I know some people have worse reactions, but i just have a bit of drowsiness.


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Utopian Galt wrote to All <=-

I know some people have worse reactions, but i just have a bit of drowsiness.

My first one was worse. Neither were horrible. I suspect the first one
might have been a little worse because I was more nervous about it. For
the second one, I knew a little more what to expect plus, when I got there,
the place was not packed at all. If it was not for the 15 minute
observation time, I am not sure I would have been in there more than 10 minutes.



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We had someone with a real bad reaction to the vaccine where the ambulence was called.

Ponder, wonder what type of reaction it is. Something like a allergy or something else....


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Utopian Galt wrote to Blue White <=-

We had someone with a real bad reaction to the vaccine where the
ambulence was called.

That was something else, too. The first time, in the recovery room, I had
to take a seat near the front where the nurses were within earshot. They apparently had a few people who had bad reactions earlier that day, as well
as one guy (maybe with a reaction or maybe not) slumped over and immediately fell backwards in his chair. He claimed he fell asleep and was OK but they called the paramedics on him, too.

I had forgot all that by they time I got the second shot. Glad I did.
Didn't remember it again until just now.



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We had someone with a real bad reaction to the vaccine where the ambulence was called.

That was something else, too. The first time, in the recovery room, I
had to take a seat near the front where the nurses were within earshot. They apparently had a few people who had bad reactions earlier that day, as well as one guy (maybe with a reaction or maybe not) slumped over and immediately fell backwards in his chair. He claimed he fell asleep and was OK but they called the paramedics on him, too.

Just another reply for ... info. When I was getting my first vaccine shot a woman in the waiting room had a bad reaction to the vaccine and vomited and became unconscious. She was taken away in an ambulance, and no one would REALLY answer questions because of Hippa; even tho the questions were more like... 'what did I just see with my own eyes'. I wanted to know if she was breathing and stuff, but - it didn't seem like THAT.

I think there ARE reactions to the vaccine, but LOOKED like this woman was getting the attention she needed to make a recovery from her reaction.



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Hello paulie420!

** On Monday 10.05.21 - 05:08, paulie420 wrote to Blue White:

Just another reply for ... info. When I was getting my
first vaccine shot a woman in the waiting room had a bad
reaction to the vaccine and vomited and became unconscious.
She was taken away in an ambulance, and no one would REALLY
answer questions because of Hippa; even tho the questions
were more like... 'what did I just see with my own eyes'. I
wanted to know if she was breathing and stuff, but - it
didn't seem like THAT.

Or choked on her vomit. If so, cause of death - choking, not
the jab. :/

I think there ARE reactions to the vaccine, but LOOKED like
this woman was getting the attention she needed to make a
recovery from her reaction.

Ok.

When you settle down for the jab, do they ask you about any
health conditions you might have, and explain when it is NOT
preferred to take a jab risk?


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paulie420 wrote to Blue White <=-

I think there ARE reactions to the vaccine, but LOOKED like this woman
was getting the attention she needed to make a recovery from her
reaction.

I agree they probably are, too. With any other vax, you are usually not in
a large group of people. Usually, I am either in my Dr office or the only
one getting a shot at the pharmacy, so you don't see others having reactions. It makes the reactions seem out of the ordinary when, in reality, they may
not be so.

It made the second one easier with less going on around me in the recovery room, though, and not hearing any stories the nurses were telling about
their day.

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I think there ARE reactions to the vaccine, but LOOKED like
this woman was getting the attention she needed to make a
recovery from her reaction.

When you settle down for the jab, do they ask you about any
health conditions you might have, and explain when it is NOT
preferred to take a jab risk?

Yea.. fairly sure she didn't die. Not stop breathing; my message was to point out that there are serious reactions to the Covid vaccine.

They didn't verbally state any risks - they did verbally ask questions to protect their liabilities... the information about risks was on a 5 page document, in one spot.



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It made the second one easier with less going on around me in the
recovery room, though, and not hearing any stories the nurses were
telling about their day.

I get my 2nd dose of Moderna in a week or so.



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I get my 2nd dose of Moderna in a week or so.

pAULIE42o

Hey, I just booked my vaccine in 2 weeks.. prob get the Pifzer one. So exciting.... haha the little things in life ;)

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Yea.. fairly sure she didn't die. Not stop breathing; my message was to point out that there are serious reactions to the Covid vaccine.

I hear that a lot of them end up being because of people being anxious about getting the vaccine.

I imagine it's hard to tease all the various issues apart.

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I get my 2nd dose of Moderna in a week or so.

There was a skit on SNL last week (I don't know why my wife and I still
watch this mostly unfunny low-budget live comedy thing, probably
nostalgia) but in the skit, folks were at a party for the first time
since getting vaccinated, and people are like "I got Moderna..." or "I
got Pfizer" -- and another dude says "I got J&J..." and everyone scoots
away from him nervously.

That WAS kinda funny.

Because I got the J&J, and my wife shifted away from me on the couch, ha.



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Re: Re: Got the second vaccine
By: Blue White to paulie420 on Mon May 10 2021 04:05 pm

paulie420 wrote to Blue White <=-

I think there ARE reactions to the vaccine, but LOOKED like this woman was getting the attention she needed to make a recovery from her reaction.

I agree they probably are, too. With any other vax, you are usually not in a large group of people. Usually, I am either in my Dr office or the only one getting a shot at the pharmacy, so you don't see others having reactions. It makes the reactions s
out of the ordinary when, in reality, they may
not be so.

It made the second one easier with less going on around me in the recovery room, though, and not heari
any stories the nurses were telling about
their day.

... 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.

I got a bit conscious about vaccine reactions myself after I gave one to one of my mares, and she got
_really sore_, to the point of refusing food for a couple of days.

For those who don't know, lack of appetite in a horse is a bad bad thing. Horses love their salad. A
regular horse can be dying and still keep on eating their salad with a happy face. If a horse does not
want to eat her salad it means she feels worse than rubbish.

I still give them the vaccines for the really nefarious diseases but I am aware vaccines are not free
from issues in general.


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I get my 2nd dose of Moderna in a week or so.

Hey, I just booked my vaccine in 2 weeks.. prob get the Pifzer one. So exciting.... haha the little things in life ;)
./)arkman /\lmighty.

My experience with the Moderna one, the 1st shot anyway, was that I didn't experience and sickness type reactions - but I did get a wicked Fauci Ouchie on my arm @ the injection site. I mean... it was like a 6" cirlce of super-suck pain for 2 days.

Just really tender, and you were reminded that you took something substansial and that it IS doing things inside of you... I have heard to prepare for more substantial sickness or reactions from the 2nd. We'll see... :P



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Yea.. fairly sure she didn't die. Not stop breathing; my message was point out that there are serious reactions to the Covid vaccine.

I hear that a lot of them end up being because of people being anxious about getting the vaccine.

I imagine it's hard to tease all the various issues apart.

I agree. I got vaccinated and think the world should doso, too.



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I get my 2nd dose of Moderna in a week or so.

There was a skit on SNL last week (I don't know why my wife and I still watch this mostly unfunny low-budget live comedy thing, probably nostalgia) but in the skit, folks were at a party for the first time
since getting vaccinated, and people are like "I got Moderna..." or "I
got Pfizer" -- and another dude says "I got J&J..." and everyone scoots away from him nervously.

That WAS kinda funny.

Because I got the J&J, and my wife shifted away from me on the couch, ha.

Lol. For some folks; my biz associate who still travels for work and staying in one spot for a month is tough...

Or school kids, because they can get the poke and be DONE, I think j&j is worthy and should continue to be used. And watched.

Now, for us normal middle-agers; I'm not coming to your tea party. :P Lol - kidding...



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I get my 2nd dose of Moderna in a week or so.

I get mine tomorrow night!! I am just hoping I don't get the side effects I
had with the first! I was dead for 3 full days and half of the 4th!

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paulie420 wrote to Blue White <=-

It made the second one easier with less going on around me in the
recovery room, though, and not hearing any stories the nurses were
telling about their day.

I get my 2nd dose of Moderna in a week or so.

Hope yours goes as smooth as mine (also Moderna)!


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On 11 May 2021, paulie420 said the following...

My experience with the Moderna one, the 1st shot anyway, was that I
didn't experience and sickness type reactions - but I did get a wicked Fauci Ouchie on my arm @ the injection site. I mean... it was like a 6" cirlce of super-suck pain for 2 days.

That sounds terrible! I guess that is not too bad, I mean, whats the alternative. Why does it have to be the arm? Wonder if they can do other body parts LOL. I think you get sickness when you take the Astrazenca or J&J.

substansial and that it IS doing things inside of you... I have heard to prepare for more substantial sickness or reactions from the 2nd. We'll see... :P

Oh my, I haven't heard anything happening for a 2nd.. tbh we are trying to get 1st round shots still. Haha.. doing things inside you. Fun. Ok. Just try not to think about it...

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Hello Darkman Almighty!

** On Tuesday 11.05.21 - 20:31, Darkman Almighty wrote to paulie420:

.. but I did get a wicked Fauci Ouchie on my arm @ the
injection site. I mean... it was like a 6" cirlce of
super-suck pain for 2 days.

That sounds terrible! I guess that is not too bad, I mean,
whats the alternative. Why does it have to be the arm?
Wonder if they can do other body parts LOL.

And what other parts were you thinking of offering?

I would guess that most people would find it undignified to
expose the moon, for example.



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Hello paulie420!

** On Tuesday 11.05.21 - 10:43, paulie420 wrote to Darkman Almighty:

My experience with the Moderna one, the 1st shot anyway,
was that I didn't experience and sickness type reactions -
but I did get a wicked Fauci Ouchie on my arm @ the
injection site. I mean... it was like a 6" cirlce of super-
suck pain for 2 days.

I had a very uncomfortable experience (large bruising - which I
never considered as the vascular clotting that everyone is
talking about now - and limited mobility of my arm for over a
week) when I took the shot for the then h1n1 that was going
around.

Since then, I've decided it's not worth any risks induced by
artificial means.


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Fauci Ouchie on my arm @ the injection site. I mean... it was like a 6" cirlce of super-suck pain for 2 days.

What I find weird is that that's from your body responding to invaders. The
bit about training immune system stuff to recognize COVID stuff quickly takes
a while longer. And generally doesn't cause a noticeable response.

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Or school kids, because they can get the poke and be DONE, I think j&j is worthy and should continue to be used. And watched.

I'm looking forward to hearing about their trials on a two-dose J&J vaccine.
I _think_ they're already doing it, and I wonder if the efficacy rates will
be similar to the two-dose vaccines.

My going theory is that one dose of any of them is roughly as effective as
the next.

There's reason to believe that's true (I think there's actual data on people after their first dose of the two-dose vaccines), but we're still lacking
that part of the evidence.

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That sounds terrible! I guess that is not too bad, I mean, whats the alternative. Why does it have to be the arm? Wonder if they can do other body parts LOL. I think you get sickness when you take the Astrazenca or

I have heard from everyone that both the Moderna and Pfizer 2nd shots cause a worse reaction/stronger reaction than the 1st. I assume its different for folks, depending on how they reacted to that 1st one...

I anticipate that I'll be under the weather when I get my last one - but am trying not to will that into existance, lol - I always end up doing that.

Also, I'd WANT it in my arm from the way it felt to ME. It wasn't bad at all - but that injection spot WAS really sore for ... long. 2days. Worth it, but.. Fauci Ouchie!



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My experience with the Moderna one, the 1st shot anyway,
was that I didn't experience and sickness type reactions -
but I did get a wicked Fauci Ouchie on my arm @ the
injection site. I mean... it was like a 6" cirlce of super-
suck pain for 2 days.

I had a very uncomfortable experience (large bruising - which I
never considered as the vascular clotting that everyone is
talking about now - and limited mobility of my arm for over a
week) when I took the shot for the then h1n1 that was going
around.

Sounds like yours was worse than mine, but... similar. The only thing that was a consolation is that being Covid vaccinated, even for a year, makes my giddy. We'll see how everything shakes out - but I'm happy to have received one.



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On 05-12-21 05:37, Adept wrote to paulie420 <=-

There's reason to believe that's true (I think there's actual data on people after their first dose of the two-dose vaccines), but we're
still lacking that part of the evidence.

I'm led to believe that AstraZeneca has an efficacy of about 70% a few weeks after the first dose.


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On 05-11-21 22:24, paulie420 wrote to Darkman Almighty <=-

I have heard from everyone that both the Moderna and Pfizer 2nd shots cause a worse reaction/stronger reaction than the 1st. I assume its different for folks, depending on how they reacted to that 1st one...

And it's said to be the opposite for AstraZeneca. I'll find out for myself in 10 weeks. :)


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There's reason to believe that's true (I think there's actual data on people after their first dose of the two-dose vaccines), but we're still lacking that part of the evidence.

I'm led to believe that AstraZeneca has an efficacy of about 70% a few weeks after the first dose.

Canada just put a pause on the AstraZeneca vaccine.

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I had a very uncomfortable experience (large bruising - which I
never considered as the vascular clotting that everyone is talking
about now - and limited mobility of my arm for over a week) when I
took the shot for the then h1n1 that was going around.

My father-in-law (who is 81) got the Pfizer shot a few weeks back & had no side effects at all, not even soreness at the injection site. He didn't even feel the needle.

When I got the flu shot last fall my arm was sore for a couple of days afterwards. Once I get my 1st shot on the 29th I'll let everyone know how it went.


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*** Quoting paulie420 from a message to Darkman Almighty ***

but am trying not to will that into existance, lol - I always end up
doing that.

My other half does that all the time.

"Oh gawd, what if I feel claustrophobic on the plane!?"

And then he starts getting anxious about potentially feeling anxious and then it spirals from there...

I often joke that I'm going to get some tranquilizer darts for that
situation, either that or a rag & some chloroform. ;)


Jay

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Hello Warpslide!

** On Wednesday 12.05.21 - 09:14, Warpslide wrote to Ogg:

I had a very uncomfortable experience (large bruising -
which I never considered as the vascular clotting..

My father-in-law (who is 81) got the Pfizer shot a few
weeks back & had no side effects at all, not even soreness
at the injection site. He didn't even feel the needle.

That reminds me of an interview I saw about an old man, in his
80's, was married to several women over the years, recently
married to a 30-thing, little kids running around the living
room making a racket on camera, and is asked - "How do you
manage to control all this chaos?" He gets a signal from his
wife to answer the question.. he reaches to his ear.. and says
"No problem at all. I just turn off my hearing aides"

Some people don't even feel anything when you pinch them.

When I got the flu shot last fall my arm was sore for a
couple of days afterwards. Once I get my 1st shot on the
29th I'll let everyone know how it went.

My arm hasn't been sore anymore for over 10 years running. ;)
I just avoided triggering any trauma by not letting people poke
needles into me.

BTW, I failed to mention in my original post.. that after 10
days of getting the h1n1 shot, I developed a very nasty flu -
which was surprising because it was the first flu shot after 5
years since the last one, and I never had a flu prior.

The only reason I subjected myself to the jab was because there
was a news story about a 35-yr old man from Haliburton, about
30 klicks from Bancroft, who died in hospital and I was a few
years senior. It sounded like h1n1 was creeping closer to my
town of Bancroft. The Dr at the time told me that the vaxx
strain was designed with several high-risk viruses. Yeah.. I
felt so protected - yet the result was a violation.


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Canada just put a pause on the AstraZeneca vaccine.

Yes, for 1st shots. If you already had an AZ shot, you'll still get that one as your 2nd. I guess the jury is still out on mixing 1st & 2nd shots (at least here in Canada).

It looks like they're doing a study on "mismatched" vaccine doses in the UK.


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Fauci Ouchie on my arm @ the injection site. I mean... it was like a cirlce of super-suck pain for 2 days.

What I find weird is that that's from your body responding to invaders. The bit about training immune system stuff to recognize COVID stuff quickly takes a while longer. And generally doesn't cause a noticeable response.

Well.. they say the 2nd dose causes more of a physical, sickness type reaction..

I assume, from what I gather, that its our body reacting to the mRNA-1273. Since ITS not Covid, the recognizing Covid part comes after that??? But we still have a reaction to the mRNA-1273 as it... does very similar things, or causes us to create antibodies that work ON Covid.

Furthermore, they say the first reaction is less reactive because our bodies are just revving up to the mRNA. The first shot INFORMS the body how to prepare for and defend... but by the second shot our immune system is primed and ready.. bringing out the big guns.

Yes, I regurgitated news articles that I've read. LOL. My favories were:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/moderna-covid-19-vaccine.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/why-does-the-second-coronavirus-vaccin e-shot-have-worse-side-effects/ar-BB1eDYT3

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I'm looking forward to hearing about their trials on a two-dose J&J vaccine. I _think_ they're already doing it, and I wonder if the
efficacy rates will be similar to the two-dose vaccines.

Ahhhh - I thought the J&J worked differently and.. that a 2nd dose wouldn't provide any more protection/response from our bodies; but I wasn't aware of a trial, planned or being done, on a two-dose J&J model... I'd be interested in that, too, if it might give better protection.

I thought the J&J was really smart for a lot of instances... school kids; they can be poked and goto school right away. And other times that we need protection in less than a month. Airplanes, and unvaccinated passengers or... situations where you have an unvaccinated and need to be sure they ARE, immediately.



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Ahhhh - I thought the J&J worked differently and.. that a 2nd dose wouldn't provide any more protection/response from our bodies; but I

J&J uses a different technology than the mRNA vaxs.

Whether one poke or two it is still different.

The mRNA vax technology is new and not used in much scale prior with humans. Technically the mRNA technology remains "unapproved" in the way other technologies are.

J&J uses a technology that features in a lot of our vaxs. Some of those
others are one-poke and some are two-poke like the shingles. In many cases a second poke could be taken, but won't do much good and might have offsetting risks.

In getting vaxed there are two numbers to think about:

First - what is the decrease in getting a case of CCP-19 after vax? Bigger decrease is better, but already remember you still can get ill.

Second (and personally more important) - what is the likely severity of my illness if I do get the CCP-19 after being vaxed?

The variant stuff is fairly misunderstood and made scary by the media, as all viruses constantly mutate. Rather hard to get one's head around the scale of mutation that happens. Some mutations neuter the virus - where it sort of loses it mojo over time. And yes some kick it up. The media tells you about "increasing the gain" of viruses. That GoFR stuff (Gain of Function
Research) which in simple terms curates and cultivates virus mutations to
meet goals.

In many cases acquired or vax immunity have a wider effectiveness than the specific variant the immunity was built on. That is why we get one poke for many of diseases we vax against rather than lots of jabs for ever small
variant that mutates out.

When the facts are incomplete and our understanding even less, it is not surprising that we end up fearful and confused.

All best,

Steve
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Warpslide wrote to Ogg <=-

My father-in-law (who is 81) got the Pfizer shot a few weeks back & had
no side effects at all, not even soreness at the injection site. He didn't even feel the needle.

When I got the flu shot last fall my arm was sore for a couple of days afterwards. Once I get my 1st shot on the 29th I'll let everyone know
how it went.

I had the same experience with the Pfizer shot. I didn't even feel the
needle. Although, I guess not exactly the same as your father-in-law as
I did have *some* pain at the injection site but it was minor and to be expected when getting poked in the arm. :-)

The second Pfizer shot I got made me a little ill for 2 or 3 days. I
felt like my body was fighting off a flu, but it was bearable and I was
able to work. I didn't enjoy it, but definitely worth the 2 or 3 days
of minor discomfort.

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Ahhhh - I thought the J&J worked differently

The J&J vaccine is definitely different from others in a variety of ways, but...

wouldn't provide any more protection/response from our bodies; but I wasn't aware of a trial, planned or being done, on a two-dose J&J
model... I'd be interested in that, too, if it might give better

...I think they basically haven't tested this.

But I looked it up, and there are news articles on them starting (or at least planning on doing so) back in November, so hopefully they're fairly far along. Or perhaps found out that a second dose doesn't help much.

I thought the J&J was really smart for a lot of instances... school
kids; they can be poked and goto school right away. And other times that

Yeah. I think that's why it'd be nice to have some trials on single-dose versions of the mRNA vaccines, too.

As it is, people are doing it _anyway_, and there's some data on the concept.

And I'm reasonably fine with people skipping their second dose. Obviously, better to take it, but a first dose is already pretty solid.

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The second Pfizer shot I got made me a little ill for 2 or 3 days. I
felt like my body was fighting off a flu, but it was bearable and I was able to work. I didn't enjoy it, but definitely worth the 2 or 3 days
of minor discomfort.

Ya the first shot i got (Madina) was a week after getting my wisdom teeth pulled. so i was feeling sick to begin with. When i got the shot, it made me even more sick for about a week. when i got the 2nd shot this last week, my
arm felt like i got shot with a nail. I could feel the medicine creeping throuhg my body. it felt cold icy and weird. i came home and slept for about
4 hours after the shot as well. it did seem to disapate faster though, so i
am not hurting anymore.... i guess that is a good thing. Im still not totally convinced the shots are "harm free"... but thats just me and my UFO
conspiricy theories talking lol.

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I thought the J&J was really smart for a lot of instances... school kids; they can be poked and goto school right away. And other times t

Yeah. I think that's why it'd be nice to have some trials on single-dose versions of the mRNA vaccines, too.

I suppose everything that I repeat is just what I read from some news outlet, but I've read that getting one of the Pfizer/Moderna doses doesn't cover you as well as getting both - you know, since I already did the 2 doses this year I just hope they... continue trials on ALL aspects. I wish they could get the better Pfizer/Moderna ones to BE a one-dose that fully covers us. I mean - I'm sure their working hard as heck to make those advances... as you said, I don't think any trials are bad. I assume the Covid vaccines are still in their infancy. I'm covered for year 1. Hopefully next year there will be better or more choices for getting protected.

As it is, people are doing it _anyway_, and there's some data on the concept.

While I'm not OK with people skipping #2, I think yer absolutely right.. ppl are skipping their #2. This is something we need to learn about; as you said ppl are doing it anyway.



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Dan Juarez wrote to Warpslide <=-

The second Pfizer shot I got made me a little ill for 2 or 3 days. I
felt like my body was fighting off a flu, but it was bearable and I was able to work. I didn't enjoy it, but definitely worth the 2 or 3 days
of minor discomfort.

Sounds like most people got the Pfizer shot. My family has all gotten the Moderna shots, with the exception of my 11-year old, who's still too young
to qualify.

1st shot was mild light-headedness and arm soreness, and went away in a day. 2nd shot was the same, and went away in 3 days.

My wife has had serious knee problems that happened the day she got her
second shot. She was in serious pain afterwards. She had some fluid drained from it this week and is awaiting results. She's never had knee problems, until now.


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I suppose everything that I repeat is just what I read from some news outlet, but I've read that getting one of the Pfizer/Moderna doses
doesn't cover you as well as getting both - you know, since I already

It doesn't.

But I looked for an article, and evidently the number is 80%, for the effectiveness of one dose, at least in the shorter term, compared to 90% for two doses (and two doses might mean the protection lasts longer).

J&J's shot is 72% effective.

I'm sure there's a large margin of error with all these things, and likely to change as the variants around change, but I read that as one shot of
_anything_ is enough to be "fully vaccinated" in the short term.

(Obviously, if "fully vaccinated" is, "had all the shots that were recommended", then it doesn't qualify, and that's generally the definition.
But protection wise...)

But I think this is still fairly irrelevant, at least in the US where there's enough vaccine supply that anyone can get it if they can manage to get to a place that has the shot. Because most people who got the first shot will have strong reason to go ahead an get the second.

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I have heard from everyone that both the Moderna and Pfizer 2nd shots cause a worse reaction/stronger reaction than the 1st. I assume its different for folks, depending on how they reacted to that 1st one...

I do wonder how I would've perceived my reactions if I had done the same
thing each time.

But, at worst, the second shot was no worse than the first, for me. Both the arm soreness and fatigue seemed to be less.

Still, more of a reaction than I've ever gotten from a flu shot.

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But I looked for an article, and evidently the number is 80%, for the effectiveness of one dose, at least in the shorter term, compared to 90% for two doses (and two doses might mean the protection lasts longer). J&J's shot is 72% effective.

The effectiveness is 'so good', with all the data that we do have, that fully vaccinated people are now 'allowed' to not wear a mask, great people with a smile, handshake or hug - so thats a huge change.

I'm just excited to get my 2nd dose on the 22nd and... be 'vaccinated' a couple weeks later.

Its been a long year and a half. I still remember listening to the reports from China before it hit here. I knew it was gonna be SOMETHING; but man - this has went above and beyond any of my original concerns.



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On 05-12-21 08:20, niter3 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

There's reason to believe that's true (I think there's actual data on people after their first dose of the two-dose vaccines), but we're still lacking that part of the evidence.

I'm led to believe that AstraZeneca has an efficacy of about 70% a few weeks after the first dose.

Canada just put a pause on the AstraZeneca vaccine.

Australia only changed the age limit from 18 to 50, since evidence at the time indicated that younger people had a lower cost/benefit ratio, and I have seen some data that suggests younger people are disproportionally affected by the clotting issue.


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On 05-12-21 09:43, Warpslide wrote to niter3 <=-

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Canada just put a pause on the AstraZeneca vaccine.

Yes, for 1st shots. If you already had an AZ shot, you'll still get
that one as your 2nd. I guess the jury is still out on mixing 1st &
2nd shots (at least here in Canada).

It looks like they're doing a study on "mismatched" vaccine doses in
the UK.

I heard the othr day on the news that "mix and match" vaccine doses may be OK, though more research is needed.


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