Al - HPT is packing a sad with the linking command. I get a lot of
Jan:30:2021:22:00:30 Linking area ESSNASA
B Jan:30:2021:22:00:30 msg 556 hasn't got any MSGID, replying is not possible
I'm hoping these will settle and occur just once each time HPT encounters a 'new' echomail tag it's tossing? I'm picking it's related to my use of data files created by Fastecho?
All - please note the IPv6 connectivity to my systems will likely be impacted for a while as well. So if no joy with an IPv6 poll please try IPv4... reports on this are welcome :)
Also expect outages for 3:770/1 over the coming 24 hours.
I may move those postings over to Synchronet at some point and that will be cleared up, for my posts anyway.
Yep, the bulk of the posts in that area are posted by "hpt post ...".
It seems there is no MSGID or TZUTC on those messages. I think that is a bug but maybe nobody cares because they are all robot posts.
I'm hoping these will settle and occur just once each time HPT encoun a 'new' echomail tag it's tossing? I'm picking it's related to my use data files created by Fastecho?
No, nothing to do with FastEcho at all. That has always been the case
with those autoposts that I generate here, and that others create with "hpt post ...".
I think that message actually means "reply linking is not possible", and if I am not mistaken hpt will fall back to the subject line for reply linking but I am not certain. It's caused by the lack of a MSGID in
those posts.
All - please note the IPv6 connectivity to my systems will likely be impacted for a while as well. So if no joy with an IPv6 poll please t IPv4... reports on this are welcome :)
I only have IPv4 ATM, but that is working between us.
Now that I think about it, I am going to move those posts over to Synchronet and I think it'll do a better job on those posts.
Al - HPT is packing a sad with the linking command. I get a lot of
Jan:30:2021:22:00:30 Linking area ESSNASA
B Jan:30:2021:22:00:30 msg 556 hasn't got any MSGID, replying is not possible
Al - HPT is packing a sad with the linking command. I get a lot of
Jan:30:2021:22:00:30 Linking area ESSNASA
B Jan:30:2021:22:00:30 msg 556 hasn't got any MSGID, replying is not possible
I just had a look and the messages in there do have a MSGID. They are missing a TZUTC though. I suppose that is minor, but still a bug.
I do see that message in my log at times though, when messages are
missing the MSGID in areas like ALLFIX_FILE, FDN_ANNOUNCE and FIDO-REQ.
Still, I wonder why you see that in the ESSNASA area?
So am I going to see this big list of errors occur every time a message is tossed in by HPT? In some cases the errors being reported after tossing a single message are several pages long.
so HPT should be creating a MSGID for posted text / bot posts... seems strange the tool is not.
for 3:770/1 ? Right?
Can you still hit 21:1/100 with IPv6?
I'm wondering about the merits of using this switch for now.
I guess if I run something like Golded and point to these HUB JAM bases then it would be of benefit to me? But otherwise I'm not sure of what the upside is?
so HPT should be creating a MSGID for posted text / bot posts...
seems strange the tool is not.
It is actually,
It's not adding a TZUTC but I think that's minor.
It's not adding a TZUTC but I think that's minor.
It's weird to see messages from the future. With time set to the UTC timezone it would be fine, but NZ time without a timezone ...
Yes, it should. Maybe someone should ask in the HUSKY echo, if that can be added.
It's not adding a TZUTC but I think that's minor.
If I recall you are using htp post to post these messages?
LogLevels 45789,A,C-F
In the script is just this command:
(echo -e \\x01CHRS: CP437 2 && echo -e \\x01TZUTC: 1000 && cat)
(You may want to drop the CHRS part, and change the TZUTC: to 1200).
Your other option which may work ( recall doing it at some point ) - is
to set TZ=UTC in your script/environment that does the posting, which should result in the time being used as determine in UTC - but it wont
add a kludge still.
LogLevels 45789,A,C-F
I removed B and U but have left the rest in for now. Golly there's a lot of stuff that can quickly fill up that log file eh?
most countries change timezones twice a year. (I#m still hoping that we get rid of daylight saving time).
I personally wouldn't miss switching the clocks around one bit.
Bob Roberts wrote to Warpslide <=-
128
I personally wouldn't miss switching the clocks around one bit.
32 US states have approved abolishing the time change once Congress
passes a law to abolish it. It's an unnecessary relic in my opinion.
Bob Roberts
--- SBBSecho 3.12-Linux
* Origin: Halls of Valhalla -:- hovalbbs.com:2333 (21:2/118)
My father, who used to live in Saskatchewan, said that they didn't observe the twice yearly change.
When I was young I spent my summers on a farm and we were up around 4AM Al> milking the cows, about 500 of them.
When I was young I spent my summers on a farm and we were up around
4AM milking the cows, about 500 of them.
Was that by hand or by machine?
How long would that take to do all 500?
How long would that take to do all 500?
We started just about 4AM and would be done and eating breakfast around about 8AM.
We started just about 4AM and would be done and eating breakfast
around about 8AM.
That's not as bad as I thought it'd be. How many people were doing the milking?
How many could you do at a time?
I really have no idea why I'm so fascinated by this, I just find it interesting.
mseifert wrote to Bob Roberts <=-
I live in Ontario and would love it very much if we stopped using Daylight Savings Time. Originally it made sense
when the majority of our populations still lived and worked on farms or industries where they needed to work during
the daylight hours.
Personally I hope that if they do get rid of it they do it in the
Autumn, after we gained the extra hour of sleep. LOL!
What a bad idea that was. If you want an extra hour of sunlight get up
an hour earlier!
I prefer that they just let 12 noon be 12 noon and 12 midnight be 12 midnight but it looks like here in BC we are going to PDT and stay there.
IMHO, a lot of people blame DST on farmers but I don't think that is
I live in Ontario and would love it very much if we stopped using Daylight Savings Time. Originally it made sense
when the majority of our populations still lived and worked on farms or industries where they needed to work during
the daylight hours.
Al said to mseifert <=-
108
Re: Re: Daylight Saving Time
By: mseifert to Bob Roberts on Wed Feb 03 2021 07:04 pm
My father, who used to live in Saskatchewan, said that they didn't observe the twice yearly change.
What a bad idea that was. If you want an extra hour of sunlight get up
an hour earlier! When I was young I spent my summers on a farm and we
were up around 4AM milking the cows, about 500 of them. If you want to
be up at the crack of down then go ahead and do that but don't mess
with the clock, that makes no sense!
I think we are going to do away with the time change here in BC, just trying to pin down a good time and place to do that along with our neighbors.
Adept wrote to Blue White <=-
IMHO, a lot of people blame DST on farmers but I don't think that is
It would seem odd that a farmer would get up based off of a clock
rather than based off of sunrise. Especially when dealing with animals that have not yet learned how to read clock hands.
Al wrote to Adept <=-
I prefer that they just let 12 noon be 12 noon and 12 midnight be 12 midnight but it looks like here in BC we are going to PDT and stay
there.
Well, we have Benjamin Franklin to thank for Day Light Savings, Although first instituted in 1915, the idea of daylight time had been batted around for a more than a century. Benjamin Franklin suggested the idea more than once in the 1770s while he was an emissary to France. But it wasn't until more than a century later that the idea of daylight time was taken seriously.
As for BC argeeing with it's neighbors... if there one thing about Canada we can all agree upon is that collectively we can never fully agree on anything. LOL! God bless, our home and native land.
Since you all are farther north it may not matter as much. Here in the mid-latitudes, if the force us to daylight savings year around, there will be days in the winter where the Sun doesn't come up until ~9am and, if it is a typical winter day where it is cloudy it won't really get light until ~10am.
But people, especially politicians, are not particularly that bright so I am sure they will pick the wrong choice. Once one or two areas choose that everyone will have to choose that or leave it as is.
mseifert wrote to Bob Roberts <=-
I live in Ontario and would love it very much if we stopped using Daylight Savings Time. Originally it made sense
when the majority of our populations still lived and worked on farms or industries where they needed to work during
the daylight hours.
Blue White said to mseifert <=-
Personally I hope that if they do get rid of it they do it in the
Autumn, after we gained the extra hour of sleep. LOL!
Agreed.
I live in Ontario and would love it very much if we stopped using Daylight Savings Time. Originally it made sense
when the majority of our populations still lived and worked on farms or industries where they needed to work during
the daylight hours.
I find that a tad strange... In Australian eastern states, NSW, and Vic have AEDT, while Queensland doesn't. Queensland originally went
without as it was felt it would inconvenience the farming community.
You couldn't re train your cows to come in an hour later for milking
for arguments sake.
Spec
Quoting Al, who said to mseifert <-(:
Re: Re: Daylight Saving Time
By: mseifert to Al on Fri Feb 05 2021 09:59 am
Regardless of how you adjust your clock, there is only so many hours of daylight in a day. This trickery accomplishes nothing!
As for BC argeeing with it's neighbors... if there one thing about Canada we can all agree upon is that collectively we can never fully agree on anything. LOL! God bless, our home and native land.
We can so! ;)
Adept wrote to Al <=-
I guess I'm more a fan of just having everyone on UTC/GMT and forgoing time zones altogether.
Adept wrote to Blue White <=-
It would seem odd that a farmer would get up based off of a clock
rather than based off of sunrise. Especially when dealing with animals that have not yet learned how to read clock hands.
It would seem odd that a farmer would get up based off of a
clock rather than based off of sunrise. Especially when
dealing with animals that have not yet learned how to read
clock hands.
DST or not, and daylight or not, wouldn't matter to cows.
Milking would always be at consistent 12 hour intervals.
Besides if we ever got rid of it we wouldn't be able to laugh at co-workers who sleep in, in the spring. :)
mid-latitudes, if the force us to daylight savings year around, there
will be days in the winter where the Sun doesn't come up until ~9am and, if it is a typical winter day where it is cloudy it won't really get
light until ~10am.
Regardless of how you adjust your clock, there is only so many hours of daylight in a day. This trickery accomplishes nothing!
It would seem odd that a farmer would get up based off of a clock rather than based off of sunrise. Especially when dealing with animal that have not yet learned how to read clock hands.
I'm pretty sure the dog in Shaun the Sheep had an analog watch.
Al wrote to mseifert <=-
Regardless of how you adjust your clock, there is only so many hours of daylight in a day. This trickery accomplishes nothing!
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Adept <=-
I always think of the book Eastern Standard Tribe and the idea of
people congregating based on time zone, not location. I'm working for a company based out of Paris. Luckily I don't do a lot of work directly
with them, but have been on a couple of meetings that ran during their business hours.
mseifert wrote to Al <=-
Well, we have Benjamin Franklin to thank for Day Light Savings,
Although first instituted in 1915, the idea of daylight time had been batted around for a more than a century. Benjamin Franklin suggested
the idea more than once in the 1770s while he was an emissary to
France. But it wasn't until more than a century later that the idea of daylight time was taken seriously.
Adept wrote to Blue White <=-
Why exactly is it important to have the daylight at 8a rather than 4p?
.. Most of them also don't understand that the amount of
daylight each day isn't tied to an artificial time change,
i.e. they think the Sun will be out less *total* hours if
we don't have DST.
Some of those people are my age or older, so I cannot blame
it on "what they learn in school these days."
DST or not, and daylight or not, wouldn't matter to cows.
Milking would always be at consistent 12 hour intervals.
I have the same problem with my cats. We give them wet food
at 7am and 7pm (dry food is out for them all the time).
When the clocks change they sometimes bug us at 6am for a
few days until they catch on to time change.
Believe it or not, there are people who do not understand this. They believe that DST makes the Sun stay out longer (not just later, but longer!) and that places that don't observe DST get few hours of sunlight because of it.
Quoting Al, who said to mseifert <-(:
Re: Re: Daylight Saving Time
By: mseifert to Al on Sat Feb 06 2021 12:23 pm
Besides if we ever got rid of it we wouldn't be able to laugh at co-workers who sleep in, in the spring. :)
I once arrived at work an hour early in the fall and wondered where everybody was!
This whole spring ahead and fall back idea just doesn't work for me.
Ttyl :-),
Al
Ogg wrote to Blue White <=-
.. Most of them also don't understand that the amount of
daylight each day isn't tied to an artificial time change,
i.e. they think the Sun will be out less *total* hours if
we don't have DST.
I've never encountered that notion (that somehow DST generates
more daylight hours). But perhaps a more uniform understanding
of the term would have been better if it was referred to as
Daylight Shifted Time. OR.. DLT, Daylight Later Time.
Spectre wrote to Blue White <=-
Believe it or not, there are people who do not understand this. They believe that DST makes the Sun stay out longer (not just later, but longer!) and that places that don't observe DST get few hours of sunlight because of it.
Used to be a perennial joke running around here, about some old biddy complaining about DST because the extra hour of sun faded her curtains more.
| Sysop: | sneaky |
|---|---|
| Location: | Ashburton,NZ |
| Users: | 2 |
| Nodes: | 8 (0 / 8) |
| Uptime: | 31:54:25 |
| Calls: | 2,116 |
| Files: | 11,149 |
| D/L today: |
315 files (11,412K bytes) |
| Messages: | 952,661 |