• Mystic BBS - Please Read

    From Avon@21:1/101 to All on Monday, January 06, 2020 12:05:39
    Guys

    If you are running Mystic BBS be aware of the following.

    It seems there is an issue with (reported by Stackfault in Mystic echo
    and confirmed by Netsurge.. and also I have seen it now too) that relates to how MUTIL is interpreting dates since we rolled into the start of 2020

    As I understand it, the Pascal code being used in MUTIL for a couple of
    key functions now seems to think 2020 is in fact 1920 so messages / users
    being purged by date is badly impacted..

    1) Message base purging function [PurgeMessageBases]

    If you use the purge by date function in your message bases... Mystic is now deleting stuff you would probably want to keep.

    [snip]

    + Jan 03 00:45:06 ALLFIX File Announce
    + Jan 03 00:45:06 Purge by age: 365
    ! Jan 03 00:45:06 Purge #1001 date 01/01/20 days 36527
    ! Jan 03 00:45:06 Purge #1002 date 01/01/20 days 36527
    ! Jan 03 00:45:06 Purge #1003 date 01/01/20 days 36527
    ! Jan 03 00:45:06 Purge #1004 date 01/01/20 days 36527
    ! Jan 03 00:45:06 Purge #1005 date 01/01/20 days 36527
    ! Jan 03 00:45:06 Purge #1006 date 01/02/20 days 36526
    ! Jan 03 00:45:06 Purge #1007 date 01/02/20 days 36526
    ! Jan 03 00:45:06 Purge #1008 date 01/02/20 days 36526
    ! Jan 03 00:45:06 Purge #1009 date 01/02/20 days 36526
    ! Jan 03 00:45:06 Purge #1010 date 01/02/20 days 36526
    ! Jan 03 00:45:06 Purge #1011 date 01/02/20 days 36526
    ! Jan 03 00:45:06 Purge #1012 date 01/02/20 days 36526
    ! Jan 03 00:45:06 Purge #1013 date 01/02/20 days 36526
    + Jan 03 00:45:06 Purge by msgs: Max 1000 Cur 1000
    + Jan 03 00:45:06 Purged 13

    [snip]

    Mystic thinks it's 1920...and removes stuff you don't want gone.

    Temp Fix:

    Disable globally 'Max Message Age' in all message bases by using the global editor to set it to 0

    If you do want to maintain numbers of messages in bases use only the 'Max Messages' option for each base

    2) User purging function [PurgeUserBase]

    This function also purges inactive users based by numbers of days since last login... the default settings in the mutil.ini file show as follows

    [snip]

    [PurgeUserBase]

    ; Mark users for deletion that haven't called in days.
    ; This value cannot be less than 7

    days = 180

    [snip]

    This function is also broken and if run will delete a bunch of 'active' users you don't want to loose..

    Temp Fix: do NOT run this function :)

    I know it's not ideal but this is the what we can do for now until such a
    time that g00r00 returns to work on Mystic and address these bugs.

    Who would have thought we would have had a Y2K type issue in 2020 but then again I read of a game that is now unplayable since the start of the year
    (WWE 2K20) and a German service that has fallen into trouble also since the clock rolled over to 2020 (Splunk).

    Fun times indeed...

    Best, Paul

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  • From Argos@21:1/203 to Avon on Sunday, January 05, 2020 20:10:28

    Temp Fix:

    Disable globally 'Max Message Age' in all message bases by using the global editor to set it to 0

    If you do want to maintain numbers of messages in bases use only the 'Max Messages' option for each base


    Complete all Messages bases now set Max Message Age to Zero


    [PurgeUserBase]

    ; Mark users for deletion that haven't called in days.
    ; This value cannot be less than 7

    days = 180

    [snip]

    This function is also broken and if run will delete a bunch of 'active' users you don't want to loose..

    Temp Fix: do NOT run this function :)

    Completed. Edited the maint.ini and commented out this stanza.



    Ran mutil maint.ini and it ran without issue. checked my messages bases and the last 1000 messages are listing without issue. My users database is just fine.

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Avon on Sunday, January 05, 2020 17:42:58
    Fun times indeed...

    Thanks for the writeup!

    For some reason, globally editing bases simply doesn't work for me. I don't know why. Oh well. Took care of it one base at a time :)

    Also, I noticed when FSX_HAM was created, another sub was automatically
    created called FSX_NET - I don't think this is actually a sub, is it?

    Thanks!

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  • From Captain Obvious@21:1/157 to ryan on Sunday, January 05, 2020 21:12:58
    On 05 Jan 2020, ryan said the following...

    For some reason, globally editing bases simply doesn't work for me. I don't know why. Oh well. Took care of it one base at a time :)

    are you doing CTRL-U after editing the values?

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Captain Obvious on Sunday, January 05, 2020 18:18:33
    are you doing CTRL-U after editing the values?

    Yep. :) And for some reason, setting up export to in echomail doesn't seem to "stick" every now and then. I have to double check it constantly.

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  • From Oli@21:1/151 to ryan on Monday, January 06, 2020 09:04:48
    Also, I noticed when FSX_HAM was created, another sub
    was automatically created called FSX_NET - I don't
    think this is actually a sub, is it?

    I don't know what sub means, but FSX_NET is an existing echomail area.


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Avon on Tuesday, January 07, 2020 00:34:00
    As I understand it, the Pascal code being used in MUTIL for a couple of key functions now seems to think 2020 is in fact 1920 so messages / users being purged by date is badly impacted..

    Did you forget that one during the Y2K stuff 21 years ago ;) There was a thing where a lot of *nix systems had a date system that made it past 2000 quite happily but due to the method of date storage it fell over some time after 2017 I think it was originally. :)

    Spec


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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Oli on Monday, January 06, 2020 06:16:19
    I don't know what sub means, but FSX_NET is an existing echomail area.

    Yep, you're right. I was looking at the fsxNet info on bbs.nz which doesn't mention it, but the info pack does. My bad. False alarm :)

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Avon on Monday, January 06, 2020 07:01:00
    Avon wrote to All <=-

    Who would have thought we would have had a Y2K type issue in 2020 but
    then again I read of a game that is now unplayable since the start of
    the year (WWE 2K20) and a German service that has fallen into trouble
    also since the clock rolled over to 2020 (Splunk).

    Fun times indeed...

    We have another event coming in 2038 when the UNIX clock rolls over.
    Luckily, we'll all be old coots by then looking to supplant our retirement income with consulting to remediate the problem in 3Q 2037.


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, January 07, 2020 10:43:19
    On 06 Jan 2020 at 07:01a, poindexter FORTRAN pondered and said...


    We have another event coming in 2038 when the UNIX clock rolls over. Luckily, we'll all be old coots by then looking to supplant our
    retirement income with consulting to remediate the problem in 3Q 2037.

    Hahaha... yep!

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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to ryan on Tuesday, January 07, 2020 10:43:39
    I don't know what sub means, but FSX_NET is an existing echomail area

    Yep, you're right. I was looking at the fsxNet info on bbs.nz which doesn't mention it, but the info pack does. My bad. False alarm :)

    Whoops, gotta fix that, thanks :)

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  • From Erazmus@21:1/133 to Avon on Monday, January 06, 2020 15:40:45
    On 06 Jan 2020, Avon said the following...

    Guys

    If you are running Mystic BBS be aware of the following.

    Thanks for the heads up. I don't think Y2K02 was on anyone's radar, but this
    is one of several programs I've heard of that's had problems.

    Fun times :)

    Ian

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  • From Erazmus@21:1/133 to Spectre on Monday, January 06, 2020 15:43:18
    On 07 Jan 2020, Spectre said the following...

    Did you forget that one during the Y2K stuff 21 years ago ;) There was
    a thing where a lot of *nix systems had a date system that made it past 2000 quite happily but due to the method of date storage it fell over
    some time after 2017 I think it was originally. :)

    Unix is going to have it's day of reckoning in 2038 - that's when the number
    of seconds since Jan 1 1970 (Unix epoch) rolls over an signed 32 bit integer. This one's going to be much bigger than y2k because of Posix libraries being used in embedded stuff for years - stuff that will never get patched.

    Ian

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  • From Bucko@21:4/131 to poindexter FORTRAN on Monday, January 06, 2020 20:01:01
    On 06 Jan 2020, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...


    We have another event coming in 2038 when the UNIX clock rolls over. Luckily, we'll all be old coots by then looking to supplant our
    retirement income with consulting to remediate the problem in 3Q 2037.


    Old coots?!?!?!? I'm already an old coot!! 2038? I will either be dead or
    just about dead! LOL

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Avon on Monday, January 06, 2020 19:36:14
    Avon wrote to All <=-

    Who would have thought we would have had a Y2K type issue in 2020 but
    then again I read of a game that is now unplayable since the start of
    the year (WWE 2K20) and a German service that has fallen into trouble
    also since the clock rolled over to 2020 (Splunk).

    I had a registered software package for GT Power sysops which made it
    through Y2K OK (because someone patched it) but, some time later, would no longer recognize that it was registered. So it is still usable but lost
    some of its funcionality.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, January 07, 2020 16:55:00
    On 01-06-20 07:01, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Avon <=-

    We have another event coming in 2038 when the UNIX clock rolls over. Luckily, we'll all be old coots by then looking to supplant our
    retirement income with consulting to remediate the problem in 3Q 2037.

    Hopefully, we'll be using 64 bit counters by then. :)


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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Erazmus on Tuesday, January 07, 2020 13:43:00
    Unix is going to have it's day of reckoning in 2038 - that's when the number of seconds since Jan 1 1970 (Unix epoch) rolls over an signed
    32 bit integer. This one's going to be much bigger than y2k because

    I might have my O/S arse about somewhere, but I'm sure there was something due
    to fall over earlier than that.. if its not *nix, then I don't recall what it is now.. similar sort of issue, it was merely postponed by whatever saved it at Y2K, not removed.

    Spec


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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Erazmus on Wednesday, January 08, 2020 20:55:52
    Re: Re: Mystic BBS - Please Read
    By: Erazmus to Spectre on Mon Jan 06 2020 03:43 pm

    On 07 Jan 2020, Spectre said the following...

    Did you forget that one during the Y2K stuff 21 years ago ;) There was a thing where a lot of *nix systems had a date system that made it past 2000 quite happily but due to the method of date storage it fell over some time after 2017 I think it was originally. :)

    Unix is going to have it's day of reckoning in 2038 - that's when the number of seconds since Jan 1 1970 (Unix epoch) rolls over an signed 32 bit integer. This one's going to be much bigger than y2k because of Posix libraries being used in embedded stuff for years - stuff that will never get patched.

    Year 2106 (specifically, Febuary 2nd) will also be a problem:
    time_t -1 (0xFFFFFFFF) ISO 2106-02-06 22:28:15.000-08:00)
    but none of us will still be here to care. :-)

    digital man

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Digital Man on Thursday, January 09, 2020 00:56:46
    Year 2106 (specifically, Febuary 2nd) will also be a problem:
    time_t -1 (0xFFFFFFFF) ISO 2106-02-06 22:28:15.000-08:00) but none of us will still be here to care. :-)

    I just want to see some flying Deloreans and a hoverboard and I'm set, no
    need to hang around after that.

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Digital Man on Thursday, January 09, 2020 01:05:22
    Did you forget that one during the Y2K stuff 21 years ago ;) Ther

    As long as toilet paper doesn't jack up in price...everything will be fantastic.

    Year 2106 (specifically, Febuary 2nd) will also be a problem:
    time_t -1 (0xFFFFFFFF) ISO 2106-02-06 22:28:15.000-08:00)

    Seem to remember watching Doctor Who the other night when I believe the
    Master or the Doctor mentioned that DNA is the best storage space there is. Guess there's plenty of time left to encode our ape cousins with the
    necessary changes to keep things going. Just gotta watch out that Col. Taylor is kept from mentioning "damn dirty apes" & everything will be fantastic. ;)

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to ryan on Thursday, January 09, 2020 01:07:22
    Year 2106 (specifically, Febuary 2nd) will also be a problem:
    time_t -1 (0xFFFFFFFF) ISO 2106-02-06 22:28:15.000-08: but none of us will still be here to care. :-)
    I just want to see some flying Deloreans and a hoverboard and I'm set, no need to hang around after that.

    Did you forget that we need to make sure the Clint Eastwood Bridge is also built across the gorge??? ;)

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Phoobar on Thursday, January 09, 2020 10:07:40
    Re: Re: Mystic BBS - Please Read
    By: Phoobar to Digital Man on Thu Jan 09 2020 01:05 am

    Year 2106 (specifically, Febuary 2nd) will also be a problem:
    time_t -1 (0xFFFFFFFF) ISO 2106-02-06 22:28:15.000-08:00)

    Seem to remember watching Doctor Who the other night when I believe the Master or the Doctor mentioned that DNA is the best storage space there is. Guess there's plenty of time left to encode our ape cousins with the necessary changes to keep things going. Just gotta watch out that Col. Taylor is kept from mentioning "damn dirty apes" & everything will be fantastic. ;)

    Modern systems/software use 64-bit time_t's, so it not a universal problem (and
    getting smaller each year/decade). By "none of us", I didn't mean all humans, but I did get the Planet of the Apes joke. :-)

    digital man

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Digital Man on Thursday, January 09, 2020 12:11:03
    I did get the Planet of the Apes joke. :-)

    Am happy someone got it.

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  • From Blue White@21:4/134 to Phoobar on Friday, January 10, 2020 17:51:53
    Seem to remember watching Doctor Who the other night when I believe the Master or the Doctor mentioned that DNA is the best storage space there is.

    IIRC, I think it might have been the other "bad guy," the tech wizard, who
    said that at the speach he was giving, right before he unleashed his evil
    plan. :)



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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Blue White on Saturday, January 11, 2020 00:18:29
    IIRC, I think it might have been the other "bad guy," the tech wizard,
    who said that at the speach he was giving, right before he unleashed his evil plan. :)

    Having just turned 58...you're probably right. It's amazing I'm not in a nursing home when I forget to head to the WC & I almost have an accident from barely being able to walk with twisted legs. ;)

    On a serious note...will have to rewatch it from the media server to make
    sure. See what you make me do! ;)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Monday, January 13, 2020 16:50:00
    On 01-09-20 01:05, Phoobar wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Seem to remember watching Doctor Who the other night when I believe the Master or the Doctor mentioned that DNA is the best storage space there is. Guess there's plenty of time left to encode our ape cousins with
    the necessary changes to keep things going. Just gotta watch out that
    Col. Taylor is kept from mentioning "damn dirty apes" & everything will
    be fantastic. ;)

    And kickstart the Planet of the Apes? :D


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Monday, January 13, 2020 04:59:42
    is. Guess there's plenty of time left to encode our ape cousins with the necessary changes to keep things going. Just gotta watch out that Col. Taylor is kept from mentioning "damn dirty apes" & everything wi be fantastic. ;)
    And kickstart the Planet of the Apes? :D

    True...very true! Now if only Serling (Twilight Zone Fame & writer of the screenplay for the '68 version) were around to write the screenplay for it...should be pretty good.

    Personally...I find the newest ones are the best versions there. Look at it like this...hope we never make it to other planets...since the way we've screwed up this one...we don't deserve another chance. I was actually rooting for the apes in these.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, January 14, 2020 14:10:00
    On 01-13-20 04:59, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    And kickstart the Planet of the Apes? :D

    True...very true! Now if only Serling (Twilight Zone Fame & writer of
    the screenplay for the '68 version) were around to write the screenplay for it...should be pretty good.

    Indeed. :)

    Personally...I find the newest ones are the best versions there. Look
    at it like this...hope we never make it to other planets...since the
    way we've screwed up this one...we don't deserve another chance. I was actually rooting for the apes in these.

    There's been some good movies out lately.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Monday, January 13, 2020 20:23:11
    actually rooting for the apes in these.
    There's been some good movies out lately.

    True...especially with some of the special effects being used.

    Did see a VERY funny movie last night called Jay & Silent Bob Rebooted by
    Kevin Smith. Laughed my butt off seeing all the former actors Smith has used through the years. Can't believe Smith lost a ton of weight.

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  • From Joacim Melin@21:2/130 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, January 14, 2020 06:50:52
    On 01-13-20 04:59, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    And kickstart the Planet of the Apes? :D

    True...very true! Now if only Serling (Twilight Zone Fame & writer of
    the screenplay for the '68 version) were around to write the screenplay
    for it...should be pretty good.

    Indeed. :)

    Personally...I find the newest ones are the best versions there. Look
    at it like this...hope we never make it to other planets...since the
    way we've screwed up this one...we don't deserve another chance. I was
    actually rooting for the apes in these.

    There's been some good movies out lately.

    I watched Joker this past weekend and it completely blew me away. One of the best movies I've seen in ten years, at least.


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  • From Avon@21:1/101 to Joacim Melin on Tuesday, January 14, 2020 19:11:23
    There's been some good movies out lately.

    I watched Joker this past weekend and it completely blew me away. One of the best movies I've seen in ten years, at least.

    Oh really? Cool, I'll be sure to check it out when it arrives here :)

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  • From ryan@21:1/168 to Joacim Melin on Monday, January 13, 2020 22:35:32
    I watched Joker this past weekend and it completely blew me away. One of the best movies I've seen in ten years, at least.

    Same! That film was incredible. I was surprised to learn that the reviews are
    a bit of a mixed bag.

    We saw 1917 a few days ago and it was one of the most intense movies I've
    ever seen. My gf typically hates watching war films with me; I'm a veteran
    and have trouble with suspension of disbelief when historical fiction films
    do ridiculous things that would never actually happen in a war. But this film was intense...and you only ever see it from the perspective of the main characters, so it's very suspenseful.

    My only nitpick is that when someone is shooting at you, you don't hear the "bang!" sound until after the round has already whizzed by you or impacted
    you or something nearby.

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  • From Captain Obvious@21:1/157 to Joacim Melin on Tuesday, January 14, 2020 06:41:50
    On 14 Jan 2020, Joacim Melin said the following...

    I watched Joker this past weekend and it completely blew me away. One of the best movies I've seen in ten years, at least.

    I've heard a lot of really good things about it. Everyone I've talked to that went to see it really like the movie. May have to watch it on my off day this week.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:23:00
    On 01-13-20 20:23, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    actually rooting for the apes in these.
    There's been some good movies out lately.

    True...especially with some of the special effects being used.

    Yes, film makers have a lot more sophisticated tools to work with nowadays. The question is often whether the script writers are up to the task. Sometimes they let the actors and movie down. :/

    Did see a VERY funny movie last night called Jay & Silent Bob Rebooted
    by Kevin Smith. Laughed my butt off seeing all the former actors Smith
    has used through the years. Can't believe Smith lost a ton of weight.

    Hmm OK, interesting.


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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Joacim Melin on Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:27:00
    On 01-14-20 06:50, Joacim Melin wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    There's been some good movies out lately.

    I watched Joker this past weekend and it completely blew me away. One
    of the best movies I've seen in ten years, at least.

    Another good one by the sounds of it. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, January 14, 2020 19:23:40
    True...especially with some of the special effects being used.
    Yes, film makers have a lot more sophisticated tools to work with nowadays. The question is often whether the script writers are up to the task. Sometimes they let the actors and movie down. :/

    Remember seeing how Ed Wood (Plan 9 from Outer Space & others were done) did his movies. Prime example of how the script & special effects shouldn't be done...except to make a classic in the wrong way. Remember what I was told in film class was a professional makes sure continuity is job #1. Remember
    seeing "The Seventh Seal" in college & then "Plan 9" Big difference is being able to see paper plates on fire hanging from exposed wires.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, January 15, 2020 17:37:00
    On 01-14-20 19:23, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Remember seeing how Ed Wood (Plan 9 from Outer Space & others were
    done) did his movies. Prime example of how the script & special effects shouldn't be done...except to make a classic in the wrong way. Remember what I was told in film class was a professional makes sure continuity
    is job #1. Remember seeing "The Seventh Seal" in college & then "Plan
    9" Big difference is being able to see paper plates on fire hanging
    from exposed wires.

    Hmm, you're going in a lot further than I can - actors, directors, etc. Not my strong point. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 15, 2020 04:51:26
    Hmm, you're going in a lot further than I can - actors, directors, etc. Not my strong point. :)

    My 2nd degree was in broadcasting/film...so was able to take classes watching TV shows/movies...so I sailed through it.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, January 16, 2020 11:21:00
    On 01-15-20 04:51, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hmm, you're going in a lot further than I can - actors, directors, etc. Not my strong point. :)

    My 2nd degree was in broadcasting/film...so was able to take classes watching TV shows/movies...so I sailed through it.

    OK, I don't do so well on rote learning or recall. It's an inefficient use of my memory. :/


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 15, 2020 19:06:07
    OK, I don't do so well on rote learning or recall. It's an inefficient use of my memory. :/

    Ah...DDR4 is going pretty cheap nowadays...so neither of us have any excuse.
    ;)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Friday, January 17, 2020 20:07:00
    On 01-15-20 19:06, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    OK, I don't do so well on rote learning or recall. It's an inefficient use of my memory. :/

    Ah...DDR4 is going pretty cheap nowadays...so neither of us have any excuse. ;)

    Umm, not compatible.

    :P


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Friday, January 17, 2020 20:35:38
    Ah...DDR4 is going pretty cheap nowadays...so neither of us have any excuse. ;)
    Umm, not compatible.

    True...in my case...running separate chips like we used to in the old
    days...I might be up to speed. ;)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, January 21, 2020 08:34:00
    On 01-17-20 20:35, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Ah...DDR4 is going pretty cheap nowadays...so neither of us have any excuse. ;)
    Umm, not compatible.

    True...in my case...running separate chips like we used to in the old days...I might be up to speed. ;)

    Haha, yeah we come from the days of separate chips. :D


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Monday, January 20, 2020 16:52:27
    True...in my case...running separate chips like we used to in the old days...I might be up to speed. ;)
    Haha, yeah we come from the days of separate chips. :D

    Hate to date myself...but I remember my 1st PC I bought on closeout from
    Radio Shack. A friend of mine from Seagate got me the sleeve of chips & told
    me how to install them. Was able to get to either 512 or 640 K. Thought I had the cat's meow back in the day.

    A couple of years later...ended up getting OS/2 3.0 (without Windows) & some chips at Wal-Mart to put into a used 386 I bought from a used computer store
    to replace a 286 I was given from a PC tech from used parts years before
    that.

    Don't blow too hard...the dust which is me might blow away. ;)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Tuesday, January 21, 2020 14:10:00
    On 01-20-20 16:52, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    True...in my case...running separate chips like we used to in the old days...I might be up to speed. ;)
    Haha, yeah we come from the days of separate chips. :D

    Hate to date myself...but I remember my 1st PC I bought on closeout
    from Radio Shack. A friend of mine from Seagate got me the sleeve of
    chips & told me how to install them. Was able to get to either 512 or
    640 K. Thought I had the cat's meow back in the day.

    I was probably heavily using PCs back then. First PC at home was a Tandy 1000.
    Not the fastest machine of its day, but it did have some interesting features.

    A couple of years later...ended up getting OS/2 3.0 (without Windows) & some chips at Wal-Mart to put into a used 386 I bought from a used computer store to replace a 286 I was given from a PC tech from used
    parts years before that.

    It was around 7 or 8 years later that I got OS/2 Warp 3 (with Windows) and switched to mostly running that. I was running a home built 486SX25, IIRC. which was upgraded to a 486DX2-66 and eventually a 408DX4-100. And interestingly, this PC started life as an XT clone, back in 1991. The evolution to 486 took over 5 years, incrementally. :)

    I did contiunue home building until the Pentium era, then in 2003 bought my first store bought PC (an AMD Athlon based system). :)

    Don't blow too hard...the dust which is me might blow away. ;)

    Hahaha. :D


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Monday, January 20, 2020 21:26:36
    It was around 7 or 8 years later that I got OS/2 Warp 3 (with Windows)

    Funny you should mention that version. Ended up with a shrink wrapped copy of the blue spin from a school library I was working at around 10 years ago.
    They were going to throw them out & got permission to snag it. Still have it put away. Plus...actually purchased the Blue Wave version for OS/2 about 30 years ago. Still have the certificate that I have the license.

    In terms of upgrades...the 4.52 version is available over on the Internet Archive. Was trying to get it setup on Virtualbox...but never could get the TCP/IP working. Another issue I was having was not being able to get it setup on this netbook to run the BBS off of. Haven't had floppies/drives for around 20 years...so couldn't get it installed.

    408DX4-100. And interestingly, this PC started life as an XT clone,

    That PC I bought used had a new Cyrix 486DX-100 chip in it. Had that until I went to work at Gateway & was able to purchase a PIII 500 on employee
    purchase. Ended up selling that to the radio station after using it on my
    desk to rip programming to run. They ended up using it to stream the stations between different sites.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, January 22, 2020 13:27:00
    On 01-20-20 21:26, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It was around 7 or 8 years later that I got OS/2 Warp 3 (with Windows)

    Funny you should mention that version. Ended up with a shrink wrapped
    copy of the blue spin from a school library I was working at around 10 years ago. They were going to throw them out & got permission to snag
    it. Still have it put away. Plus...actually purchased the Blue Wave version for OS/2 about 30 years ago. Still have the certificate that I have the license.

    Nice. I really enjoyed using OS/2 back in the day. :)

    In terms of upgrades...the 4.52 version is available over on the
    Internet Archive. Was trying to get it setup on Virtualbox...but never could get the TCP/IP working. Another issue I was having was not being able to get it setup on this netbook to run the BBS off of. Haven't had floppies/drives for around 20 years...so couldn't get it installed.

    I'm sure I have 4.52 downloaded somewhere. And yeah, lack of floppies can be an issue these days, though in a VM, you can use virtual floppies with the disk images loaded in order. :)

    As for VirtualBox, that VMM frustrated me in a few ways. Firstly, the management interface would bomb when I tried to setup my second HDD (so I could boot a fresh copy of OS/2 and then sccedd my BBS disk image from OS/2). I did eventually get the second HDD working (with some manual hacking of the configs), but I couldn't get the VM to boot off the new OS/2 installation. It would insist on using Boot Manager, which was on the other disk image. That wasn't helpful, because OS/2 won't boot on the image now. :(

    408DX4-100. And interestingly, this PC started life as an XT clone,

    That PC I bought used had a new Cyrix 486DX-100 chip in it. Had that
    until I went to work at Gateway & was able to purchase a PIII 500 on employee purchase. Ended up selling that to the radio station after
    using it on my desk to rip programming to run. They ended up using it
    to stream the stations between different sites.

    I pretty much skipped the PII-PIII era and jumped into the Athlon/P4 PCs. Howeer, I later obtained secondhand PCs from this era. All are long dead now.


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Tuesday, January 21, 2020 19:33:35
    I'm sure I have 4.52 downloaded somewhere. And yeah, lack of floppies
    can be an issue these days, though in a VM, you can use virtual floppies with the disk images loaded in order. :)

    Tried that & would boot...but being used to how Windows doing things...it's a different way to get your OS setup. That boot manager confounded me to no end.

    I pretty much skipped the PII-PIII era and jumped into the Athlon/P4
    PCs. Howeer, I later obtained secondhand PCs from this era. All are
    long dead now.

    Had a K6 for a while on an Asus board when the fan on the Northbridge went
    out & tried to replace it. Eventually...saved up my money to get a Gigabyte board running an AMD before they started using the one I'm using...which is several years old...but still runs.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, January 22, 2020 17:53:00
    On 01-21-20 19:33, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    I'm sure I have 4.52 downloaded somewhere. And yeah, lack of floppies
    can be an issue these days, though in a VM, you can use virtual floppies with the disk images loaded in order. :)

    Tried that & would boot...but being used to how Windows doing things...it's a different way to get your OS setup. That boot manager confounded me to no end.

    Hmm, OK. :) Which boot manager? OS/2 or the VM?

    I pretty much skipped the PII-PIII era and jumped into the Athlon/P4
    PCs. Howeer, I later obtained secondhand PCs from this era. All are
    long dead now.

    Had a K6 for a while on an Asus board when the fan on the Northbridge
    went out & tried to replace it. Eventually...saved up my money to get a Gigabyte board running an AMD before they started using the one I'm using...which is several years old...but still runs.

    I haven't had an AMD since the Athlon. Mine was less than stellar, proving slow on my workload and I also had to underclock the system for stability. I'm sure it was on a Gigabyte motherboard, though it was a very long time ago.

    However, the new AMDs look really nice. :)


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 22, 2020 00:12:36
    Hmm, OK. :) Which boot manager? OS/2 or the VM?

    The OS/2 one. More than once I couldn't figure it out until I did some research. You will never hear me say this again...IBM could've used some help from Microsoft on this.

    However, the new AMDs look really nice. :)

    Those new Ryzen chips would be able to take the place of a wife...if I had 1. Everything I've read about them make me see them as a piece of art compared
    to some of the Intel chips for less cost.

    Was looking at some of the new boards/memory/chips and almost drolled my PC
    out of existence on what they will do...compared to those in the past.

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Wednesday, January 22, 2020 19:49:00
    On 01-22-20 00:12, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Hmm, OK. :) Which boot manager? OS/2 or the VM?

    The OS/2 one. More than once I couldn't figure it out until I did some research. You will never hear me say this again...IBM could've used
    some help from Microsoft on this.

    Hmm, I never had any issues with Boot Manager. I used it with OS/2 and later with Partition Magic on Windows computers.

    However, the new AMDs look really nice. :)

    Those new Ryzen chips would be able to take the place of a wife...if I
    had 1. Everything I've read about them make me see them as a piece of
    art compared to some of the Intel chips for less cost.

    Yes, everything I've read about Ryzen impresses me as well. Unfortunately, I can't justify a new system. :/

    Was looking at some of the new boards/memory/chips and almost drolled
    my PC out of existence on what they will do...compared to those in the past.

    Hahaha oops Looks like you need to practice some safe HEX. Buy a keyboard cover. :D



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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Wednesday, January 22, 2020 11:38:10
    Hmm, I never had any issues with Boot Manager. I used it with OS/2 and later with Partition Magic on Windows computers.

    After 15-20 years...it was something I used to be able to deal with...but Windows/Linux don't seem to be as cryptic as Boot Manager looks to me after
    all this time.

    Yes, everything I've read about Ryzen impresses me as well. Unfortunately, I can't justify a new system. :/

    Same here. The only reason I'm running what I'm running is because a former roommate blew out my keyboard/power supply by spilling water. Told him he
    would (he did) replace my system...since I had no way to test what was wrong
    or else.

    Hahaha oops Looks like you need to practice some safe HEX. Buy a
    keyboard cover. :D

    But...but...but...it just doesn't feel the same. ;)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, January 23, 2020 11:35:00
    On 01-22-20 11:38, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    After 15-20 years...it was something I used to be able to deal
    with...but Windows/Linux don't seem to be as cryptic as Boot Manager
    looks to me after all this time.

    Hmm, it's been a while since I've configured Boot Manager, but I don't recall it being that cryptic. :)

    Yes, everything I've read about Ryzen impresses me as well.
    Unfortunately, I can't justify a new system. :/

    Same here. The only reason I'm running what I'm running is because a former roommate blew out my keyboard/power supply by spilling water.
    Told him he would (he did) replace my system...since I had no way to
    test what was wrong or else.

    Hmm, all spilling water on this keyboard would do is kill the keyboard... maybe. Certainly wouldn't kill the system - kinda hard to do with a wireless keyboard. :D

    Hahaha oops Looks like you need to practice some safe HEX. Buy a
    keyboard cover. :D

    But...but...but...it just doesn't feel the same. ;)

    Hahaha! :D


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 23, 2020 00:13:42
    Hmm, all spilling water on this keyboard would do is kill the keyboard... maybe. Certainly wouldn't kill the system - kinda hard to do with a wireless keyboard. :D

    It was one of my old Microsoft Natural wired keyboards. Still have the 2nd one...but he waited 3 days to tell me what he did...only after I p/u the keyboard & water came out of it.

    Hahaha oops Looks like you need to practice some safe HEX. Buy a keyboard cover. :D
    But...but...but...it just doesn't feel the same. ;)
    Hahaha! :D

    So nice to be right about something for once. ;)

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  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Phoobar on Thursday, January 23, 2020 21:03:00
    On 01-23-20 00:13, Phoobar wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    It was one of my old Microsoft Natural wired keyboards. Still have the
    2nd one...but he waited 3 days to tell me what he did...only after I
    p/u the keyboard & water came out of it.

    Bastard! :/ The least he could have done is owned up to it at the time.

    Hahaha oops Looks like you need to practice some safe HEX. Buy a keyboard cover. :D
    But...but...but...it just doesn't feel the same. ;)
    Hahaha! :D

    So nice to be right about something for once. ;)

    Haha maybe. :P


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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Vk3jed on Thursday, January 23, 2020 11:49:55
    2nd one...but he waited 3 days to tell me what he did...only after I p/u the keyboard & water came out of it.
    Bastard! :/ The least he could have done is owned up to it at the time.

    Ended up putting emphasis on the fact...he did it...he's going to replace it
    or else he'll be making a trip home...in several boxes of dry ice.

    So nice to be right about something for once. ;)
    Haha maybe. :P

    As I tell co-workers...used to work with stand-up comedians...so I take them anywhere I can. ;)

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  • From Phoobar@21:2/147 to Digital Man on Tuesday, March 03, 2020 13:49:58
    necessary changes to keep things going. Just gotta watch out that Col. Taylor is kept from mentioning "damn dirty apes" & everything will be fantastic. ;)
    getting smaller each year/decade). By "none of us", I didn't mean all humans, but I did get the Planet of the Apes joke. :-)

    Still love the original. Still think Edward G. Robinson would've been a great Dr. Zaeus<sp>...like he was in some of the screen tests.

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