• Star Trek Picard

    From Oli@21:1/151 to All on Friday, January 24, 2020 14:25:57
    The Pilot was such a dissapointment ... :(

    I hope it will get a bit better (I doubt it). With Alison Pill and Jeri Ryan there is at least some hope (but I wouldn't be surprised if they mess up the character of Seven of Nine too)


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  • From Captain Obvious@21:1/157 to Oli on Friday, January 24, 2020 13:16:07
    On 24 Jan 2020, Oli said the following...

    The Pilot was such a dissapointment ... :(

    I quite enjoyed it. I have read where a lot of critics were disappointed in
    the second and third episodes, which were made available to them by CBS.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Oli on Saturday, January 25, 2020 08:49:30

    On 24 Jan 2020 at 02:25p, Oli pondered and said...

    The Pilot was such a dissapointment ... :(

    Oh no... I'm hoping to get access to watch this in the coming weeks..

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Oli on Friday, January 24, 2020 11:59:50
    The Pilot was such a dissapointment ... :(

    Damn! (picard voice)

    I was pretty excited for this...still am. Was hoping to watch it this
    weekend. Grrr...

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Oli on Saturday, January 25, 2020 06:58:00
    On 01-24-20 14:25, Oli wrote to All <=-

    The Pilot was such a dissapointment ... :(

    Bummer, that doesn't sound good. :( I'm going to have to wait until I get home. TV is the last thing on my mind this weekend! :D

    I hope it will get a bit better (I doubt it). With Alison Pill and Jeri Ryan there is at least some hope (but I wouldn't be surprised if they
    mess up the character of Seven of Nine too)

    Time will tell. :)


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to ryan on Saturday, January 25, 2020 09:10:03
    On 24 Jan 2020 at 11:59a, ryan pondered and said...

    Damn! (picard voice)

    Just as aside, Have you noticed just how frail Patrick's voice is sounding
    now. I've been watching him on the pre-release interview circuit and it
    shows. I guess to be fair the guy is much older now and he's likely done a
    ton of interviews but yeah, I was kind of taken aback... because part of the aura of his character is the voice for me and although the accent etc is
    still there the strength of it seems somewhat lost now...

    Time waits for no captain...

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Avon on Friday, January 24, 2020 21:44:07
    25 Jan 20 08:49, you wrote to me:

    On 24 Jan 2020 at 02:25p, Oli pondered and said...

    The Pilot was such a dissapointment ... :(

    Oh no... I'm hoping to get access to watch this in the coming
    weeks..

    It's only my oppinion. I wouldn't be surprised if you like the show. There are much more positive reviews than negative ones and the ratings are not bad.


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Oli on Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:49:03
    On 24 Jan 2020 at 09:44p, Oli pondered and said...

    It's only my oppinion. I wouldn't be surprised if you like the show.
    There are much more positive reviews than negative ones and the ratings are not bad.

    It's a valid and equal opinion to anything I cough up too :)

    Yeah I've been watching some YouTube stuff about all the supposed angst going on behind the scenes at CBS etc. and the tussles between those running the
    show and which creative direction it is to take etc. Seems like there is some legal/rights reason to create the shows in a way that take the aesthetic down
    a pathway more like those of the JJ films / Bad Robot style.. and that's got many nervous if rumors are to be believed.

    I found the whole explanation of why those JJ films were made they way they were very interesting. In short it's about access (or not) to IP... and it's the original look/feel that I personally like and not all the alternate stuff done by Bad Robot / Alex Kurtzman ...

    The worry is this treatment may be being applied to Picard and (again if
    rumors are to be believed) the damage it may do to the franchise as they roll out the last of their big gun actors from STNG...

    Here's the link to the video if you want to watch it. Take it all with a
    pinch of salt though.

    https://youtu.be/rBnGGrr3txc?t=165

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Avon on Friday, January 24, 2020 22:51:58
    Just as aside, Have you noticed just how frail Patrick's voice is
    sounding now. I've been watching him on the pre-release interview
    circuit and it shows. I guess to be fair the guy is much older now and he's likely done a ton of interviews but yeah, I was kind of taken aback... because part of the aura of his character is the voice for me
    and although the accent etc is still there the strength of it seems somewhat lost now...

    Yep, I've noticed this as well. And it really is a bummer. Not only because
    you expect the character to be firm and decisive, but also because getting
    old sucks in general and it makes you wonder how long the heroes you grew up admiring have left these days.

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to ryan on Saturday, January 25, 2020 20:14:59
    On 24 Jan 2020 at 10:51p, ryan pondered and said...

    Yep, I've noticed this as well. And it really is a bummer. Not only because you expect the character to be firm and decisive, but also
    because getting old sucks in general and it makes you wonder how long
    the heroes you grew up admiring have left these days.

    I don't mind getting old as it's part of life but I do agree it kind of barks at times :)

    The bit that does me in is all my favorite pop music artists dying :(

    They don't seem to even make to 65 some of them...

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to Avon on Saturday, January 25, 2020 12:47:38
    25 Jan 20 10:49, you wrote to me:

    On 24 Jan 2020 at 09:44p, Oli pondered and said...

    It's only my oppinion. I wouldn't be surprised if you like the
    show. There are much more positive reviews than negative ones and
    the ratings are not bad.

    It's a valid and equal opinion to anything I cough up too :)

    :)

    Yeah I've been watching some YouTube stuff about all the supposed
    angst going on behind the scenes at CBS etc. and the tussles between
    those running the show and which creative direction it is to take etc. Seems like there is some legal/rights reason to create the shows in a
    way that take the aesthetic down a pathway more like those of the JJ
    films / Bad Robot style.. and that's got many nervous if rumors are to
    be believed.

    I found the whole explanation of why those JJ films were made they way they were very interesting. In short it's about access (or not) to
    IP... and it's the original look/feel that I personally like and not
    all the alternate stuff done by Bad Robot / Alex Kurtzman ...

    Nice summary of the video (linked below). I didn't know any of this ... Are there any credible sources for the "alternate license" claim. Sounds more like a conspiracy theorist talking about Star Trek.

    https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/discovery-made-under-same-licence-as-kelvin-tim eline.289878/

    The worry is this treatment may be being applied to Picard and (again
    if rumors are to be believed) the damage it may do to the franchise as they roll out the last of their big gun actors from STNG...

    I don't care so much about ST Discovery and the newer Star Trek movies. I just don't watch them.

    Having a new show with Picars, Data, Riker and Seven of Nine in it is something
    different though ... I wanted it to be good.

    Here's the link to the video if you want to watch it. Take it all with
    a pinch of salt though.

    https://youtu.be/rBnGGrr3txc?t=165

    As long as The Orville is not cancelled ...


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Oli on Saturday, January 25, 2020 12:46:40
    As long as The Orville is not cancelled ...

    Last thing I heard is its going to Hulu. ;(

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Oli on Saturday, January 25, 2020 16:04:13
    It's only my oppinion. I wouldn't be surprised if you like the show.
    There are much more positive reviews than negative ones and the ratings are not bad.

    I watched it yesterday, and enjoyed it.

    Then again, I enjoyed Discovery, too, even if they were emotionally one-note
    at various times (which I grew to dislike about Enterprise, because Archer
    was basically just the same level of angry all the time.).

    But I don't really have any expectations on Star Trek Picard being anything other than some light entertainment. I do look forward to seeing if they hit good sci-fi or philosophy notes, but will not be disappointed if it's just a bit of fun.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Adept on Saturday, January 25, 2020 23:00:48
    I watched it yesterday, and enjoyed it.

    Put it on my phone & watched it during my lunch at work. Enjoyed it as well...except for one thing which kind of caught me off-guard. 1st time we
    see Picard in a close up...I let out a gasp at how old he looked.

    Actually...I found it highly entertaining & expect so much more than
    Discovery. One thing I found was seeing one of the producers of Fringe & the latest Star Trek movies at the helm with Stewart. Loved Fringe when they
    dealt with dimensional hopping...but hope Stewart keeps these guys under control from out too far out on the limb.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Phoobar on Sunday, January 26, 2020 17:26:50
    we see Picard in a close up...I let out a gasp at how old he looked.

    I found it interesting to watch Logan afterward, with old Professor X. I
    didn't make any real mental comparisons between them, but found it
    interesting, regardless.

    Still, I like that they're letting the character be old. I'm not sure how
    frail Sir Patrick Stewart is in real life, but I like it when they let characters be old and less capable, while still being competent.

    Actually...I found it highly entertaining & expect so much more than Discovery. One thing I found was seeing one of the producers of Fringe &

    I imagine expectations are higher, what with so many more actors that people recognize. I mean, I don't think I recognize any of the Discovery actors as being actors outside of Discovery. And even the characters are pretty new and different, ties to Spock and Pike notwithstanding.

    But I'm excited to see where Discovery goes now that they're at a wildly different point.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Adept on Sunday, January 26, 2020 23:37:07
    we see Picard in a close up...I let out a gasp at how old he looked.
    I found it interesting to watch Logan afterward, with old Professor X. I didn't make any real mental comparisons between them, but found it interesting, regardless.

    Read this & you're right. Guess I was expecting a Picard who hadn't aged as much as it seemed...especially with the medical tech of that time. Thinking about Logan...he was at the point of what looked like death there. Probably
    the thing is I had read very little about Picard outside of this...so being that far into that time line surprised me.

    people recognize. I mean, I don't think I recognize any of the Discovery actors as being actors outside of Discovery. And even the characters are pretty new and different, ties to Spock and Pike notwithstanding.

    The captain in the 1st season (haven't watched season 2 yet) was in OA & some British shows & movies. The lead actress was in The Walking Dead who bit it before doing Discovery. Michelle Yeoh was a Bond girl back in the day.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Phoobar on Monday, January 27, 2020 15:43:24
    Read this & you're right. Guess I was expecting a Picard who hadn't aged as much as it seemed...especially with the medical tech of that time.

    I suppose that's true -- if you assume that there's significant advancement
    in medical technology as far as aging goes, then he'd have to be
    significantly older to be like this, or have some reason for it.

    But maybe they can retcon his birthdate so that he's older?

    Though, still, I'm fine with willful suspension of disbelief when it comes to having actors reprise their roles from a couple of decades ago. I really like that sort of thing, just because it allows for some storytelling that
    wouldn't be possible otherwise.

    people recognize. I mean, I don't think I recognize any of the Discov actors as being actors outside of Discovery. And even the characters
    some British shows & movies. The lead actress was in The Walking Dead
    who bit it before doing Discovery. Michelle Yeoh was a Bond girl back in

    Ah, okay. I think my statement is still true for me, but I certainly
    recognized "Michelle Yeoh", even if I haven't seen Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and possibly not the Bond movie, either.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Adept on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 00:01:38
    I suppose that's true -- if you assume that there's significant advancement in medical technology as far as aging goes, then he'd have
    to be significantly older to be like this, or have some reason for it.

    Like the series...especially if they can do better than with what I feel like they could have done with Discovery.

    I really like that sort of thing, just because it allows for some storytelling that wouldn't be possible otherwise.

    Agree with you. Just kind of shocked me that in the 1st closeup...I wasn't expecting him to look that old. Knew he was...but the WOW factor was in place.

    recognized "Michelle Yeoh", even if I haven't seen Crouching Tiger,
    Hidden Dragon and possibly not the Bond movie, either.

    Forgot she did that. In terms of the Bond movie...saw it lately on Pluto TV because of Jonathan Pryce. Loved him in those old Lexus spots he used to do here in the US.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Phoobar on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 06:31:00
    Phoobar wrote to Adept <=-

    Forgot she did that. In terms of the Bond movie...saw it lately on
    Pluto TV because of Jonathan Pryce. Loved him in those old Lexus spots
    he used to do here in the US.

    I saw the trailer for "The Two Popes" with Jonathan Pryce and Anthony
    Hopkins. You've got to have some acting chops as a lead actor to have
    Anthony Hopkins as a supporting role!


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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 16:29:41

    Forgot she did that. In terms of the Bond movie...saw it lately
    on Pluto TV because of Jonathan Pryce. Loved him in those old
    Lexus spots he used to do here in the US.

    I saw the trailer for "The Two Popes" with Jonathan Pryce and
    Anthony Hopkins. You've got to have some acting chops as a lead
    actor to have Anthony Hopkins as a supporting role!

    It looks promising. Even if I found him as the High Sparrow in GoT pretty annoying I loved his character in Brazil. Pryce and Hopkins together could be really good or really bad.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 12:54:58
    I saw the trailer for "The Two Popes" with Jonathan Pryce and Anthony Hopkins. You've got to have some acting chops as a lead actor to have Anthony Hopkins as a supporting role!

    Have seen it come up in the listing...but had no idea what it was. Now...am going to head back over & get the "files" to get it & watch it.

    Thank you again for telling me about this.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Oli on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 15:57:52
    Re: Star Trek Picard
    By: Oli to All on Fri Jan 24 2020 02:25 pm

    The Pilot was such a dissapointment ... :(

    I hope it will get a bit better (I doubt it). With Alison Pill and Jeri Ryan there is at least some hope (but I wouldn't be surprised if they mess up the character of Seven of Nine too)

    I actually enjoyed the pilot. I didn't really have high expectations though, but I knew it wasn't going to be a TNG get-together. I thought it was interesting to see Picard dealing with some things independently, and I'm curious to see where the series will go.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Adept on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 16:02:06
    Re: Re: Star Trek Picard
    By: Adept to Oli on Sat Jan 25 2020 04:04 pm

    I watched it yesterday, and enjoyed it.

    Then again, I enjoyed Discovery, too, even if they were emotionally one-note at various times (which I grew to dislike about Enterprise, because Archer was basically just the same level of angry all the time.).

    I semi enjoy Discovery, but I think I enjoyed Picard more. One thing I don't like much about Discovery is that Discovery doesn't seem to fit into canon very
    well (things look a little to "modern" for where it fits into Star Trek, and the Klingons look different). I also get tired of seeing so many prequels. I like that Picard takes place after Nemesis, so it feels like we get to see something "current" with Star Trek, rather than another prequel or rehashing old characters again. And of course I like Picard as a character. I'm curious
    to see where the Picard show will go.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Phoobar on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 16:03:04
    Re: Re: Star Trek Picard
    By: Phoobar to Adept on Sat Jan 25 2020 11:00 pm

    Put it on my phone & watched it during my lunch at work. Enjoyed it as well...except for one thing which kind of caught me off-guard. 1st time we see Picard in a close up...I let out a gasp at how old he looked.

    Patrick Stewart is 79 years old. And the Picard show takes place about 20 years after Nemesis - so it's natural that he'd be older.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Nightfox on Tuesday, January 28, 2020 23:34:38
    Patrick Stewart is 79 years old. And the Picard show takes place about
    20 years after Nemesis - so it's natural that he'd be older.

    Had no idea he was 79 & the "exact" time frame of the show. Just shocked me that he looked that old...even though my mind told itself he would be.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Nightfox on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 21:15:00
    On 01-28-20 15:57, Nightfox wrote to Oli <=-

    I actually enjoyed the pilot. I didn't really have high expectations though, but I knew it wasn't going to be a TNG get-together. I thought
    it was interesting to see Picard dealing with some things
    independently, and I'm curious to see where the series will go.

    I enjoyed the pilot as well, and am looking forward to following the series.


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Nightfox on Thursday, January 30, 2020 18:14:03
    I suppose this response will include possible Discovery spoilers, so fair warning and all...

    into Star Trek, and the Klingons look different). I also get tired of seeing so many prequels. I like that Picard takes place after Nemesis,

    I think that's why I'm excited to see where Discovery goes, now. It kind
    feels like what they've done so far is to tie them into the Star Trek canon, and now it'll be about stuff much further into the future.

    I'm with you on not being crazy about prequels. I mean, sometimes it's nice
    to see how they retcon various things, even if said retconning doesn't work
    all that well for some things, but it's nicer and cleaner if they're just in the same universe, and are working from that base without having to spend
    _too_ much time making sure that the pieces fit.

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  • From Jimmy Anderson@21:2/136 to Avon on Sunday, February 09, 2020 22:10:00
    Avon wrote to Oli <=-

    On 24 Jan 2020 at 02:25p, Oli pondered and said...

    The Pilot was such a dissapointment ... :(

    Oh no... I'm hoping to get access to watch this in the coming weeks..

    Haven't watched it yet, but I'll be the judge of my own interest. :-)




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