I plan to use for gaming, and they always rock nicely.
I don't prefer nvidia over ATI or AMD.. I have stuck with that because
it has always worked for me. I have never bought an expensive card. My last cards were less than $100.00.
Frankly, the GPU worked fine, it was just trying to get games
working which is hacky and not sustainable the way things are
currently. Custom wine configs per game, or steam configs per game,
which need to be tweaked constantly. Not to mention every time a
game is updated, things break. GTA V didn't work - that's a non
starter for me :)
Frankly, the GPU worked fine, it was just trying to get games
working which is hacky and not sustainable the way things are
currently. Custom wine configs per game, or steam configs per game,
which need to be tweaked constantly. Not to mention every time a
game is updated, things break. GTA V didn't work - that's a non
starter for me :)
Yeah, but that's not really an issue with Linux, it's an issue with the Games you're trying to run.
Which is partly why I say WINE hurts linux Gaming as much as it helps,
it gives game developers another excuse not to do a proper port for
Linux (and sometimes macOS).
Native linux games generally run well - sometimes there are library problems due to binary only games depending on old libs.
Yeah, but that's not really an issue with Linux, it's an issue
with the Games you're trying to run.
Which is partly why I say WINE hurts linux Gaming as much as
it helps, it gives game developers another excuse not to do a
proper port for Linux (and sometimes macOS).
Fair points, I simply don't think there's much financial ROI trying
to make games work well/natively on linux. Ultimately, these are commercial game companies, and they have to put money where the
market is. *shrug*
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Hello Joacim,
admit I much prefer the Mac's UI to anything coming from the Linux
I have never seen a mac in action so I don't know what you are looking
at.
Valve getting behind linux with Steam after their licensing run in with Microsoft was a huge thing, but I think it's kind of plateauing. There
are lots of games for linux though, just not so many of the more popular ones.
Yeah, you can find some real jems in the Linux app store for free, you just have to wade through the garbage to find them. Like I just started playing one called "0 A.D." that is an RTS kind of along the lines of "Civilization", or the old "Black and White", or even the original "Warcraft". ---
I hear next year is the year of the Linux desktop. Although that's been more or less the case the last ten years or so. :)
I think WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) makes this...no longer the case
Gaming works better on Windows for a bunch of reasons
UT is awesome fun, I really like those maps. UT2K3 or UT2K4 are graphically superior but UT is great fun.
Native linux games generally run well - sometimes there are library problems due to binary only games depending on old libs.
Valve getting behind linux with Steam after their licensing run in with Microsoft was a huge thing, but I think it's kind of plateauing. There
are lots of games for linux though, just not so many of the more popular ones.
With Microsoft supporting BASH and a Linux subsystem under Windows, I'd say that Linux is winning.
I tend to be suspicious of Microsoft's motivations for doing what they do.. In the back of my mind, sometimes I think they must have something up their sleeve or some reason they're supporting Linux now. In the
past, Microsoft has had a strategy to embrace, extend, and extinguish to get rid of competition, so I sometimes wonder if that's what they're trying to do with Linux.
Do you think Linux will take over Windows one day?
$ The Millionaire $
Sadly, no. But the leaps and bounds that GNU/Linux has made in just
the past
decade alone has made it an exciting development for so many people
that I
think it will always have it's place. The good place!
Hello Joacim,
I use it heavily on my servers and on the desktop too, although I must
admit I much prefer the Mac's UI to anything coming from the Linux
camp or from Redmond.
I have never seen a mac in action so I don't know what you are looking
at.
I posted earlier about me dumping the Mac and going with either
Windows 10 or Linux and after using Windows 10 and WSL for a few weeks
I wiped that and went with Fedora 31 instead. I much prefer it but as
I said - the lever of polish you get from Apple is yet to be beaten by
anyone.
I myself, use the xfce desktop and that works well for me. One of the
nice
things about open source is that we have a large selection of
interfaces to
choose from.
There was at one time the next step interface. I forget what that was
based on,
it might have been the mac but I'm not sure and I never did have a
look at it.
I haven't heard of that recently so I'm not sure if it's still being worked or
not.
I tend to be suspicious of Microsoft's motivations for doing what
they do.. In the back of my mind, sometimes I think they must have
something up their sleeve or some reason they're supporting Linux
now. In the past, Microsoft has had a strategy to embrace, extend,
and extinguish to get rid of competition, so I sometimes wonder if
that's what they're trying to do with Linux.
They want to capture web dev on windows...both front and backend. They want people to combine a local dev workflow with code hosting and revisioning on github (which they own) and quick deployment on azure (which they built). It's an end-to-end dev experience.
Honestly, dev work in Windows nowadays is great. It's my preferred desktop
They're going after Apple, and it's a good thing IMO. I was glad to get rid of my Macbook and its silly dongles, lack of function keys, crappy keyboard, no 32 bit compatibility...
Re: Re: Linux vs. Windows
By: ryan to Nightfox on Wed Dec 11 2019 09:39 pm
I've never seen any problems doing web dev on Windows.. I don't see why Microsoft would have any problem getting web developers on board.
I think dev work on Windows has always been fairly good. Microsoft's Visual Studio has been around a very long time and is a good IDE, probably the best IDE & compiler to use for Windows for C++, C#, etc..
Yeah, those are some reasons I'm not too keen on Apple myself.
Nightfox
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After Steve Jobs passed away, Tim Cook is nothing compared to him.
...
Honestly, dev work in Windows nowadays is great. It's my preferred
desktop OS. They aren't going after linux...the desktop market share is tiny. They're going after Apple, and it's a good thing IMO. I was glad
to get rid of my Macbook and its silly dongles, lack of function keys, crappy keyboard, no 32 bit compatibility...
Honestly, dev work in Windows nowadays is great. It's my preferred
desktop OS. They aren't going after linux...the desktop market share is tiny. They're going after Apple, and it's a good thing IMO. I was glad
to get rid of my Macbook and its silly dongles, lack of function keys, crappy keyboard, no 32 bit compatibility...
Re: Re: Linux vs. Windows
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Dec 12 2019 06:54 pm
Yeah, it seems Apple might not be doing as well with Steve Jobs gone. One thing I did like from back in the 90s was Apple allowing other computer makers to make Mac clones, and Steve Jobs stopped that when he came back to Apple.
Nightfox
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After Steve Jobs passed away, Tim Cook is nothing compared to him.
The wheels fell off Apple way back when The Woz had his light plane accident and never really returned.
The Millionaire wrote to All <=-
According to Distrowatch, MX Linux is #1 OS right now!
But their market cap is over 1 trillion dollars now! How do they do it I wonder?
a downhill slope these days though. My wife has an iPhone that isn't
very old that has been slow and sometimes freezes up in some cases.
People like their products.. I think some of it my be hype (people seem to like Macs for creative work, but I think the same type of work
can be done on a Windows PC, and in some cases on Linux too). They
might be on a downhill slope these days though. My wife has an
iPhone that isn't very old that has been slow and sometimes freezes
up in some cases.
Once upon a time, if you wanted to do "graphics", publishing stuff. The Mac was
your only real system available. Fixed at 72dpi display it gave the closest screen image of what you were going to print, and the print quality was also exceedingly high for the time. I think that bled over into the advertising world and by extension the arty farty world, because it was a print media standard. However those days are long gone, and I suspect the "creative" thing is just a hang over these days.
The other thing they seem to have lost the plot on is quality control and product finish. They appear to be pushing product for the sake of pushing product, not because its actually "NEW" and improved, its more like new and buggy. This used to be pretty much unheard of in the Apple world.
Re: Re: Linux vs. Windows
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Dec 12 2019 06:54 pm
After Steve Jobs passed away, Tim Cook is nothing compared to him.
Yeah, it seems Apple might not be doing as well with Steve Jobs gone.
One
thing I did like from back in the 90s was Apple allowing other
computer makers
to make Mac clones, and Steve Jobs stopped that when he came back to
Apple.
Nightfox
Re: Re: Linux vs. Windows
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Thu Dec 12 2019 06:54 pm
Yeah, it seems Apple might not be doing as well with Steve Jobs gone. One >> thing I did like from back in the 90s was Apple allowing other computer >> makers to make Mac clones, and Steve Jobs stopped that when he came back to >> Apple.
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But their market cap is over 1 trillion dollars now! How do they do
it I
wonder?
They make shit people want to buy and then sell tons of it at very high prices.
The business aspect of Apple is actually doing a helluva lot better with Cook at the helm compared to Jobs. But if you take things like vision, ideas and actually giving a damn about stuff that matters, then Apple is more or less like any other major computer manufacturer these days. With Cook at the helm they're a spreadsheet run company more than when Jobs
was still around when they where run both by emotions and spreadsheets.
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I ran into him in a karaoke bar in Japantown in San Francisco (that structure on Geary with all the good ramen places). He was rocking out
to some Beatles tunes. Was one of the more surreal and cool experiences
of my life :)
Terry Roati wrote to Nightfox <=-
Do a backup and a full reset on the iphone.
Spectre wrote to Nightfox <=-
Once upon a time, if you wanted to do "graphics", publishing stuff. The Mac was your only real system available. Fixed at 72dpi display it
gave the closest screen image of what you were going to print
Joacim Melin wrote to The Millionaire <=-
They make shit people want to buy and then sell tons of it at very high prices.
Nightfox wrote to Dr. What <=-
I tend to be suspicious of Microsoft's motivations for doing what they do.. In
the back of my mind, sometimes I think they must have something up
their sleeve or some reason they're supporting Linux now. In the past, Microsoft has
had a strategy to embrace, extend, and extinguish to get rid of competition, so I sometimes wonder if that's what they're trying to do with Linux.
This was back in the OS8/9 days, when the state of MacOS was a
dumpster fire of bugginess.
I will also point out that operating systems were never a product that people wanted to pay for. For a while it gave Microsoft more power over the market since the vast majority of people were running Windows, but that time is over. People now use their PCs mainly for getting on the web or accessing other services (like Facebook) and they are doing it with phones and tablets - not desktop PCs.
I got taken into a room once for a test... There was a Mac there and I thought, ew gawd I'm not getting this contract. The test was a task to be completed (normally thought the company's web gui control panel - totally unlike cPanel.
I told the guy I was Mac stupid in my first interview, but they still stuck a Mac in front of me for the test when they called me back, so I asked the guy
if it would be alright if I just did the test in the shell.
"He said something like, "You can do that?", to which I responded with something like, "Oh sure no problem, but... can you bring up a shell for me on this box coz inside it's just FreeBSD and once I have a shell I can do whatever you want."
There was an offer letter in my inbox waiting for me when I got home.
The other thing they seem to have lost the plot on is quality control and product finish. They appear to be pushing product for the sake of
pushing product, not because its actually "NEW" and improved, its more like new and buggy. This used to be pretty much unheard of in the Apple world.
I think Apple's main struggle right now is that they are run by marketing teams and not engineers. Evidently there's quite a bit of internal thrash over there...my next door neighbor works in marketing at the Cupertino campus. She says there's a lot of internal drama, and she's actually on
the side of the engineers on this one.
Joacim Melin wrote to The Millionaire <=-
They make shit people want to buy and then sell tons of it at very high
prices.
You'd mentioned the changes Jobs made, halting licensing of Mac
hardware. He
also killed the Newton, which, imagine if Apple had kept developing.
They
would have gotten into the cash cow of personal computing earlier,
maybe
came out with a phone/newton before the Treo, and who knows what the iPhone
would look like now?
I passed up the opportunity for a Newton 120, modem, and a ton of accessories back in the 1990s, and instead went for a Palm Pilot. I
miss the
Newton, was tempted to fine one online somewhere.
That, or a DOS palmtop.
But I also remember seeing HPUX and AIX merge into Linux and what I see happening with Windows is what HP and IBM were doing with their Unix products.
Joacim Melin wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Second - the Newton myth was better than the Newton product. Sure, it
was ahead of it's time but it was also too far ahead of it's time. I Newton, the 130 model I think, and tried to use it for a month. When
those 30 days where over I very quickly went back to my Palm pilot
again and never looked back.
Dr. What wrote to Nightfox <=-
I will also point out that operating systems were never a product that people wanted to pay for. For a while it gave Microsoft more power
over the market since the vast majority of people were running Windows, but that time is over.
the web or accessing other services (like Facebook) and they are doing
it with phones and tablets - not desktop PCs.
I think that the OS wars are pretty much over. People want their
systems to do things. And what OS their system runs is not relevant as long as it does those things. And if Windows makes your PC cost $100
more than Linux, then people will choose Linux.
That happened when the first netbooks came out. Asus eee PC was
supposed to run Windows. But it wasn't powerful enough to run the
current Windows and Microsoft wouldn't sell licenses for Win95
Spectre wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
This was back in the OS8/9 days, when the state of MacOS was a
dumpster fire of bugginess.
I don't recall the OS being that buggy, but I never actually owned one
so I only got everything second hand through the evangelist. :) At
about OS9 I don't think the Wintel empire was doing any better though.
No mate, HPUX and AIX are still very much alive and well and they have not merged into Linux.
No mate, HPUX and AIX are still very much alive and well and they have not
merged into Linux.
I think the only one that really "hit the wall" was A/UX. The wheels
fell off
it when it didn't support PPP and they decided that was it. Pull the
plug. I
think this was back at about OS7/8 somewhere... and there were already mumblings about OSX being nix based.
Joacim Melin wrote to Dr. What <=-
No mate, HPUX and AIX are still very much alive and well and they have
not merged into Linux.
Joacim Melin wrote to Dr. What <=-
No mate, HPUX and AIX are still very much alive and well and
they have not merged into Linux.
Both are Linux compatible and most of the internal code is from the
Linux code base. I remember when we upgraded our AIX boxes about
10 years ago and worked with the IBM techs. They were rather
talkative about the changes.
Joacim Melin wrote to Dr. What <=-
No mate, HPUX and AIX are still very much alive and well and
they have not merged into Linux.
Both are Linux compatible and most of the internal code is from the
Linux code base. I remember when we upgraded our AIX boxes about
10 years ago and worked with the IBM techs. They were rather
talkative about the changes.
I doubt they contain any Linux kernel code, else they would have to
GPL
them. I suspect you're thinking of the GNU user land stuff which Linux uses.
Andrew
I once got into a very heated argument with a person who was 100% convinced that Mac OS X was built on Linux. I slowly but surely asked lots of question on how this person arrived at that conclusion and after navigating passed the obvious ones ("They all have X in the name!") we arrived at the core of his theory: Linux and Mac OS X both had a terminal that run Bash and have the same commands (ls, pwd, more, etc) and therefor Mac OS X was built on Linux.
I explanied. And I explained some more. I'm not sure I ever got the guy to fully understand but I did my best and I will let history judge me.
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I explanied. And I explained some more. I'm not sure I ever got the guy
to fully understand but I did my best and I will let history judge me.
navigating passed the obvious ones ("They all have X in the name!") we arrived at the core of his theory: Linux and Mac OS X both had a
terminal that run Bash and have the same commands (ls, pwd, more, etc)
and therefor Mac OS X was built on Linux.
I explanied. And I explained some more. I'm not sure I ever got the guy
to fully understand but I did my best and I will let history judge me.
"I will let history judge me" hahah I love this and plan to steal it,
hope
you don't mind my plagiarism :P
navigating passed the obvious ones ("They all have X in the name!") we
arrived at the core of his theory: Linux and Mac OS X both had a
terminal that run Bash and have the same commands (ls, pwd, more, etc)
and therefor Mac OS X was built on Linux.
So...I take it that even though BSD/Unix/Linux can all use BASH...does
he
understand that Darwin & BSD don't have an "X" in their names? ;) I
take it
that because I can buy corn at the grocery store & listen to
them...that it
also doesn't exist as a terminal on x-type OS's?
So...I take it that even though BSD/Unix/Linux can all use BASH...does understand that Darwin & BSD don't have an "X" in their names? ;) II'm not sure what to answer here except that there are Bash in non *nix operating systems too.
By: tallship to Al on Sun Dec 08 2019 12:46 am
I told the guy I was Mac stupid in my first interview, but they still s a Mac in front of me for the test when they called me back, so I asked guy
if it would be alright if I just did the test in the shell.
"He said something like, "You can do that?", to which I responded with something like, "Oh sure no problem, but... can you bring up a shell fo on this box coz inside it's just FreeBSD and once I have a shell I can whatever you want."
There was an offer letter in my inbox waiting for me when I got home.
So, did you accept the offer?
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