• w0w. John McAfee dies of suicide...

    From paulie420@21:2/150 to All on Wednesday, June 23, 2021 20:36:38
    Hours after a Spanish court authorized his extradition to the U.S.

    All because of tax evasion charges - which other U.S. businessmen (and past Presidents) get away with decade after decade.

    John was a wild hare - but he was also a computer pioneer. Wish he wouldn't have went out this way...



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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to paulie420 on Thursday, June 24, 2021 00:22:00
    Hello paulie420!

    ** On Wednesday 23.06.21 - 20:36, paulie420 wrote to All:

    Hours after a Spanish court authorized his extradition to
    the U.S.

    All because of tax evasion charges - which other U.S.
    businessmen (and past Presidents) get away with decade
    after decade.

    The tax evasion angle was just the foot in the door, and the
    minimum to extadite. Money laundering was another accusation.

    "I have nothing": Imprisoned software guru John McAfee says his
    CRYPTO fortune is gone, he's BROKE, FRIENDLESS!

    Software anti-virus pioneer John McAfee tweeted:

    "I have nothing. Yet, I regret nothing," adding: "The US
    believes I have hidden crypto. I wish I did but it has
    dissolved through the many hands of Team McAfee (your belief is
    not required), and my remaining assets are all seized." He also
    added his friends have all evaporated through fear of
    association.

    McAfee is wanted by the U.S. for money laundering and tax
    evasion. After several years of hiding out on his yacht in the
    Caribbean, he was arrested in Spain and is facing extradition
    to the U.S.

    McAfee is accused of allegedly scamming $13 million from
    cryptocurrency "pump-and-dump" schemes and of concealing $23
    million from artificially boosting seven cryptocurrency
    offerings.


    John was a wild hare - but he was also a computer pioneer.
    Wish he wouldn't have went out this way...

    I wasn't even aware that he was penned up in jail for NINE
    months! I'm surprised that Spain had something to go after him
    like that.

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  • From Greenlfc@21:2/150 to Ogg on Wednesday, June 23, 2021 22:09:37
    Yeah, McAfee killed himself just like Epstein...

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  • From N1uro@21:4/107 to Ogg on Thursday, June 24, 2021 09:14:00
    Hello Ogg;

    I wasn't even aware that he was penned up in jail for NINE
    months! I'm surprised that Spain had something to go after him
    like that.

    In this case, there was big "ransom" in the form of holding him for extradition. Spain most likely bagged him on a fugitive charge.

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Ogg on Thursday, June 24, 2021 17:23:07
    The tax evasion angle was just the foot in the door, and the
    minimum to extadite. Money laundering was another accusation.

    McAfee is accused of allegedly scamming $13 million from
    cryptocurrency "pump-and-dump" schemes and of concealing $23
    million from artificially boosting seven cryptocurrency
    offerings.

    No matter what, it was all money issues - he was 75 years old and... while I wasn't aware that he might of STOLEN from INDIVIDUALS its still a sucky way to go out. He must of just thought that even 10 years would be a death sentance... too bad.

    I wasn't even aware that he was penned up in jail for NINE
    months! I'm surprised that Spain had something to go after him
    like that.

    Me either... I followed his wild ride in.. Belize??? TBH he's probably guilty of more than just money issues, I don't care about the tax evasion, its weird how karma seems to work things out.

    His 'wife' [as if I have the right to put that in quotes] is probably better off in the end, and might get to slow down herself. She seems like a firecracker, too, but I wonder how much of that was just a show for ole man McAfee...



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Greenlfc on Thursday, June 24, 2021 17:25:26
    Yeah, McAfee killed himself just like Epstein...

    I think thats a pretty true statement.

    These people were facing what they thought was a death sentence and took the easy way out. I don't know why thats so hard for folks to swallow.

    While I say that, I'm not saying there isn't a possibility of foul-play in the Epstien case - he was a horrible worst-of-the-worst human being. I wouldn't be too upset with the person(s) who DID take him out, if thats the case.

    Personally, I think both individuals took the easy way out... if you can't do the time...



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  • From Greenlfc@21:2/150 to paulie420 on Thursday, June 24, 2021 21:29:35
    On 24 Jun 2021, paulie420 said the following...

    Yeah, McAfee killed himself just like Epstein...

    I think thats a pretty true statement.

    These people were facing what they thought was a death sentence and took the easy way out. I don't know why thats so hard for folks to swallow.

    While I say that, I'm not saying there isn't a possibility of foul-play
    in the Epstien case - he was a horrible worst-of-the-worst human being.
    I wouldn't be too upset with the person(s) who DID take him out, if
    thats the case.


    There's too much weird stuff with Epstein to think he really killed himself. The guards walking off, etc. He was going to start naming names and TPTB couldn't have that happen.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to paulie420 on Friday, June 25, 2021 03:20:03
    Re: Re: w0w. John McAfee dies of suicide...
    By: paulie420 to Greenlfc on Thu Jun 24 2021 05:25 pm

    Yeah, McAfee killed himself just like Epstein...

    I think thats a pretty true statement.

    These people were facing what they thought was a death sentence and took the easy way out. I don't know why thats so hard for folks to swallow.


    I have not been following the Epstein case at all. However, I have been told that one of the last Tweets from McAffee was "Know that if I hang myself, a la Epstein, it will be no fault of mine."

    So I am more than ready to eat popcorn while conspiracy theories roll in.

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  • From Argos@21:1/203 to paulie420 on Friday, June 25, 2021 08:14:46

    Yeah, McAfee killed himself just like Epstein...

    I think thats a pretty true statement.

    Just putting it out there ... can it be plausible?

    Epstein did not "kill himself" whereas it was murdered and it has been a massive cover up! ...... He was Murdered and it was ordered by very
    political and powerful person(s) because if he ever went to trail the real truth would come out and many, many very powerful folks would be discovered
    of the child abuse that happened in the sex trafficking if minors. It is despicable and he deserved to have extended to him capital punishment for all the harm that was caused, BUT, more folks names are in the "book" that are
    both political and powerful........ the dirty little secrets should of been reviled. I bet the FBI knows!

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Greenlfc on Friday, June 25, 2021 17:06:38
    There's too much weird stuff with Epstein to think he really killed himself. The guards walking off, etc. He was going to start naming
    names and TPTB couldn't have that happen.

    Whos TPTB (the people that be?)? I guess that could be a thing... I still think its a guy who knew his life was going to be prison until he died - and so... he made himself die a little quicker.



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Arelor on Friday, June 25, 2021 17:15:36
    I have not been following the Epstein case at all. However, I have been told that one of the last Tweets from McAffee was "Know that if I hang myself, a la Epstein, it will be no fault of mine."

    So I am more than ready to eat popcorn while conspiracy theories roll in.

    Even more than that, he recently got a '$Whackd' tattoo, I believe while in jail... but neither of those hold much weight with me. I mean... of COURSE someone who was going to take themselves out, and especially with the character of McAfee, would say that and get a tattoo insinuating that his suicide was a murder by the state...

    I dunno; I wouldn't be BLOWN AWAY if it came out that someone/something else was at play here - but... I do think that, both in the Epstein and McAfee cases, when yer thinking that literally the rest of your days are going to be lived inside a prison - thats very compelling suicide issues.

    So while I don't know... I feel bad that McAfee went out this way - wish he wouldn't have needed to live so crazy in this past decade +... but he did. And, this was his end... somewhere in there was a really intelligent and technical person - although I don't think that part of him was at the forefront of his dealings for some time...

    Ugh. The Epstien thing... I don't care who killed him - GOOD. :P I wish he could have suffered longer, but ... at LEAST he won't be hurting anyone ever again.



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Argos on Friday, June 25, 2021 17:22:04
    Yeah, McAfee killed himself just like Epstein...

    I think thats a pretty true statement.

    Just putting it out there ... can it be plausible?

    See, I don't think its '[of an argument or statement] seeming reasonable or probable.' but... I think its a POSSIBILITY.

    Epstein did not "kill himself" whereas it was murdered and it has been a massive cover up! ...... He was Murdered and it was ordered by very political and powerful person(s) because if he ever went to trail the
    real truth would come out and many, many very powerful folks would be discovered of the child abuse that happened in the sex trafficking if minors. It is despicable and he deserved to have extended to him capital punishment for all the harm that was caused, BUT, more folks names are
    in the "book" that are both political and powerful........ the dirty little secrets should of been reviled. I bet the FBI knows!

    I agree that this could have happened - I certainly agree that the 'book' contains MANY more names and I wish we could have seen the trial of Epstein... while I'd of hated for the victims to have to go through anymore hardships, I wish he had to answer for his wrongs... damn rich scumbag - and children... Jesus. I mean... how hard is it to write down names or name people, tho - like... I dunno... I think if he was going to do that, he already would have. He could tell his lawyers, write a letter... anything.

    Point is, for me - I don't know what happened. I'm glad hes not on Earth anymore... and I don't think we'll ever know the truth. :/ It is easier for me to think he hung his ass because he was a lame.



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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to paulie420 on Friday, June 25, 2021 23:57:00
    Hello paulie420!

    ** On Friday 25.06.21 - 17:06, paulie420 wrote to Greenlfc:

    There's too much weird stuff with Epstein to think he
    really killed himself. The guards walking off, etc. He
    was going to start naming names and TPTB couldn't have
    that happen.

    Whos TPTB (the people that be?)? I guess that could be a
    thing... I still think its a guy who knew his life was
    going to be prison until he died -and so... he made himself
    die a little quicker.

    But can you imagine what it would take to all of a sudden kill
    yourself when there is no proclivity to do so? From his
    background, it looked like he enjoyed life far too much to just
    end it all.

    If he offed himself, he would have at least said goodbye to his
    wife and closest friends - or something.
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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to paulie420 on Saturday, June 26, 2021 05:51:18
    Re: Re: w0w. John McAfee dies of suicide...
    By: paulie420 to Arelor on Fri Jun 25 2021 05:15 pm

    I dunno; I wouldn't be BLOWN AWAY if it came out that someone/something else was at play here - but... I do think that, both in the Epstein and McAfee cases, when yer thinking that literally the rest of your days are going to b lived inside a prison - thats very compelling suicide issues.


    Dunno, lots of people get tough as heck sentences and don't commit suicide.

    There is people who is sentenced for life and they run organized crime operations from within prison. Picture that.

    By the way, I recenlty read a Spanish joke online. It goes like this:

    Biden and Pedro Sánchez are in the midle of a meeting. Sánchez is a whimp and Biden knows is, so he tells Sánchez:

    "Make me a coffee."

    To which Sánchez responds:

    "¿Que mate a McAffee? Vale." (Kill McAffee? Ok.)


    Back to the topic: most suicidal individuals don't want to die. This surprises people, but it is how it is. They don't want to die but they want to stop suffering. Big difference here. Suicidal people usually has still enough love for life that they attempt to put their affairs in order before jumping of the bridge, and this is actually a first grade warning sign that somebody is planning to die. If you see somebody signing his will, giving his dog in adoption, and donating his art collection to a museum, you can bet this guy is planning to die.

    So, for the sake of conspiracy popcorn, did McAffee get involved in any behavior such as this one? Because if he didn't, it proves nothing, but added to the "I didn't suicide" message it starts to look very, very suspicious.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to paulie420 on Saturday, June 26, 2021 06:01:39
    Re: Re: w0w. John McAfee dies of suicide...
    By: paulie420 to Argos on Fri Jun 25 2021 05:22 pm

    Yeah, McAfee killed himself just like Epstein...

    I think thats a pretty true statement.

    Just putting it out there ... can it be plausible?

    See, I don't think its '[of an argument or statement] seeming reasonable or probable.' but... I think its a POSSIBILITY.


    I am not saying this is the case, but it is not a secret that high profile politicians have private praetorians that don't show up in the accounting books. They have everything from security contractors to opsec experts to problem solvers and they often scout ahead of the official security services offered by the respective government to the politician.

    What do you think these mercenaries are for?


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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Ogg on Saturday, June 26, 2021 11:22:13
    But can you imagine what it would take to all of a sudden kill
    yourself when there is no proclivity to do so? From his
    background, it looked like he enjoyed life far too much to just
    end it all.

    If he offed himself, he would have at least said goodbye to his
    wife and closest friends - or something.

    I think he enjoyed LIVING life, getting away with things - being the supreme ruler of his w0rld... I think he liked the feeling that no one could stop him... of skipping town when murder investigations were looming AND MAKING IT OUT... I think he liked being the big shot with an arsenal... I think he liked being 'rich' no matter how he got there; if he couldn't create another McAfee, he'll hustle in crypto no matter how the earnings rolled in. And if a country was gonna investigate that, he liked just setting sail and getting out of dodge.

    I think the thought he was going to be able to take his new found riches to yet another country and live another decade by his rules...

    And they popped his ass. These are things that would make someone as arrogant as McAfee to take his own life, I think. It doesn't take a strong man to hang themselves...

    Anyway, both discussions about McAfee AND Epstein HAVE opened my mind that theres a possibility some foul play might have been present in either of these cases - but I would hope people could see that both of these individuals had reasons to commit suicide, too.

    Who knows...



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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Arelor on Saturday, June 26, 2021 11:29:23
    Back to the topic: most suicidal individuals don't want to die. This surprises people, but it is how it is. They don't want to die but they want to stop suffering. Big difference here. Suicidal people usually has still enough love for life that they attempt to put their affairs in
    order before jumping of the bridge, and this is actually a first grade warning sign that somebody is planning to die. If you see somebody
    signing his will, giving his dog in adoption, and donating his art collection to a museum, you can bet this guy is planning to die.

    So, for the sake of conspiracy popcorn, did McAffee get involved in any behavior such as this one? Because if he didn't, it proves nothing, but added to the "I didn't suicide" message it starts to look very, very suspicious.

    Fair enough... I actually agree with the bulk of your post, but... it seems that you take his tweeets about NOT committing suicide and the tattoo that he had gotten just before his death ["$Wackd"] as more ticks on the foul play side.

    I almost think these two things are ticks for the suicide side. Don't throw me in that briar patch...



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to paulie420 on Friday, June 25, 2021 05:19:00
    paulie420 wrote to Greenlfc <=-

    While I say that, I'm not saying there isn't a possibility of foul-play
    in the Epstien case - he was a horrible worst-of-the-worst human being.
    I wouldn't be too upset with the person(s) who DID take him out, if
    thats the case.

    Yes, but with Epstein there's the notion that he's got information that important, powerful people would want to keep silent.


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  • From Otto Reverse@21:1/225 to paulie420 on Monday, June 28, 2021 14:40:44
    I dunno; I wouldn't be BLOWN AWAY if it came out that someone/something else was at play here - but... I do think that, both in the Epstein and McAfee cases, when yer thinking that literally the rest of your days are going to be lived inside a prison - thats very compelling suicide issues.

    Ugh. The Epstien thing... I don't care who killed him - GOOD. :P I wish
    he could have suffered longer, but ... at LEAST he won't be hurting
    anyone ever again.

    I give both about 50/50 they did it or were whacked. The Epstien case is
    very suspicious. Too many coincidences. And as was said earlier, his death means no trial which means several other abusers go unknown and unpunished.
    As for the death of Epstien itself, I'd have preferred to see him rot in
    jail. Do some hard time with some hardened criminals. General population, no special treatment or club fed.

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Otto Reverse on Monday, June 28, 2021 15:42:34
    I give both about 50/50 they did it or were whacked. The Epstien case is very suspicious. Too many coincidences. And as was said earlier, his death means no trial which means several other abusers go unknown and unpunished. As for the death of Epstien itself, I'd have preferred to
    see him rot in jail. Do some hard time with some hardened criminals. General population, no special treatment or club fed.

    I'm with you on that part 100%... that sucker should have had to live that term out, man. If it were suicide, with either of these - but much moreso with Epstein, prisons should MAKE SURE they don't have the tools needed to go that route.

    The fact that that guy like literally thought he could abuse those teenagers AND GET AWAY WITH IT!!?! I think he KNEW that nothing would ever happen... and I am happy that times are changing for this sort of stuff... it ain't 1950 anymore, and the abusers are starting to have to answer for their actions.

    ... Sorry... My mind has a few bad sectors.



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  • From Otto Reverse@21:1/225 to paulie420 on Friday, July 09, 2021 15:52:45
    ... Sorry... My mind has a few bad sectors.

    lol. Nope, not bad sectors at all. Certain crimes deserve certain punishment.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to paulie420 on Thursday, July 15, 2021 18:51:00
    Hello paulie420!

    ** On Saturday 26.06.21 - 11:22, paulie420 wrote to Ogg:

    And they popped his ass. These are things that would make
    someone as arrogant as McAfee to take his own life, I
    think. It doesn't take a strong man to hang themselves...

    Anyway, both discussions about McAfee AND Epstein HAVE
    opened my mind that theres a possibility some foul play
    might have been present in either of these cases - but I
    would hope people could see that both of these individuals
    had reasons to commit suicide, too.

    It's a sad commentary to think that there is a reason for
    anyone to commit suicide. Sure.. people may get to the point
    where things feel hopeless and that the only solution is to
    escape the pain. But those people need help, not "you have a
    good reason to kill yourself". :/

    I haven't followed McAfee's life, but he didn't sound like the
    kind of person to just suddenly take his life without making
    some bold statements first or to be heard.

    Who knows...

    McAfee's wife released what she was told was his suicide note.
    It does NOT read like a suicide note, but just a note about
    "stuff".


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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Ogg on Friday, July 16, 2021 11:14:45
    but I
    would hope people could see that both of these individuals
    had reasons to commit suicide, too.

    It's a sad commentary to think that there is a reason for
    anyone to commit suicide. Sure.. people may get to the point
    where things feel hopeless and that the only solution is to
    escape the pain. But those people need help, not "you have a
    good reason to kill yourself". :/

    No one told any suicidal person "you have a good reason to kill yourself". I said that they both had reasons that they'd doso. One was facing, literally, the next 100 years in prision and the other was a wild drug addict that... if you looked at any section of his life has totally shown the world that hes capable of ANY crazy thing none of us would think about... he lived that way, doing the unthinkable, his entire life.

    At any rate, your reply doesn't fit - as no one was doing what it stated, at any time.



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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to paulie420 on Friday, July 16, 2021 19:34:51
    Re: Re: w0w. John McAfee dies of suicide...
    By: paulie420 to Ogg on Fri Jul 16 2021 11:14 am

    No one told any suicidal person "you have a good reason to kill yourself". I

    You should spend a little more time on the Internet. I guarantee you you will se that.

    The best part is the guys who won't be telling the suicidal person to kill himself will be telling him to escape his problems through drugs.

    The Internet is such an awesome reservoire of humanity, solidarity and compasion.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to paulie420 on Saturday, July 17, 2021 13:56:03
    No one told any suicidal person "you have a good reason to kill
    yourself". I said that they both had reasons that they'd doso. One was

    I know it's not what you mean, but if my dad had wanted to kill himself
    during the late stages of lung cancer, I would have definitely agreed that he had a good reason to kill himself.

    I was glad for whatever additional time I got, but if he were a cat or dog
    we would've euthanized him.

    But not like I'm disagreeing with you, here.

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Adept on Saturday, July 17, 2021 13:20:14
    I know it's not what you mean, but if my dad had wanted to kill himself during the late stages of lung cancer, I would have definitely agreed
    that he had a good reason to kill himself.

    I was glad for whatever additional time I got, but if he were a cat or
    dog we would've euthanized him.

    Ugh, Adept... I'm sorry. I hear you, but man - hard stuff. :/



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