• Re: Commute Time/Distance

    From Warpslide@21:3/110 to All on Sunday, April 18, 2021 08:25:05
    *** Quoting Tiny from a message to Utopian Galt ***

    I have my longest commute ever 29.2 miles each way. Fun.

    1 Klm each way for me. Could walk it if I wasn't so lazy.

    I recently started a new job which is ~20 mins (17.5km, 10.9 miles) away,
    and that's taking all back/country roads.

    This is a godsend after my last job which was 38km (23.6 miles) away on major highways. If I had to go in on the weekend it would take just over 30 minutes to get there, but normal business hours you were looking at 50 mins to 1.5 hours.


    Jay

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  • From linuxdan@21:1/158 to Warpslide on Monday, April 19, 2021 05:45:55
    Warpslide wrote to All <=-

    I recently started a new job which is ~20 mins (17.5km, 10.9 miles)
    away, and that's taking all back/country roads.

    This is a godsend after my last job which was 38km (23.6 miles) away on major highways. If I had to go in on the weekend it would take just
    over 30 minutes to get there, but normal business hours you were
    looking at 50 mins to 1.5 hours.

    It is nice to not have to travel far and long to get to and from work. I remember the days when I had to travel 20 miles one way to work and it took 1 - 2 hours depending on traffic in Southern California. Ugh. I moved back to Utah after that. Enough with the traffic. :-)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Warpslide on Monday, April 19, 2021 07:40:00
    Warpslide wrote to All <=-

    This is a godsend after my last job which was 38km (23.6 miles) away on major highways. If I had to go in on the weekend it would take just
    over 30 minutes to get there, but normal business hours you were
    looking at 50 mins to 1.5 hours.

    Welcome to Silicon Valley. My commute used to range between 45 minutes and
    an hour and 45 over gray, multi-lane highways.

    I moved to the California coast, and for a time was working 20 minutes away, with a drive through farmland and along the coast. Driving home while the
    sun was setting over the ocean made the commute wonderful.

    When you leave a job and the first thing you miss was the commute, leaving
    was a *good* thing. :)


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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Poindexter Fortran on Wednesday, April 21, 2021 20:04:41
    BY: poindexter FORTRAN(21:4/122)


    |11pF|09> |10Welcome to Silicon Valley. My commute used to range between 45 minutes|07
    |11pF|09> |10and |07
    |11pF|09> |10an hour and 45 over gray, multi-lane highways.|07
    My commute is 1h5m on the way up and 1h20m on the way home. If I get this as a pernament job, its going to age my car, and not help the enviroment any better.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Utopian Galt on Thursday, April 22, 2021 08:20:00
    Hello Utopian Galt!

    ** On Wednesday 21.04.21 - 20:04, Utopian Galt wrote to Poindexter Fortran:

    My commute is 1h5m on the way up and 1h20m on the way home.
    If I get this as a pernament job, its going to age my car,
    and not help the enviroment any better.

    Everytime you fee guilty, just think of the space programmes and
    the rockets that they (NASA, Musk, Besos, Brandon) send up (and
    in the case of Musk - send down too) into the air. The airlines
    and their jets are no small emitters either.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Utopian Galt on Thursday, April 22, 2021 08:46:00
    My commute is 1h5m on the way up and 1h20m on the way home.
    If I get this as a pernament job, its going to age my car,
    and not help the enviroment any better.

    Everytime you fee guilty, just think of the space programmes and
    the rockets that they (NASA, Musk, Besos, Brandon) send up (and
    in the case of Musk - send down too) into the air. The airlines
    and their jets are no small emitters either.

    I forgot to mention.. before you hop into your car to muse
    about the environment, take a look at this:

    https://www.flightradar24.com


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  • From apam@21:1/182 to Ogg on Thursday, April 22, 2021 22:55:24
    Everytime you fee guilty, just think of the space programmes and
    the rockets that they (NASA, Musk, Besos, Brandon) send up (and
    in the case of Musk - send down too) into the air. The airlines
    and their jets are no small emitters either.

    Maybe so, but there are far more cars on the road than rockets and
    planes.

    We might be talking about one car here, but if everyone thought that
    way...

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  • From Morgul@21:1/207 to Ogg on Thursday, April 22, 2021 09:05:36
    BY: Ogg(21:4/106.21)


    |11O|09> |10Everytime you fee guilty, just think of the space programmes and |07
    |11O|09> |10the rockets that they (NASA, Musk, Besos, Brandon) send up (and |07
    |11O|09> |10in the case of Musk - send down too) into the air. The airlines |07
    |11O|09> |10and their jets are no small emitters either.|07
    |11O|09> |07
    Rocket fuel is usually liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, so not as polluting as you might think.

    There are some other byproducts that aren't good, so they aren't perfectly clean.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Utopian Galt on Thursday, April 22, 2021 06:26:00
    Utopian Galt wrote to Poindexter Fortran <=-

    My commute is 1h5m on the way up and 1h20m on the way home. If I get
    this as a pernament job, its going to age my car, and not help the enviroment any better.

    Yeah, I was driving 20K a year before Covid, and the company is leaning towards a flexible office plan once we're back in the office.

    I've got 150K miles on my Prius, intend to drive it into the ground, or
    until solid state/Lithium Ion/some other technology replacement batteries become available.
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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Ogg on Thursday, April 22, 2021 13:16:10
    *** Quoting Ogg from a message to Utopian Galt ***

    Everytime you fee guilty, just think of the space programmes and
    the rockets that they (NASA, Musk, Besos, Brandon) send up (and in
    the case of Musk - send down too) into the air. The airlines and
    their jets are no small emitters either.

    Don't forget cows:

    "We share our planet with 1.4 billion cows. Each of these animals produces 250 to 500 litres of methane every day!

    Cows release methane mainly through their belches. The rest comes out as flatulence."

    https://letstalkscience.ca/educational-resources/stem-in-context/cows-methane- and-climate-change


    Jay

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Ogg on Thursday, April 22, 2021 17:17:42
    Everytime you fee guilty, just think of the...

    This reminds me of parents trying to convince children to eat because of the starving children elsewhere.

    Since it's not as if the kid eating or not eating feeds the other children.

    And if people are doing something for an environmental reason, the fact that other people are worse seems fairly irrelevant.

    Also, I'm trying my best for this to be non-political. I'm mostly thinking about having read a microeconomics book, and a scene where the author (Tim Harford, if memory serves) was asked how they came to the meeting (in the UK), so the group could buy carbon offsets. He said, "Anthracite steamer. From Australia. Very polluting."

    Since, from an economics perspective, if the point is to do the most good,
    then the goal is to do the most, not be the most accurate.

    Obviously, none of this is policy, best practices, takes into account other interests (e.g., feeling better about yourself or saving money), et cetera.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Morgul on Thursday, April 22, 2021 17:23:08
    Rocket fuel is usually liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, so not as polluting as you might think.

    Hoo boy does that statement deserve a lot of caveats. :)

    I'm sure you're already quite aware, but it's an interestingly complex issue.

    On that note, if anyone wants to spend an hour watching a video learning
    about differing levels of pollution with rockets, The Everyday Astronaut had
    a video on the topic:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4VHfmiwuv4

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  • From Elf@21:4/122 to Ogg on Thursday, April 22, 2021 12:48:00
    Ogg wrote to Utopian Galt <=-

    I forgot to mention.. before you hop into your car to muse
    about the environment, take a look at this:

    https://www.flightradar24.com

    That map looks like a mosquito infestation over the continent. LOL

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  • From Warpslide@21:3/110 to Adept on Thursday, April 22, 2021 15:27:59
    *** Quoting Adept from a message to Ogg ***

    Everytime you fee guilty, just think of the...

    This reminds me of parents trying to convince children to eat because
    of the starving children elsewhere.

    My parents said this to me growing up! I often wondered as a kid if there
    was a common parenting class they they all took...

    "There are starving kids in Africa!"

    I don't have kids of my own, but I do have two rather picky Siamese cats, so of course I now that that to them: "There are starving cats in Africa!"

    It seems to work as well on them as it did to me as a kid...


    Jay

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  • From NuSkooler@21:1/121 to apam on Thursday, April 22, 2021 13:35:13

    Twas Friday, April 23rd when apam said...
    Maybe so, but there are far more cars on the road than rockets and planes. We might be talking about one car here, but if everyone thought that way...

    This.

    The emissions from cars, planes, rockets, etc. are measured. Here is one such study:
    https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-transport

    As much as people hate to admit it, cows are a huge problem as well.

    As far as commuting, I'm glad Covid has helped push the remote work theme. I recently decided to move jobs and flat out refused to even talk to anyone that didn't embrace fully remote work. No more sitting in traffic every day for me.




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  • From David@21:3/129 to Marc Lewis@1:19/0 on Thursday, April 22, 2021 14:41:02
    Marc, did you get this?

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  • From David@21:3/129 to marc lewis on Thursday, April 22, 2021 14:41:36
    Or this one?

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to David on Thursday, April 22, 2021 19:57:48
    Or this one?

    Are you meaning to send this as echomail in the general base on FSXnet, or
    were they supposed to be netmail?

    I could go either way (sending echomail to check if netmail got sent would
    make sense), so I figured I'd check.

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  • From Morgul@21:1/207 to Adept on Thursday, April 22, 2021 16:03:11
    BY: Adept(21:2/108)


    |11A|09> |10Hoo boy does that statement deserve a lot of caveats. :)|07 |11A|09> |07
    |11A|09> |10I'm sure you're already quite aware, but it's an interestingly complex|07
    |11A|09> |10issue.|07
    |11A|09> |07
    Tried to keep it simple, yes, there are a lot of caveats. People tend to assume that the massive cloud they see at a rocket launch is pure pollution, which it's not. It's mostly steam, often from the water sound suppression system. That's usually what people are referring to when they talk ofl rocket pollution.

    There are other fuels used in rockets, such as solid rockets, and there are some bad byproducts emitted. Even the LOH/LOX spits out some interesting and not pleasant compounds. I didn't saw they were clean, just not as polluting as many people think.

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  • From Al@21:4/106.1 to David on Thursday, April 22, 2021 14:25:19
    Re: Re: AREAFIX
    By: David to Marc Lewis@1:19/0 on Thu Apr 22 2021 02:41 pm

    Marc, did you get this?

    I don't think Marc Lewis is connected to fsxnet. I would direct these areafix or netmail messages directly to his fido node.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Morgul on Thursday, April 22, 2021 21:48:21
    interesting and not pleasant compounds. I didn't saw they were clean, just not as polluting as many people think.

    Indeed, and you're correct, for sure.

    Mostly I started thinking about hydrazine. And the various over-land rocket launches in China.

    Regardless, it's nice that Starship is methalox, rather than RP1.

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Poindexter Fortran on Thursday, April 22, 2021 18:57:08
    BY: poindexter FORTRAN(21:4/122)


    |11pF|09> |10Yeah, I was driving 20K a year before Covid, and the company is leaning |07
    |11pF|09> |10towards a flexible office plan once we're back in the office.|07
    I might ask if I can telecommute if i become a pernament employee and to telecommute Tuesdays and Thursdays.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Morgul on Friday, April 23, 2021 20:43:00
    On 04-22-21 09:05, Morgul wrote to Ogg <=-

    Rocket fuel is usually liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, so not as polluting as you might think.

    Depends on what energy source is used to separate and store the hydrogen and oxygen.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Morgul on Friday, April 23, 2021 07:47:00
    Rocket fuel is usually liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen, so not as polluting as you might think.

    Methane seems to still be current, although kerosene seems to have fallen out of favour.

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  • From HSM@21:2/162 to Warpslide on Thursday, April 22, 2021 13:49:55
    On 22 Apr 2021, Warpslide said the following...

    *** Quoting Ogg from a message to Utopian Galt ***

    Everytime you fee guilty, just think of the space programmes and
    the rockets that they (NASA, Musk, Besos, Brandon) send up (and in the case of Musk - send down too) into the air. The airlines and their jets are no small emitters either.

    Don't forget cows:

    "We share our planet with 1.4 billion cows. Each of these animals
    produces 250 to 500 litres of methane every day!

    There are billions of cows only because of human demand for dairy and meat. Cow farts are a product of human activity.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to HSM on Monday, May 17, 2021 08:58:58
    Re: Re: Bovinae Emissions
    By: HSM to Warpslide on Thu Apr 22 2021 01:49 pm

    On 22 Apr 2021, Warpslide said the following...

    *** Quoting Ogg from a message to Utopian Galt ***

    Everytime you fee guilty, just think of the space programmes and the rockets that they (NASA, Musk, Besos, Brandon) send up (and the case of Musk - send down too) into the air. The airlines an their jets are no small emitters either.

    Don't forget cows:

    "We share our planet with 1.4 billion cows. Each of these animals produces 250 to 500 litres of methane every day!

    There are billions of cows only because of human demand for dairy and meat. Cow farts are a product of human activity.

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    I have the suspicion that all the attention cows are getting as of late is due to somebody with deep pockets planning to lay waste to somebody's farming empire somewhere.

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  • From Elf@21:1/194 to ARELOR on Monday, May 17, 2021 14:16:00
    Quoting Arelor to Hsm <=-

    I have the suspicion that all the attention cows are getting as of
    late is due to somebody with deep pockets planning to lay waste to somebody's farming empire somewhere.

    Amen. The rise of the meatless burgers and steaks. :-)



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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Elf on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 09:31:00
    Amen. The rise of the meatless burgers and steaks. :-)

    How would I ever get my grass intake covered if I don't eat a steak? :P

    Spec


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Elf on Monday, May 17, 2021 21:21:00
    Hello Elf!

    ** On Monday 17.05.21 - 14:16, Elf wrote to ARELOR:

    Quoting Arelor to Hsm <=-

    I have the suspicion that all the attention cows are getting as of
    late is due to somebody with deep pockets planning to lay waste to
    somebody's farming empire somewhere.

    Amen. The rise of the meatless burgers and steaks. :-)

    Hmmm.. so, we exchange bovines farting to humans farting?
    (the meatless burgs are mostly beans). :/






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  • From Elf@21:1/194 to Spectre on Monday, May 17, 2021 22:35:00
    Spectre wrote to Elf <=-

    Amen. The rise of the meatless burgers and steaks. :-)

    How would I ever get my grass intake covered if I don't eat a steak? :P

    Hahah. We just had steak tonight too. :-) Hmmm.

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  • From Elf@21:1/194 to Ogg on Monday, May 17, 2021 22:38:00
    Ogg wrote to Elf <=-

    Amen. The rise of the meatless burgers and steaks. :-)

    Hmmm.. so, we exchange bovines farting to humans farting?
    (the meatless burgs are mostly beans). :/

    Mmmm...love me some beans!

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Elf on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 02:57:12
    Re: Re: Bovinae Emissions
    By: Elf to ARELOR on Mon May 17 2021 02:16 pm

    Quoting Arelor to Hsm <=-

    I have the suspicion that all the attention cows are getting as of
    late is due to somebody with deep pockets planning to lay waste to somebody's farming empir
    somewhere.

    Amen. The rise of the meatless burgers and steaks. :-)


    From now on, to be called non-burgers and non-steaks on my end :-P

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 03:13:01
    Re: Bovinae Emissions
    By: Ogg to Elf on Mon May 17 2021 09:21 pm

    Hello Elf!

    ** On Monday 17.05.21 - 14:16, Elf wrote to ARELOR:

    Quoting Arelor to Hsm <=-

    I have the suspicion that all the attention cows are getting as of
    late is due to somebody with deep pockets planning to lay waste to
    somebody's farming empire somewhere.

    Amen. The rise of the meatless burgers and steaks. :-)

    Hmmm.. so, we exchange bovines farting to humans farting?
    (the meatless burgs are mostly beans). :/

    I prefer bovines. At least they are sincere when they ask you for petting and company :-)

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  • From Dr. What@21:1/194 to Ogg on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 09:01:00
    Ogg wrote to Elf <=-

    Amen. The rise of the meatless burgers and steaks. :-)

    Hmmm.. so, we exchange bovines farting to humans farting?
    (the meatless burgs are mostly beans). :/

    And we are forgetting the Elephant in the Room: The gassious emissions from all places of gov't.


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  • From Dr. What@21:1/194 to Elf on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 09:02:00
    Elf wrote to Ogg <=-

    Mmmm...love me some beans!

    To quote Benjamin Franklin (no joke): Fart Proudly!


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Arelor on Wednesday, May 19, 2021 02:43:00
    I prefer bovines. At least they are sincere when they ask you for petting and company :-)

    Unless you've got a house cow, I've never seen any that like to be near people let alone petted. Not mixing your bovines with your equines maybe?

    Spec


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Spectre on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 15:29:54
    Re: Bovinae Emissions
    By: Spectre to Arelor on Wed May 19 2021 02:43 am

    I prefer bovines. At least they are sincere when they ask you for petti and company :-)

    Unless you've got a house cow, I've never seen any that like to be near peop let alone petted. Not mixing your bovines with your equines maybe?

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    Suffices to say when I was a kid I went to a summer camp and the cows there fought each other for my petting :-)

    Just after breakfast I would walk to the donkey's pen and pet the donkeys. Then I walked to the cow place and always found them waiting for me at the gate. If I was late they got nervous :-)

    I think most cows are not fond of people, but those who are, really are.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 17:52:00
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Tuesday 18.05.21 - 15:29, Arelor wrote to Spectre:

    I think most cows are not fond of people, but those who
    are, really are.

    Some are just very curious and approach humans. Others might be
    conditioned by getting grain/treats when Mr.Farmer would come
    around.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 17:11:15
    Re: Bovinae Emissions
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Tue May 18 2021 05:52 pm

    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Tuesday 18.05.21 - 15:29, Arelor wrote to Spectre:

    I think most cows are not fond of people, but those who
    are, really are.

    Some are just very curious and approach humans. Others might be
    conditioned by getting grain/treats when Mr.Farmer would come
    around.

    Speaking of which, it is very easy to tell when a horse you don't know has a loving owner.

    I was driving by a field when I noticed there was a new donkey in town, so I obviously parked and walked up to the fence. The donkey looked at me in distrust at first until I asked him "Who is the good little donkey who wants petting?" I think "petting" was the magic word, because he ran up to me for some :-) My hipothesis is his owner gives him lots of petting and therefore he is comfortable with people.

    Meanwhile, the mother of one of my horses is owned by a sucker who pays no attention to her, and you could not bribe her to come for petting with a basket full of apples.


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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Arelor on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 21:23:00
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Tuesday 18.05.21 - 17:11, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    ..I think "petting" was the magic word, because he ran up
    to me for some :-) My hipothesis is his owner gives him
    lots of petting and therefore he is comfortable with
    people.

    It's nice to have a friendly animal, but strangers are known to
    take advantage of that and hurt them.

    Meanwhile, the mother of one of my horses is owned by a
    sucker who pays no attention to her, and you could not
    bribe her to come for petting with a basket full of apples.

    How about sugar cubes?

    But then I would have thought that horses can distinguish bad
    people (even if it's the owner) from people they might be able
    to trust (someone with another horse and being nice)?


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Dr. What on Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:28:00
    On 05-18-21 09:01, Dr. What wrote to Ogg <=-

    And we are forgetting the Elephant in the Room: The gassious emissions from all places of gov't.

    ROFLMAO!!!


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Ogg on Wednesday, May 19, 2021 16:08:28
    Re: Bovinae Emissions
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Tue May 18 2021 09:23 pm

    But then I would have thought that horses can distinguish bad
    people (even if it's the owner) from people they might be able
    to trust (someone with another horse and being nice)?

    Yes, they can distinguish the good people from the bad people, but if a horse has ben mistreated for long, it takes a whoooole lot of time for her to trust you. Usually she is not giving you the chance to introduce yourself, to start with. She will just not walk to the fence.

    I know of one extreme case in which the horse actually tried to prevent other horses from the herd from getting close to people.

    But then the mother of my other mare was a bit like that. Her owner brought her at an auction and brought her to the village, but it turned she didn't want to deal with people at all. She was an obvious abuse case. Her owner tried everything from petting to apples, and never managed to completely earn her trust. It took me quite a while to get her to be comfortable enough around me to accept petting. It was considered a huge feat in the village :-)


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Ogg on Thursday, May 20, 2021 08:14:00
    I think most cows are not fond of people, but those who are, really are.

    Some are just very curious and approach humans. Others might be conditioned by getting grain/treats when Mr.Farmer would come
    around.

    A lot seem to be relatively curious about people, but they tend to be ones with more exposure to people in the first place. A few acres with 4 or 5 to keep the grass down, nothing for them to wander over and see what you're doing.

    While you can "call" them with a bucket of food... heifer pellets, or whatever alse you've got, they tend to come for the food not for the hugs.

    If you have a weaner you can often get them pretty used to handling, but there's an age they tend to divorce themselves from the need unless you keep handling them pretty much every day. Which is where the "House Cow" comes from, you'rte basically trying to turn it into a pet. On the flip side, I have never seen "penned" cattle of any description here they tend to be out on pasture, not hand fed/feed lotted. Not to say the beasties up for slaughter don't get fattened with grain or the like.

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