Thanks for reading this.

I know many use RPi units for their BBS and other things. I'm just curious
as to which model Pi you may be using? I've been using a 1B for quite a few years mainly as a router only and with minimum logging as to keep the read/writes to the SDCard as little as possible.

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I know many use RPi units for their BBS and other things. I'm just
curious
as to which model Pi you may be using? I've been using a 1B for quite
a few
years mainly as a router only and with minimum logging as to keep the

I'm using Pi4 Model B. It's great, running Talisman BBS. I'm not using the
SD card for storage, I'm using a portable SSD drive (WD Passport) -- I've
had card failures in the past :(

It's a little slow for my taste in terms of programming, e.g. running
IDE (CODE), so I tend to do dev on my other PCs and use SFTP when I'm
done.





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On 19 Oct 2021, N1uro said the following...

Thanks for reading this.

You're welcome!

I know many use RPi units for their BBS and other things. I'm just
curious as to which model Pi you may be using? I've been using a 1B for quite a few years mainly as a router only and with minimum logging as to keep the read/writes to the SDCard as little as possible.

I used to run it on a 3B, but now I have a Pi400. I also have a couple external drives attached. One of which will be taking over as the main booting drive relieving the SD card of that burden. I just need to stop being lazy and copy the data over and install Python 3 for my coding work on the BBS.

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On 19 Oct 2021, N1uro said the following...

I know many use RPi units for their BBS and other things. I'm just
curious as to which model Pi you may be using?

I've got 4 active RPi's going at the moment:

1x 4B: BBS
2x 3B+: Magic Mirrors
1x 2B: Pihole

The 2 & 3s are running off of SD cards because I don't really care about the speed of those ones. The BBS is running off of a 250GB USB3 "Pidrive" and boots/runs so much quicker than off of an SD card.

I've been using a 1B for quite a few years mainly as a router only and N1> with minimum logging as to keep the read/writes to the SDCard as little N1> as possible.

It seems to be hit & miss with me for microSD cards. I've tried Sandisk, Kingston and Samsung cards. I seem to have the most luck with Samsung being faster & more reliable whereas I've had more Kingston cards fail on me for seemingly no reason. The two Magic Mirrors I have going are a good example, one of them has a Sandisk card in it, the other a Samsung. If I start a "sudo apt full-upgrade" on them both at the same time the one with the Samsung card will always finish first. They're both a 3B+ running the same OS/Software, the only difference is the type of monitor they're plugged in to.


Jay

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On 19 Oct 2021 at 11:25a, N1uro pondered and said...

I know many use RPi units for their BBS and other things. I'm just
curious as to which model Pi you may be using? I've been using a 1B for quite a few years mainly as a router only and with minimum logging as to keep the read/writes to the SDCard as little as possible.

I have a Pi3 Model B and that works well but is now quite dated in specs compared to the newer models. Still I think it's a good wee unit. I have two others Pis one is used for a IPv6 tunnel and the other .. I can't find :)

I might try the 'ask my wife' help line..

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Hello aLPHA;

aLPHA wrote to N1uro <=-

I'm using Pi4 Model B. It's great, running Talisman BBS. I'm not using
the SD card for storage, I'm using a portable SSD drive (WD Passport)
-- I've had card failures in the past :(

I've actually had 1 card failure in just about 10 years. SDCards are made
of very thin aluminum for it's "disk" and they warm up sitting in the Pi
units as it is. Excessive read/writes warms that aluminum up more and
causes it to warp making it unusable. Funny thing is, my original card
still is usable as a drive -except- the boot sector is toast.

It's a little slow for my taste in terms of programming, e.g. running
IDE (CODE), so I tend to do dev on my other PCs and use SFTP when I'm done.

It's a LOT faster than my 1B though :) Thanks for responding.



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Hello MobbyG;

MobbyG wrote to N1uro <=-

I used to run it on a 3B, but now I have a Pi400. I also have a couple external drives attached. One of which will be taking over as the main booting drive relieving the SD card of that burden. I just need to stop being lazy and copy the data over and install Python 3 for my coding
work on the BBS.

Thanks for the response. While I'm amazed at what they can and do 'do', I'm not really much of a fanatic of them. They're really a circuit test card
to begin with... and when you spend $35.00USD for a new "computer", you're going to get what you pay for.


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Hello Warpslide;

Warpslide wrote to N1uro <=-

I've got 4 active RPi's going at the moment:

1x 4B: BBS
2x 3B+: Magic Mirrors
1x 2B: Pihole

4 total units? You must love those buggers <G>

The 2 & 3s are running off of SD cards because I don't really care
about the speed of those ones. The BBS is running off of a 250GB USB3 "Pidrive" and boots/runs so much quicker than off of an SD card.

I have one I keep active that I use as an IPv4 tunnel router and as an IPv6 broker router that somewhat serves a parallel function for hams as UCSD does with IPv4. It's only a 1B - ancient in today's terms but for a router it's fine.

It seems to be hit & miss with me for microSD cards. I've tried
Sandisk, Kingston and Samsung cards. I seem to have the most luck with Samsung being faster & more reliable whereas I've had more Kingston
cards fail on me for seemingly no reason. The two Magic Mirrors I have going are a good example, one of them has a Sandisk card in it, the
other a Samsung. If I start a "sudo apt full-upgrade" on them both at
the same time the one with the Samsung card will always finish first. They're both a 3B+ running the same OS/Software, the only difference is the type of monitor they're plugged in to.

I've only used SanDisk cards. My first was a Class 4 in which the boot sector is gone. I think it overheated and the lock switch moved inward and scraped
the aluminum "disk". That lasted me about 3 years before it failed.

Fortunately before I run my monthly CloneZilla backup on my systems, I have
a script that calls DD I use and back up the SDCard on my Pi which is now
a Class 10 SanDisk card. It mainly just sits there and goes. If for some
reason it crashes, I can reboot it even remotely as it's on a BayTech RPC
and I can get to it from my phone using JuiceSSH.



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Hello Avon;

Avon wrote to N1uro <=-

I have a Pi3 Model B and that works well but is now quite dated in
specs compared to the newer models. Still I think it's a good wee unit.
I have two others Pis one is used for a IPv6 tunnel and the other .. I can't find :)

I have a model 2 and a model 3B as well... they sit untouched in their respective boxes. I'll be posting a follow-up question about the Pi units
soon.

I might try the 'ask my wife' help line..

That usually comes with some sort of a price tag attached <G>

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Quoting N1uro to All <=-

I know many use RPi units for their BBS and other things. I'm just
curious as to which model Pi you may be using? I've been using a 1B for quite a few years mainly as a router only and with minimum logging as
to keep the read/writes to the SDCard as little as possible.

Pi0W - Tandy Portable Disk Drive for my Tandy Model 102.
Pi3 - Runs my PDP-8 emulator
Pi3 - Runs my music players (one upstairs and one downstairs)
Pi3 - A little test server. NAS, BBS, text-based games that I can
access from anywhere.
Pi3 - A TRS-80 emulator. I don't use this much as I have a real TRS-80
to play with.
Pi4 - Runs my Kodi Media player on the TV
Pi4 - Runs my server. Actually, this one is two Pi4s. One set to be a
cold standby - I swap them every few months. I have 4 SATA hard drives
hooked up - 2 in use - 2 backup - Synched every 12 hours (sort of a
poor-man's RAID).


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On 20 Oct 2021, N1uro said the following...

I've got 4 active RPi's going at the moment:

4 total units? You must love those buggers <G>

I have 4 active units, I also have 3 or 4 Pi Zero W's in a box. I got the official camera case for each of them with plans to use them as security cameras. I got all 4 setup and had one in the garage pointing at the door and the mounted the other three in windows with suction cups.

https://www.pishop.ca/product/official-raspberry-pi-zero-case-mini-camera-cable

They... worked, but not very well. They needed to be rebooted every so often, even if I set them to reboot automatically every night. I fiddled with having the footage stored locally on the SD card as well as streaming to the NAS but neither really made much of a difference. I was using MotionEyeOS at the time, I should maybe try it again to see if stability has improved at all.

I have one I keep active that I use as an IPv4 tunnel router and as an IPv6 broker router that somewhat serves a parallel function for hams as UCSD does with IPv4. It's only a 1B - ancient in today's terms but for a router it's fine.

That's what I thought with the 2B I have, it's "only" 100Mb Ethernet but more than fine for a local DNS server. Do you have a walk through you used for setting up that tunnel? I have native IPv6 at home, but wouldn't mind learning more about setting up tunnelbroker.


Jay

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Am 19.10.21 schrieb N1uro@21:4/107 in FSX_GEN:

Hallo N1uro,

I know many use RPi units for their BBS and other things. I'm just curious as to which model Pi you may be using? I've been using a 1B for quite a few years mainly as a router only and with minimum logging as to keep the read/writes to the SDCard as little as possible.

I have the following Pis, one model 2 and one model 3, active:

- 1x OctoPrint server for my 3D printer
- 1x HomeAssistant server

Besides, I have 2x Pi1B and 1x Pi3 sitting in storage :)

At first, I started my BBS on a Pi3 but switched to a Lenovo Mini-PC
because dosemu requires a x86/amd64 CPU.

Regards,
Anna

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They... worked, but not very well. They needed to be rebooted every so often, even if I set them to reboot automatically every night. I fiddled

I found similar... also the PiZero tended to lose devices attached to USB ports. When it falls over by itself it often toasts the image on the SD card too.. It'd stream video, I was using mjpgstreamer but it could only manage
low resolution throughput.. 640x480, 1024x768 with a low frame rate.

Spec


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Thanks to everyone for answering. Mainly I wanted to know 2 things:

- is the 1B still in use for anything (it appears YES)
- how many have upgraded to model 4s (seems almost 100%)
which spawns another query: Can an SDCard with linux installed for use
for a model 3 be used in a model 4? I don't have a model 4 and would
hate to spend the money on something I may power up once or twice for
no more than 10 minutes tops. If someone knows this please relay the
answer to me... would be much appreciated.

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Dr. What wrote to N1URO <=-

Pi3 - A TRS-80 emulator. I don't use this much as I have a real TRS-80
to play with.

Never had one of those, but they look like they'd be fun in a nerdy sort of way! A friend had one when we were in school and I had a natural gift on cracking some of the games he had. Wouldn't mind owning one of those things
one day.

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Hello N1uro!

21 Oct 21 09:59, you wrote to all:

- is the 1B still in use for anything (it appears YES)

I was using a 1b for this system, until the thing died last week (Network port). I've read that you can bring the os along to a new version of the PI.
But I did a clean install and just moved the config files for the FTN software, and re-compiled just to be safe (They did run without issues though).

- how many have upgraded to model 4s (seems almost 100%)

The anoyting thing with the 4's is the change to micro HDMI....



Vorlon


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Hello Vorlon;

Vorlon wrote to N1uro <=-

I was using a 1b for this system, until the thing died last week
(Network port). I've read that you can bring the os along to a new
version of the PI. But I did a clean install and just moved the config files for the FTN software, and re-compiled just to be safe (They did
run without issues though).

I think I may have tried that when trying out my 3 when I first got it and
it wouldn't boot. Perhaps it may be because it's an arm7 not an arm6 processor? As long as the OS for the 3 will work on a 4 I'm good for now.

The anoyting thing with the 4's is the change to micro HDMI....

Good to know in case I do have to get one, I'll have to find an adapter.

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N1uro wrote to Dr. What <=-

Pi3 - A TRS-80 emulator. I don't use this much as I have a real TRS-80
to play with.

Never had one of those, but they look like they'd be fun in a nerdy
sort of way! A friend had one when we were in school and I had a
natural gift on cracking some of the games he had. Wouldn't mind owning one of those things one day.

The real ones are getting harder and harder to get. Especially without hardware issues. That's why I originally got the emulator.

If you do get one, remember that like a 1931 Ford Model A, you have to maintain it and there's no service station for it (and replacement parts are maybe available). One of the reasons I got into old computers was to gain more hardware knowlege - and I got way more than I expected.


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N1uro wrote to All <=-

which spawns another query: Can an SDCard with linux installed for
use
for a model 3 be used in a model 4?

I don't believe so. Maybe if you made sure that the distro installed on it
was completely up to date it might work.


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Vorlon wrote to N1uro <=-

The anoyting thing with the 4's is the change to micro HDMI....

I would argue that at least half of the 4's out there are not hooked up to video.


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Hello Warpslide;

Warpslide wrote to N1uro <=-

but more than fine for a local DNS server. Do you have a walk through
you used for setting up that tunnel? I have native IPv6 at home, but wouldn't mind learning more about setting up tunnelbroker.

I can't recall if I answered this or not... but anyway I don't have a walk- through per say however tunnelbroker does offer you basic instructions on
how to set up a link to them based on your OS and tools. What they don't tell you however is that you need to open protocol (not port) 41 on your firewall then create firewall rules for your IPv6 to parallel your IPv4.

Then if you're running linux, edit /etc/sysctl.conf to insure you set net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=1
you may need to flag a few more on. You don't need to reboot just run
sysctl -p to reload the new config to enable forwarding since you need
to run this to get forwarding from your SIT interface to the rest of your interfaces.

To add IPv6 IPs to clients behind this "router" you need to specify routing
to the individual devices using "ip -6 route add..." if you use the newer
ip tools, and mirror the opposite on the device(s). IPv6 does not use ARP instead it uses Neighbor Discovery Protocol which is similar in nature.

If you're a ham and are trying to route IPv6 via RF, you'll need to bind
a 6-to-4 tunnel and map it to an IPv4 IP, perhaps a 44net IP so you can
use ARP to bind to the ax.25 interface. It's how I've been doing it for
years now.

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N1uro wrote (2021-10-21):

Thanks to everyone for answering. Mainly I wanted to know 2 things:

- is the 1B still in use for anything (it appears YES)
- how many have upgraded to model 4s (seems almost 100%)

I still have a 2B.

which spawns another query: Can an SDCard with linux installed for use
for a model 3 be used in a model 4? I don't have a model 4 and would
hate to spend the money on something I may power up once or twice for
no more than 10 minutes tops. If someone knows this please relay the
answer to me... would be much appreciated.

If it's recent enough, it should work. AFAIK there is only one 32-bit Raspberry Pi OS for all Raspis in different flavors (and maybe a 64-bit unofficial release).

$ ls -l /boot/bcm* /boot/kernel*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26138 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-b.dtb
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26401 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-b-plus.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 25749 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-b-rev1.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26060 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-cm.dtb
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 25883 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-zero.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27076 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-zero-w.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27276 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2709-rpi-2-b.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27425 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2710-rpi-2-b.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 28923 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2710-rpi-3-b.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 29542 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2710-rpi-3-b-plus.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27421 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2710-rpi-cm3.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 49821 Aug 15 16:45 /boot/bcm2711-rpi-400.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 49825 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2711-rpi-4-b.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 50499 Aug 15 16:45 /boot/bcm2711-rpi-cm4.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6353448 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/kernel7.img
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6776464 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/kernel7l.img
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7905013 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/kernel8.img
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6006696 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/kernel.img

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Vorlon wrote to N1uro <=-

The anoyting thing with the 4's is the change to micro HDMI....

And, USB-C, and needing a fan. I have a 3 and a 4, for most small server
tasks I'd venture that a 3 is just fine. Running containers or ESXi, definitely the 8 GB 4.


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Hello Dr. What;

Dr. What wrote to N1uro <=-

The real ones are getting harder and harder to get. Especially without hardware issues. That's why I originally got the emulator.

... and they're not as inexpensive as I thought they would be now!

If you do get one, remember that like a 1931 Ford Model A, you have to maintain it and there's no service station for it (and replacement
parts are maybe available). One of the reasons I got into old
computers was to gain more hardware knowlege - and I got way more than
I expected.

Very true that. I just want to tinker with one for the heck of it. There are some TRS-80 SIGs around too. I don't know if they're still in existance but
I have no reason to believe they wouldn't be.

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Hello Dr. What;

Dr. What wrote to N1uro <=-

I don't believe so. Maybe if you made sure that the distro installed
on it was completely up to date it might work.

I'd really hate to get one, knowing I won't be using it for less than a
day... and I can't easily borrow one since most of my associates use Arduino cards instead of RPis.

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Hello Oli;

Oli wrote to N1uro <=-

If it's recent enough, it should work. AFAIK there is only one 32-bit Raspberry Pi OS for all Raspis in different flavors (and maybe a 64-bit unofficial release).

$ ls -l /boot/bcm* /boot/kernel*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26138 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-b.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26401 Aug 15 16:44
/boot/bcm2708-rpi-b-plus.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 25749 Aug 15
16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-b-rev1.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26060 Aug
15 16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-cm.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 25883 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-zero.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27076 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-zero-w.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27276 Aug
15 16:44 /boot/bcm2709-rpi-2-b.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27425 Aug
15 16:44 /boot/bcm2710-rpi-2-b.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 28923 Aug
15 16:44 /boot/bcm2710-rpi-3-b.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 29542 Aug
15 16:44 /boot/bcm2710-rpi-3-b-plus.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27421
Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2710-rpi-cm3.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 49821
Aug 15 16:45 /boot/bcm2711-rpi-400.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 49825
Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2711-rpi-4-b.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 50499
Aug 15 16:45 /boot/bcm2711-rpi-cm4.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6353448
Aug 15 16:44 /boot/kernel7.img -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6776464 Aug 15
16:44 /boot/kernel7l.img -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7905013 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/kernel8.img -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6006696 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/kernel.img

It almost looks like the 4s have a slightly different CPU than the 3s.
I guess it's a hit and miss sort of thing *sigh*

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Hello N1uro!

21 Oct 21 23:21, you wrote to me:

I was using a 1b for this system, until the thing died last week
(Network port). I've read that you can bring the os along to a
new version of the PI. But I did a clean install and just moved
the config files for the FTN software, and re-compiled just to be
safe (They did run without issues though).

I think I may have tried that when trying out my 3 when I first got it
and it wouldn't boot. Perhaps it may be because it's an arm7 not an
arm6 processor? As long as the OS for the 3 will work on a 4 I'm good
for now.

The OS came across without issues and booted right up. I wanted a clean install though, and it was a
much needed cleanup. I had been doing updates on the old install, so everything was up to date.

The anoyting thing with the 4's is the change to micro HDMI....

Good to know in case I do have to get one, I'll have to find an
adapter.

Yeah, but at least there are two of them.


Vorlon


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Hello poindexter!

22 Oct 21 07:45, you wrote to me:

The anoyting thing with the 4's is the change to micro HDMI....

And, USB-C, and needing a fan. I have a 3 and a 4, for most small
server tasks I'd venture that a 3 is just fine. Running containers or ESXi, definitely the 8 GB 4.

I have two entry level 4's, with no fans installed. They are used to act as the control computer for
my Christmas lights. They only get used for a month once the show is running. Other times they are
stored with the gear, and get a update just as I'm setting things up.



Vorlon


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I know many use RPi units for their BBS and other things. I'm just
curious as to which model Pi you may be using? I've been using a 1B for

I have a couple around here I use:
I have 3B+ for Retropi gaming
I have another 3B+ for running the Mystic and SBBS boards
I have a 3B+ using a Heatermeter as a ATC for my BBQ smoker
I have a 4B 8 gig that I use as a desktop/file server. I think the 8 gig was
a waste of money as it never exceedes 1.8 gig used no matter what I throw at it. I could get by very easily with the 2 gig model. I have the Pi 4 in an Argon M.2 case booting off a 256 gig M.2 drive. While I appreciate the form factor of the Pi it really is lacking in the video department especially with Youtube or anything that streams. Can't really expect a lot for the price I guess.

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N1uro wrote to Dr. What <=-

Very true that. I just want to tinker with one for the heck of it.
There are some TRS-80 SIGs around too. I don't know if they're still in existance but I have no reason to believe they wouldn't be.

Oh, ya. There are plenty of places that have support groups for many vintage computers. Vintage computers seems to be a growing hobby today.


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N1uro wrote to Dr. What <=-

I'd really hate to get one, knowing I won't be using it for less than a day... and I can't easily borrow one since most of my associates use Arduino cards instead of RPis.

I can understand that. I used to purchase some "because I might need them", but no more. I purchase as I have projects that I need them for. I have 1 or 2 around to try stuff out on before a project (sort of like a proof of concept).

Which reminds me of a couple Raspberry PIs that I missed:
1. My RasPad (Pi3)
2. My CrowPi 2 (Pi4)

I use both of these as test beds for ideas or testing new boards that sound interesting.


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Hello Vorlon;

Vorlon wrote to N1uro <=-

The OS came across without issues and booted right up. I wanted a clean install though, and it was a much needed cleanup. I had been doing
updates on the old install, so everything was up to date.

That's good to know and also understandable about wanting a fresh clean install.

Yeah, but at least there are two of them.

I'd only need one as I'd only boot up a second Pi for a couple of hours before it'd go back in the box.

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Hello doctor wade;

doctor wade wrote to N1uro <=-

I have a 4B 8 gig that I use as a desktop/file server. I think the 8
gig was a waste of money as it never exceedes 1.8 gig used no matter
what I throw at it. I could get by very easily with the 2 gig model. I have the Pi 4 in an Argon M.2 case booting off a 256 gig M.2 drive.
While I appreciate the form factor of the Pi it really is lacking in
the video department especially with Youtube or anything that streams.

I understand that with the 4s if you encase them they'll need a fan to
keep cool or they'll overheat, and in some cases catch fire. Is that true?

Can't really expect a lot for the price I guess.

It's clearly a case of you get what you pay for! I've gotten some great
deals off eBay on some full size PCs for our packet radio network about
the same cost as I would pay for an RPi unit and a consultant friend of
mine gave me a pile of Optiplex-3010 SFFs one of which the BBS is on. I
prefer a PC anyday to a Pi, although I understand where the Pis do fit
in.



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Hello Dr. What;

Dr. What wrote to N1uro <=-

Oh, ya. There are plenty of places that have support groups for many vintage computers. Vintage computers seems to be a growing hobby
today.

It seems that things are so bad in today's world everyone's turning to the retro stuff. In talking to a couple of friends, one of which lives in another country, even retro television is "in". I'll have to admit, I don't even
own cable and do most of my tv viewing from the retro channels off the air
than even streaming current stuff... unless it's a sporting event.

Retro computing is a blast! I mainly set up my BBS for the FTNs and old
DOS Door arcade type games. I wish OS/2 would load on some of the newer hardware, that'd be fun to see how much faster it'd be compared to the
old 486 cpu days when I used to run it. For a GUI based OS it's probably
my all time favorite.

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Hello Dr. What;

Dr. What wrote to N1uro <=-

I can understand that. I used to purchase some "because I might need them", but no more. I purchase as I have projects that I need them
for. I have 1 or 2 around to try stuff out on before a project (sort
of like a proof of concept).

Understandable. That's the main reason I've purchased RPis in the past as
well, then use DD to make backups of the SDCards which can be used to share with others who are interested in what I'm doing.

Which reminds me of a couple Raspberry PIs that I missed:
1. My RasPad (Pi3)
2. My CrowPi 2 (Pi4)

I use both of these as test beds for ideas or testing new boards that sound interesting.

Have you heard of I think they're called AtomicPis? They use intel CPUs instead of Broadcom CPUs. A friend of mine has one he's played with. Seemed
to be "ok".

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I understand that with the 4s if you encase them they'll need a fan to
keep cool or they'll overheat, and in some cases catch fire. Is that
true?

I have not heard that! The Argon case comes with a fan and a script to run
that allows you to control the fan speed by temperature. I monitor my Pi4 and my BBS Pi 3 by Nagios software. It shows the Pi 4 as adveraging 49.43 C and
the BBS Pi 3B+ at 43.29 C. The Pi 3 is in a clear acrylic case with a small
fan that is not temp controlled. It just runs all the time at one speed. The
Pi 4 can hit 53.01 C when viewing streaming video or Youtube clips. I do hear the fan speed up from time to time while watching a Youtube clip. The Pi 4 is on my desk and most of the time I can not hear the fan.

It's clearly a case of you get what you pay for! I've gotten some great deals off eBay on some full size PCs for our packet radio network about the same cost as I would pay for an RPi unit and a consultant friend of mine gave me a pile of Optiplex-3010 SFFs one of which the BBS is on. I

Oh I agree! I have my Win10 Mystic BBS and SBBS running on an old box that a customer abandoned in our data center. It is suprising how many folks go out
of business and never pay their final months bill or collect their equipment.
I am looking for an old Dell or clone machine to move my OS/2 BBS off my virtual machine and give it its own home. The first Pi I ran across was in my Heatermeter device. I was amazed at its size and how well it worked. I liked the size and the use of Linux. The other Pis came along as I got curious what could be done with them. In hindsight I wished I had gotten the Pi 400 instead of the unit I have now. I hink I am done buying any more unless they come out with a more powerful unit that could be used as a true desktop replacement.

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Hello doctor wade;

doctor wade wrote to N1uro <=-

I have not heard that! The Argon case comes with a fan and a script to
run that allows you to control the fan speed by temperature. I monitor
my Pi4 and my BBS Pi 3 by Nagios software. It shows the Pi 4 as
adveraging 49.43 C and the BBS Pi 3B+ at 43.29 C. The Pi 3 is in a
clear acrylic case with a small fan that is not temp controlled. It
just runs all the time at one speed. The Pi 4 can hit 53.01 C when
viewing streaming video or Youtube clips. I do hear the fan speed up
from time to time while watching a Youtube clip. The Pi 4 is on my desk and most of the time I can not hear the fan.

Wow, running nagios on your Pis?.. Which version of Nagios? I used to love Nagios prior to version 4 I think it is. Very flexible and quite useful. I
used to write custom checks for it... loved that part of it!

Oh I agree! I have my Win10 Mystic BBS and SBBS running on an old box
that a customer abandoned in our data center. It is suprising how many folks go out of business and never pay their final months bill or
collect their equipment. I am looking for an old Dell or clone machine
to move my OS/2 BBS off my virtual machine and give it its own home.
The first Pi I ran across was in my Heatermeter device. I was amazed at its size and how well it worked. I liked the size and the use of Linux. The other Pis came along as I got curious what could be done with them.
In hindsight I wished I had gotten the Pi 400 instead of the unit I
have now. I hink I am done buying any more unless they come out with a more powerful unit that could be used as a true desktop replacement.

What sort of hardware are you running OS/2 on? I tried to get it to load
on a coreI5 but no luck. I miss playing with that. OS/2 would handle
multiple DOS sessions a lot better than Desqview.

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another country, even retro television is "in". I'll have to admit,
I don't even own cable and do most of my tv viewing from the retro channels off the air than even streaming current stuff... unless

I find myself in the position I don't have any "streaming" service, and the last TV I had with a tuner in it, the tuner portion has died a horrible
death, so my viewing pleasure is somewhat seriously curtailed. Doubtful on
the affordability of streaming vs viewing, last time I was in that position
it ended up with so little watching it really was money for nothing. While there's probably more FTA that I might watch, not in a position to fork out
for another TV at this stage.

Spec


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Hello Spectre;

Spectre wrote to N1uro <=-

I find myself in the position I don't have any "streaming" service, and the last TV I had with a tuner in it, the tuner portion has died a horrible death, so my viewing pleasure is somewhat seriously curtailed. Doubtful on the affordability of streaming vs viewing, last time I was
in that position it ended up with so little watching it really was
money for nothing. While there's probably more FTA that I might watch,
not in a position to fork out for another TV at this stage.

Perhaps you can find a service similar to what we have here called Pluto.
It's mainly retro stuff, hundreds of channels to choose from too! If not
that at least a BlueRay or DVD player so you can enjoy your set for something!



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Perhaps you can find a service similar to what we have here called Pluto. It's mainly retro stuff, hundreds of channels to choose from too! If not that at least a BlueRay or DVD player so you can enjoy your set for something!

I do still have a DVD player or two kicking around here.. starting to look a little the worse for wear but functional, not so many DVDs around these days though. Got a box full stashed somewhere...

Spec


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Wow, running nagios on your Pis?.. Which version of Nagios? I used to
love Nagios prior to version 4 I think it is. Very flexible and quite useful. I used to write custom checks for it... loved that part of it!

I have Nagios Core Version 4.4.6 running on my Pi4. I've used Nagios for
years at the ISP I used to work for. Lost many sleep cycles being paged by it when customers servers would go down! We also used MRTG to graph network traffic which IMHO was a pain in the butt to setup. I am currently running a program called Observium to monitor some boxes for a MSP I do contract work for. Observium monitors health and network traffic. It is running on a Pi 3
but is not setup to page or notify. (yet lol)

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What sort of hardware are you running OS/2 on? I tried to get it to load on a coreI5 but no luck. I miss playing with that. OS/2 would handle multiple DOS sessions a lot better than Desqview.

I am running it in a VM via VirtualBox on a Win10 machine. I would love to
run the latest OS/2 but i am too cheap to pay for the software. I have the VM setup to use 1 CPU and 1 gig of memory. The BBS and mailer run fine but I can not get the QWK mail part of Maximus to work. The box locks up tight compressing the qwk message packet. It seems to be a bug running it in a VM
as I have tried using several versions of Pkzip to no avail. Everything else works great.

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Hello Spectre;

Spectre wrote to N1uro <=-

I do still have a DVD player or two kicking around here.. starting to
look a little the worse for wear but functional, not so many DVDs
around these days though. Got a box full stashed somewhere...

It's better than nothing, and better than standard definition VHS or Beta
tapes :)

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Hello doctor wade;

doctor wade wrote to N1uro <=-

I have Nagios Core Version 4.4.6 running on my Pi4. I've used Nagios
for years at the ISP I used to work for. Lost many sleep cycles being paged by it when customers servers would go down! We also used MRTG to graph network traffic which IMHO was a pain in the butt to setup. I am currently running a program called Observium to monitor some boxes for
a MSP I do contract work for. Observium monitors health and network traffic. It is running on a Pi 3 but is not setup to page or notify.
(yet lol)

I used Nagios and Ganglia at an application service provider I was dept. head of years ago. We had multiple data centers globally and each copy of Nagios
fed a master copy which sent pages, and after 5 pages if the check wasn't ACKed, it'd create a dial to the individual on duty through an asterisk
server we had set up. If a check went that far, a log would email one of the vice presidents and the person on duty had to explain why they couldn't handle the alert.

Ganglia handled network and server stats for each server regardless of if it was a linux box handling the control scripts or a windows server which make
the phone calls... we handled fraud detection and late payment calls for some of the world's largest banks. It was pretty interesting.

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Hello doctor wade;

doctor wade wrote to N1uro <=-

I am running it in a VM via VirtualBox on a Win10 machine. I would love
to run the latest OS/2 but i am too cheap to pay for the software. I
have the VM setup to use 1 CPU and 1 gig of memory. The BBS and mailer
run fine but I can not get the QWK mail part of Maximus to work. The
box locks up tight compressing the qwk message packet. It seems to be a bug running it in a VM as I have tried using several versions of Pkzip
to no avail. Everything else works great.

Interesting. I've though about giving it a go on a linux box running a VM
but I'd have to research how to install it. As for the compression for your
QWK packets, have you tried using ARJ or is that not an option for your BBS?
I wouldn't mind using OS/2 in a VM to get into my BBS with, and BlueWave
to do QWK mail with. For me it'd be like the old days of BBSing!


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N1uro wrote to Dr. What <=-

Have you heard of I think they're called AtomicPis? They use intel CPUs instead of Broadcom CPUs. A friend of mine has one he's played with. Seemed to be "ok".

No, I haven't seen those.

I tried out some Raspberry Pi-like systems before and was very disappointed in the hardware support that they had.

I supposed if I was more into writing drivers, etc. I'd enjoy it more. But these little systems are a means to an end, and I don't want to spin my wheels getting the Wifi to work, for example, as opposed to working on the project that I intended in the first place.


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N1uro wrote to doctor wade <=-

I understand that with the 4s if you encase them they'll need a fan to keep cool or they'll overheat, and in some cases catch fire. Is that
true?

I don't believe that's true. The Pis have temperature controls on them. If they get too hot, they shut down.

Now, if they were sitting on something flammable and overheated...

Most of my Pis run as "appliances" so they are on 24/7. Just to let them live as long as possible, I have small fans on them to keep them from getting too hot.

And the Pi4 running as media player, when it playing, it will get hot. But that one is in a case that IS one big heat sync.


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of Nagios fed a master copy which sent pages, and after 5 pages if the check wasn't ACKed, it'd create a dial to the individual on duty through an asterisk server we had set up. If a check went that far, a log would email one of the vice presidents and the person on duty had to explain
why they couldn't handle the alert.

In the old days we had Nagios connected to a server which would dial out through a modem and send a page to an old school pager. All the engineers
that worked at the ISP/Datcenter had to cary the pager for 7 days. That meant that you were on call for 24/7 that week and you had 30 minutes to
achnowledge the page and work the issue. We monitored hundreds of T-1 circuts and servers from Fla to Canada. We had about 7 different circuit providers
and I learned to hate them all except for Comcast. When we started carrying Comcast circuits back to the Datacenter most of our connectivity issues went away. Even if you were up all night working on an issue they expected you to
be at work on time the next day. When we started the pager rotation there
were 12 of us. By the time I retired there were 4 so the pager week seemed to come too quickly for my taste. I don't miss it or the commute but I guess i have a love hate relationship with Nagios. The program works quite well. I
will not be turning on the notifications though!

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Interesting. I've though about giving it a go on a linux box running a VM but I'd have to research how to install it. As for the compression for your QWK packets, have you tried using ARJ or is that not an option for your BBS? I wouldn't mind using OS/2 in a VM to get into my BBS with,
and BlueWave to do QWK mail with. For me it'd be like the old days of BBSing!

I have tried all the different programs and they just don't seem to work with Maximus and OS/2. I have a copy of Lora BBS for OS/2 that is crippled
without having a key so you are limited to 1 node and can not bypass the
built in mailer. Oddly enough the qwk door in Lora works great! You can download messages and read them. I have managed to get DBridge to toss the messages in Loras message base but it will not send them out. Lora does not seem to mark the messages that are outgoing in a manner that Fastecho can
pack and send out through D'Bridge. The version of Lora I really like is
2.43b. I would run it full time if I had acces to the key. I used to run
Ubuntu and Virtalbox with OS/2. It is not hard to set up and there are a few sites that have the instructions.

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Hello N1uro!

23 Oct 21 09:06, you wrote to me:

Yeah, but at least there are two of them.

I'd only need one as I'd only boot up a second Pi for a couple of
hours before it'd go back in the box.

The screen connected is a requirement to get things going, then ssh is the way. Plus also when you can't connect to
it, and you need to find out what's going on.


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On 24 Oct 2021 at 07:50p, Spectre pondered and said...

I do still have a DVD player or two kicking around here.. starting to
look a little the worse for wear but functional, not so many DVDs around these days though. Got a box full stashed somewhere...

I was thinking if or when the Internet was a causality of some natural disaster or (heaven forbid) a human conflict then having content you don't loose because your online stream is broken is not a bad thing.

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VM setup to use 1 CPU and 1 gig of memory. The BBS and mailer run
fine but I can not get the QWK mail part of Maximus to work. The box
locks up tight compressing the qwk message packet. It seems to be a
bug running it in a VM as I have tried using several versions
of Pkzip to no avail. Everything else works great.

Interesting. I have a similar issue with pkzip 2.04g I think off hand, will throw persistant exception 13's in VirtualBox DOS VMs. My usual work around is to substitute another form of compression for pkzip that uses the same
switches or can copy with the std command line for it. But I haven't been
able to find a solution to the problem as such.

Spec


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around these days though. Got a box full stashed somewhere...

It's better than nothing, and better than standard definition VHS or Beta tapes :)

There is that, and finally crawling out the far side of lockdown it's
probably worth trundling around the local haunts, they're cheap enough if you can find something worth watching..

Spec


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Have you heard of I think they're called AtomicPis? They use intel

No, I haven't seen those.

I haven't tried one. The reports I see aren't terribly favourable unless
you want an x86 base to work with for some reason. They were shipping with
ATOM processors, which compared to the rest of the Pi style offerings were
more expensive, power hungry and hotter. But things may have changed since I saw that.

I tried out some Raspberry Pi-like systems before and was very disappointed in the hardware support that they had.

There seemed to be a phase where some of the board developers were putting items on the boards because they could, they were cheap or something similar. Orange had a board with completely useless wifi on it. No drivers existing
for it, and the chipset whatever it was also had issues, so even if you could get it recognised it was still useless.

Having said that, I've not come across any that have been lacking in the software dept for some time. Either they started choosing better building blocks or were more prepared to get it running with drivers.

Spec


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Re: Re: Retro Viewing
By: Avon to Spectre on Mon Oct 25 2021 03:20 pm

On 24 Oct 2021 at 07:50p, Spectre pondered and said...

I do still have a DVD player or two kicking around here.. starting to look a little the worse for wear but functional, not so many DVDs aroun these days though. Got a box full stashed somewhere...

I was thinking if or when the Internet was a causality of some natural disas or (heaven forbid) a human conflict then having content you don't loose beca your online stream is broken is not a bad thing.

I have a local copy (many, actually) of everything that matters to me, including an impressive movie collection.

That would be a shelf and a half worth of DVDs, and that is not counting the VHS'.

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N1uro wrote (2021-10-22):

Hello Oli;

Oli wrote to N1uro <=-

If it's recent enough, it should work. AFAIK there is only one
32-bit Raspberry Pi OS for all Raspis in different flavors (and
maybe a 64-bit unofficial release).

$ ls -l /boot/bcm* /boot/kernel*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26138 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-b.dtb
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26401 Aug 15 16:44
/boot/bcm2708-rpi-b-plus.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 25749 Aug 15
16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-b-rev1.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26060
Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-cm.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root
25883 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-zero.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root
root 27076 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2708-rpi-zero-w.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1
root root 27276 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2709-rpi-2-b.dtb -rwxr-xr-x
1 root root 27425 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2710-rpi-2-b.dtb
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 28923 Aug 15 16:44
/boot/bcm2710-rpi-3-b.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 29542 Aug 15
16:44 /boot/bcm2710-rpi-3-b-plus.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27421
Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2710-rpi-cm3.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root
49821 Aug 15 16:45 /boot/bcm2711-rpi-400.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root
49825 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/bcm2711-rpi-4-b.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1 root
root 50499 Aug 15 16:45 /boot/bcm2711-rpi-cm4.dtb -rwxr-xr-x 1
root root 6353448 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/kernel7.img -rwxr-xr-x 1 root
root 6776464 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/kernel7l.img -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root
7905013 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/kernel8.img -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root
6006696 Aug 15 16:44 /boot/kernel.img

It almost looks like the 4s have a slightly different CPU than the 3s.
I guess it's a hit and miss sort of thing *sigh*

I don't understand the *sigh*. The Pi 3 has an ARM Cortex-A53 the Pi 4 a Cortex-A7. Both are ARMv8-A and have also 32-bit support.

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On 25 Oct 2021 at 03:23a, Arelor pondered and said...

I have a local copy (many, actually) of everything that matters to me, including an impressive movie collection.
That would be a shelf and a half worth of DVDs, and that is not counting the VHS'.

Nice, yeah here we have a ton of DVD still, not mostly used but there if we need them. I still like to own copies of stuff vs paying monthly for it an loosing it when I stop.

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Hello Dr. What;

Dr. What wrote to N1uro <=-

No, I haven't seen those.

I almost was tempted to try one out since they use intel chipsets but since they're not at all popular I decided not to.

I tried out some Raspberry Pi-like systems before and was very disappointed in the hardware support that they had.

They really have opened up the market in this area.

I supposed if I was more into writing drivers, etc. I'd enjoy it more.
But these little systems are a means to an end, and I don't want to
spin my wheels getting the Wifi to work, for example, as opposed to working on the project that I intended in the first place.

That's one issue I found with these things, which is one reason I haven't ventured off into the Arduino area.

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Hello Dr. What;

Dr. What wrote to N1uro <=-

I don't believe that's true. The Pis have temperature controls on
them. If they get too hot, they shut down.

Imagine cable modems or wifi routers did that, what good would they be?
Stream off youtube for 30 minutes or hulu for a sporting event and they'd
never make it through. So if they do warm up, a fan is needed.

Most of my Pis run as "appliances" so they are on 24/7. Just to let
them live as long as possible, I have small fans on them to keep them
from getting too hot.

You just proved that fans are at the minumum highly "suggested".

And the Pi4 running as media player, when it playing, it will get hot.
But that one is in a case that IS one big heat sync.

They definitely require a heat-removal device of some sort then whether it be
a fan or large heat sink. If not then your Pi4 case would not come with one. The micro HDMI also doesn't make them seem too "user friendly" in regards
to just setting one up unless they come with an adapter.

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Hello doctor wade;

doctor wade wrote to N1uro <=-

In the old days we had Nagios connected to a server which would dial
out through a modem and send a page to an old school pager. All the engineers that worked at the ISP/Datcenter had to cary the pager for 7 days. That meant that you were on call for 24/7 that week and you had
30 minutes to achnowledge the page and work the issue. We monitored hundreds of T-1 circuts and servers from Fla to Canada. We had about 7 different circuit providers and I learned to hate them all except for Comcast. When we started carrying Comcast circuits back to the
Datacenter most of our connectivity issues went away. Even if you were
up all night working on an issue they expected you to be at work on
time the next day. When we started the pager rotation there were 12 of
us. By the time I retired there were 4 so the pager week seemed to come too quickly for my taste. I don't miss it or the commute but I guess i have a love hate relationship with Nagios. The program works quite
well. I will not be turning on the notifications though!

We did what we could to avoid the pager like the plague! I think if covid existed back then we'd go out of our way to catch it just to avoid that
little buzzing device! LOL

Comcast still has a lot to be desired. A friend of mine works in their residential customer retention. He was never trained at all!.. except just
how to kiss ass. He knew nothing about IP blocks, routing, firewalling, etc.
I taught him everything he knows.

The worst to deal with is AT&T. A WISP I was contracted to help had a customer who also had AT&T. They turned on BGP for this place and all of a sudden ALL AT&T traffic in New England went through my WISP client. When I called AT&T they refused to cooperate. Of course this began on a friday afternoon of a 3 day holiday weekend and the offending client was no where to be found. Had
he had a pager it may have been a different story... so there's good and bad with those old devices.

Now with smartphones pagers are pretty much obsoleted.

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Hello doctor wade;

doctor wade wrote to N1uro <=-

I have tried all the different programs and they just don't seem to
work with Maximus and OS/2. I have a copy of Lora BBS for OS/2 that is crippled without having a key so you are limited to 1 node and can not bypass the built in mailer. Oddly enough the qwk door in Lora works
great! You can download messages and read them. I have managed to get DBridge to toss the messages in Loras message base but it will not send them out. Lora does not seem to mark the messages that are outgoing in
a manner that Fastecho can pack and send out through D'Bridge. The
version of Lora I really like is 2.43b. I would run it full time if I
had acces to the key. I used to run Ubuntu and Virtalbox with OS/2. It
is not hard to set up and there are a few sites that have the instructions.

Wow... LoraBBS! I haven't heard that since around 1996! My first setup was Renegade with D'Bridge on DOS. When I got another line I switched it over to Desqview then finally migrated it over to OS/2 which it ran the best under. Eventually I switched to 6 lines and MajorBBS. I worked with a couple of guys from Texas on MajorFIDO which was a transparent fidonet mailer for Major.
It would make outbound calls on any free line and could take mail on any
line. Setup was pretty simple as well.

I'm on devuan but no virtualbox. I used to run VMWare years ago when I had
to run Windows so I could use IE to test client's websites with all differnt types of browsers, but now don't have such a need.

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Hello Vorlon;

Vorlon wrote to N1uro <=-

The screen connected is a requirement to get things going, then ssh is
the way. Plus also when you can't connect to it, and you need to find
out what's going on.

Absolutely. I've set up RPis before.

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Hello Spectre;

Spectre wrote to N1uro <=-

There is that, and finally crawling out the far side of lockdown it's probably worth trundling around the local haunts, they're cheap enough
if you can find something worth watching..

You also may be able to find some free movie streaming sites if you search
hard enough. :)

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Hello Oli;

Oli wrote to N1uro <=-

I don't understand the *sigh*. The Pi 3 has an ARM Cortex-A53 the Pi 4
a Cortex-A7. Both are ARMv8-A and have also 32-bit support.

The sigh was for hoping that they'd be v7 or below. I'm not much of a fan
of these units to begin with, this will be a great excuse to get away from them :)

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N1uro wrote to Dr. What <=-

That's one issue I found with these things, which is one reason I
haven't ventured off into the Arduino area.

I know what you mean. It's isn't really bad, since the Arduino is so simple that it's easy to hack stuff together.

But finding support for the Cool-new-hardware you just got (that's supposed
to be compatible with Arduino) can sometimes be very frustrating.


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N1uro wrote to Dr. What <=-

You just proved that fans are at the minumum highly "suggested".

Yes. Depending on use and Pi.

Pi0 - no fans or heat syncs needed.
Pi3 - Heat sink, or fan
Pi4 - Heat sink AND fan (or, as in my case, a REALLY big heat sink)

For my Christmas lights, I don't bother with any since the sealed case is outside in the cold.

They definitely require a heat-removal device of some sort then whether
it be a fan or large heat sink. If not then your Pi4 case would not
come with one. The micro HDMI also doesn't make them seem too "user friendly" in regards to just setting one up unless they come with an adapter.

I have some micro-HDMI to HDMI cables and adaptors are available (but usually don't fit well with other things).


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We did what we could to avoid the pager like the plague! I think if covid existed back then we'd go out of our way to catch it just to avoid that little buzzing device! LOL

I know what you mean. We used to pay the duty pager pay out of our pockets to anyone that was greedy enough to take it. We had one engineer that decided to teach himself BGP and OSPF and would carry the pager for weeks at a time. Turned out he was waiting till midnight and changing the routing. No one knew he was doing it as he had the pager that would alert to circuits bouncing up and down.I missed that guy when he finally moved on.

Comcast still has a lot to be desired. A friend of mine works in their residential customer retention. He was never trained at all!.. except
just how to kiss ass. He knew nothing about IP blocks, routing, firewalling, etc. I taught him everything he knows.

Cemturylink and XO were the worst back in my day. I hated calling their COs
in the middle of the night on a weekend. We sold so many Comcast circuits
that they gave us a special hot line into their NOC in Colorado. All we had
to give the techs were the state and address and they pretty much took it
from their. None of that " I am sorry I can't find that CID in my database" like the other guys or even worse when they woud tell you they couldn't find your customer number to even get started, More than once I would be onsite trying to get a customer back up and the other carriers would tell me I had an invalid CID and I was reading it off their T-1 cage. Glad those days are
over. I have a Comcast business circuit in my house. It has been down twice
in 4 years. (knock on wood that I didn't just jinx myself)

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Vorlon wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I have two entry level 4's, with no fans installed. They are used to
act as the control computer for my Christmas lights. They only get used for a month once the show is running. Other times they are stored with
the gear, and get a update just as I'm setting things up.

I have heat sinks on my 4, I should run it without the fan for a time. I'm assuming the Pi has thermal sensors that Linux can talk to...


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On 27 Oct 2021, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

I have heat sinks on my 4, I should run it without the fan for a time.
I'm assuming the Pi has thermal sensors that Linux can talk to...

I don't have a heatsink or fan on my Pi 4, but the case I'm using is somewhat open, and it's only running the BBS, so it's not like it's ever taxed.

It's the official PiDrive enclosure:

https://ibb.co/c12wGd0 (YouTube screen grab)
https://ibb.co/gmB1HRB (Product image from site I bought it from)


But now I'm wondering if I should at least have a heatsink on there:

pi@bbs:~ $ vcgencmd measure_temp
temp=60.8'C


Jay

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Warpslide wrote (2021-10-27):

I don't have a heatsink or fan on my Pi 4, but the case I'm using is somewhat open, and it's only running the BBS, so it's not like it's ever taxed.

But now I'm wondering if I should at least have a heatsink on there:

pi@bbs:~ $ vcgencmd measure_temp
temp=60.8'C

This is why I like the old Pi 2.

idle:
$ vcgencmd measure_temp
temp=33.1'C

compiling stuff:
$ vcgencmd measure_temp
temp=37.9'C

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N1uro wrote (2021-10-26):

Hello Oli;

Oli wrote to N1uro <=-

I don't understand the *sigh*. The Pi 3 has an ARM Cortex-A53 the
Pi 4 a Cortex-A7. Both are ARMv8-A and have also 32-bit support.

The sigh was for hoping that they'd be v7 or below. I'm not much of a fan of these units to begin with, this will be a great excuse to get away from them :)

ARMv7 code does run on ARMv8 chips / Pi 3 and Pi 4. 32-bit on Arm is dying anyway:

"Arm has set the date from when its high-end smartphone and laptop-grade Cortex-A processor cores will go fully 64-bit only.

And that date is some time in 2022, when Arm is set to unveil its CPU design code-named Makalu that we'd like to guess is the Cortex-A80. Subsequent top-end Cortex-A cores will also be 64-bit only, meaning no support for running 32-bit software natively. Devices using these 64-bit-only cores are expected to go on sale by 2023.
[...]"

Full story: https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/08/arm_32bit_support/

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On 28 Oct 2021, Oli said the following...

pi@bbs:~ $ vcgencmd measure_temp
temp=60.8'C

This is why I like the old Pi 2.

idle:
$ vcgencmd measure_temp
temp=33.1'C

compiling stuff:
$ vcgencmd measure_temp
temp=37.9'C

I decided to monitor the temperature while packing my message bases and it crept up to almost 71C. Never really considered any of this stuff "taxing" but I guess it is. I wonder how hot it gets while zipping up my whole BBS directory during the nightly backup.


Jay

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On 28 Oct 2021, Warpslide said the following...

I decided to monitor the temperature while packing my message bases and
it crept up to almost 71C. Never really considered any of this stuff "taxing" but I guess it is. I wonder how hot it gets while zipping up
my whole BBS directory during the nightly backup.

Curiosity got the better of me.

While zipping up my whole BBS directory which takes about 6 minutes to complete:

Starting Temperature: 60.8C

While Zipping:
Min Temperature: 71.1C
Max Temperature: 84.2C
Average Temperature: 80.3C

Within two minutes after completion the temperature fell below 70C and about 7 minutes after completion the temperature returned to starting.

I have a fan/heatsink combo being delivered today from Amazon: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B091L1XKL6/

It has PWM speed control so I can set it to come on once the CPU reaches a certain temperature right from raspi-config.


Jay

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Hello Dr. What;

Dr. What wrote to N1uro <=-

I know what you mean. It's isn't really bad, since the Arduino is so simple that it's easy to hack stuff together.

So I've heard. I have yet to venture down the Arduino path.

But finding support for the Cool-new-hardware you just got (that's supposed to be compatible with Arduino) can sometimes be very
frustrating.

It's almost parallel to that of the PC world especially with linux, but
if I'm going to pull hairs a bit for new hardware support I'd rather do it
on a platform that has more horesepower :)


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Hello Dr. What;

Dr. What wrote to N1uro <=-

Pi0 - no fans or heat syncs needed.
Pi3 - Heat sink, or fan
Pi4 - Heat sink AND fan (or, as in my case, a REALLY big heat sink)

I notice hardly anyone mentions Pi2s! I actually do have one. Never even
came out of the box to look at it. That's a good table though.

For my Christmas lights, I don't bother with any since the sealed case
is outside in the cold.

LOL that's almost like saying: hang them out your window <G>

I have some micro-HDMI to HDMI cables and adaptors are available (but usually don't fit well with other things).

I figure they were made. I just got a few microUSB<>USB adapters since soon most of my smartphones will become wifi-only micro-tablets and this will
allow me to use keyboards with them. Zoiper will let me continue to use
them as phones but only around the house. So sad that the Note 3 and 4s are being obsoleted.

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Hello doctor wade;

doctor wade wrote to N1uro <=-

I know what you mean. We used to pay the duty pager pay out of our
pockets to anyone that was greedy enough to take it. We had one
engineer that decided to teach himself BGP and OSPF and would carry the pager for weeks at a time. Turned out he was waiting till midnight and changing the routing. No one knew he was doing it as he had the pager
that would alert to circuits bouncing up and down.I missed that guy
when he finally moved on.

LOL that's funny. After I fixed the commercial SDSL issues for RCN back in
the day when DSL was still new, I was offered a nice position with a startup ISP in the Boston region. The venture capitalist firm they used had us initially subleasing lines from the old Harvard.net so we had to get IPs
from them - and they weren't that cooperative perhaps because they saw the writing on the wall about being forced to shut down. Eventually we used up their IP pool and they told us we had to get our own block. When you apply
for IPs with ARIN, they'll do a ping sweep of your "used blocks" to see if you're at x% capacity... they'll do this at least 3 times prior to making a decision. So.. I engineered a way for each router's loopback to answer almost all unused IPs for a period of 2 weeks while ARIN did their random ping sweeps. Once we received a confirmation that our /21 was approved I removed the IPs from loopback and all was good. It earned me a major promotion since no one could figure out how to fake-out ARIN.

Cemturylink and XO were the worst back in my day. I hated calling their COs in the middle of the night on a weekend. We sold so many Comcast circuits that they gave us a special hot line into their NOC in
Colorado. All we had to give the techs were the state and address and
they pretty much took it from their. None of that " I am sorry I can't find that CID in my database" like the other guys or even worse when
they woud tell you they couldn't find your customer number to even get started, More than once I would be onsite trying to get a customer back
up and the other carriers would tell me I had an invalid CID and I was reading it off their T-1 cage. Glad those days are over. I have a
Comcast business circuit in my house. It has been down twice in 4
years. (knock on wood that I didn't just jinx myself)

Centurylink I've heard nothing but horror stories on. XO a few but not like Centurylink. Qwest as well wasn't anything to write home about. AT&T was
the worst for me this way. I had a customer that had an AT&T T1 line through
us that AT&T found all the information but insisted they saw it up and working when the customer had us see that their smartjack was DOA. They refused
a technician dispatch since they insisted they saw it from their NOC. That was one customer we weren't able to keep.

I was considering getting a business line from them as one of my current clients has a comcast business line. They've lost internet several times
due to power related issues - which is sort of funny since it's an electrical contractor <G> I keep saying: U P S and I can get them fairly inexpensive for decent APC units but they don't want to spend the money. In time they will.



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Hello poindexter FORTRAN;

poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vorlon <=-

I have heat sinks on my 4, I should run it without the fan for a time.
I'm assuming the Pi has thermal sensors that Linux can talk to...

Yes they do. I have scripts I made where I can call up the CPU and GPU temps
of my Pi router:

n1uro@gw:/usr/local/bin$ cputemp
CPU temp = 118 F / 48.6 C
Video Temp = 118 F / 48 C

I could have it run events if it got too hot.

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Hello Oli;

Oli wrote to N1uro <=-

ARMv7 code does run on ARMv8 chips / Pi 3 and Pi 4. 32-bit on Arm is
dying anyway:

"Arm has set the date from when its high-end smartphone and
laptop-grade Cortex-A processor cores will go fully 64-bit only.

Good to know about the code. I know 32 bit processors are on their way out.
Not just on the Pis but in general.

And that date is some time in 2022, when Arm is set to unveil its CPU design code-named Makalu that we'd like to guess is the Cortex-A80. Subsequent top-end Cortex-A cores will also be 64-bit only, meaning no support for running 32-bit software natively. Devices using these 64-bit-only cores are expected to go on sale by 2023. [...]"

Fortunately, for now anyway, linux has backward compatability support for 32-bit apps on 64-bit environments.

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On 28 Oct 2021, Warpslide said the following...

I have a fan/heatsink combo being delivered today from Amazon: https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B091L1XKL6/

Remember those old Bugs Bunny cartoons where Bugs would drop something in a mailbox and 5 seconds later a postman would come by? "Package for Bugs Bunny!"

I feel like I live in that world, about an hour ago this fan/heatsink combo arrived on my door step.

This contraption has been installed on my Pi for about an hour now. Idle temperature seems to fluctuate between 49.6-51.6'C. This is without the fan running all the time. I have the fan set to come on at 60'C. So just the heatsink alone is making a difference.


I zipped my BBS directory again with this fan/heatsink combo installed and here are the results:

Starting Temperature: 51.2

While Zipping:
Min Temperature: 53.0
Max Temperature: 63.7
Average Temperature: 57.1

The fan was off when I started, once the cpu temperature rose above 60 the fan kicked in and the temperature stayed in the high 50s for the rest of the procedure. It still took about six minutes for the whole directory to zip up, so I guess that tells me I wasn't getting throttled before.


Jay

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On 28 Oct 2021, Warpslide said the following...

This contraption has been installed on my Pi for about an hour now. Idle temperature seems to fluctuate between 49.6-51.6'C. This is without the fan running all the time. I have the fan set to come on at 60'C.

Last update on this, then I'll shut up about it... ;)

Seems like the heatsink had to acclimate a little more before settling down.

I've been running a script for the past few hours that would log the CPU temperature every 2 seconds, seems like the average "idle" temperature is now 56.3.

Min Temp: 54.6'C
Max Temp: 59.9'C
Avg Temp: 56.3'C

Temperature Readings: 7716


Jay

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Oli wrote to Warpslide <=-

idle:
$ vcgencmd measure_temp
temp=33.1'C

My 3 is doing nothing and is running 46.2c with heat sinks. :(


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curious as to which model Pi you may be using? I've been using a 1B
for quite a few years mainly as a router only and with minimum
logging as to keep the read/writes to the SDCard as little as
possible.

try Log2Ram for taking the log writes away from your sd card https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-log2ram/

i have a first generation pi for tor routing, one version 4 pi for the
bbs and one version 3 pi as a mediaplayer in the living room.

Regards,
Mindsurfer

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