• Java programming

    From Charles Pierson@21:4/111 to All on Sunday, September 27, 2020 17:14:51

    As I understand it, Android apps are primarily Java based. Does anyone know what if any difference there is between the SDKs between the different OSes?

    For example, JEdPoint is an open source (I believe) point system written in Java. Would it be a lot of re-writing to adapt it as an Android app? I know, for me, it's far beyond anything I'm capable of. I haven't done much of anything in that fashion since the days of C++.

    I'm probably far more interested in FTN - Android access than anyone in their right mind should be. But I wonder about this stuff. Hell, I have a crazy idea of running a full blown BBS of an Android device someday, just to see it happen.

    Anyway, that's my pipe-dream of the day.
    --- AfterShock/Android 1.6.7
    * Origin: HOUSTON, TX (21:4/111)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Charles Pierson on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 09:51:00
    I'm probably far more interested in FTN - Android access than anyone in their right mind should be. But I wonder about this stuff. Hell, I have a crazy idea of running a full blown BBS of an Android device someday, just to see it happen.


    You could be running around with the whole BBS in your pocket so to speak :) I'd hate to have to use the BBS console on it though :P

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: Scrawled in haste at The Lower Planes (21:3/101)
  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Charles Pierson on Monday, September 28, 2020 21:38:00
    Hello Charles!

    ** On Sunday 27.09.20 - 17:14, Charles Pierson wrote to All:

    I'm probably far more interested in FTN - Android access
    than anyone in their right mind should be. But I wonder
    about this stuff. Hell, I have a crazy idea of running a
    full blown BBS of an Android device someday, just to see
    it happen.

    But.. then you would be the sole user on that bbs? Could that
    implementation be truly called a bbs when it would more likely
    behave like a point - that is, reading/writing messages for
    your own use.


    --- OpenXP 5.0.46
    * Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Ogg on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 22:22:00
    But.. then you would be the sole user on that bbs? Could that implementation be truly called a bbs when it would more likely
    behave like a point - that is, reading/writing messages for your
    own use.

    No..... you'd have to be able to telnet/ssh to it, and have remote users.. :)

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: Scrawled in haste at The Lower Planes (21:3/101)
  • From Charles Pierson@21:4/111 to Spectre on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 08:30:03

    But.. then you would be the sole user on that bbs? Could that
    implementation be truly called a bbs when it would more likely
    behave like a point - that is, reading/writing messages for your
    own use.

    No..... you'd have to be able to telnet/ssh to it, and have remote users.. :)

    This is very strange. I was curious that there hadn't been any activity on my
    topic here, but now I see a reply to a reply, although I've yet to see anything
    in direct response to my original message. And this isn't the first time.

    --- AfterShock/Android 1.6.7
    * Origin: HOUSTON, TX (21:4/111)
  • From Charles Pierson@21:4/111 to Ogg on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 14:34:16

    But.. then you would be the sole user on that bbs? Could that
    implementation be truly called a bbs when it would more likely
    behave like a point - that is, reading/writing messages for your
    own use.

    In theory, a bbs on a phone or a tablet could be fully functional. At least as
    far as message bases and users. Doors and File areas I'm not sure about yet.

    But say some inspired individual manages to port a BBS program/tosser/Binkp and
    what all else is required to Android or even (shudder) iPhone/iPad. I'm pretty
    sure my old Samsung phone, or one of my old Nook Colors have more storage space
    and RAM than any DT system running a BBS IN 1990 did. And while the screen size
    might be small, it would be relatively easy for the sysop to log in remotely from his desktop and manage it from there. In practice, not much difference from when I've had to log into a companies system remotely to run some programs
    my coworkers needed me to do when I was away from work.



    --- AfterShock/Android 1.6.7
    * Origin: HOUSTON, TX (21:4/111)
  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Charles Pierson on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 18:21:00
    Hello Charles!

    ** On Tuesday 29.09.20 - 14:34, Charles Pierson wrote to Ogg:

    In theory, a bbs on a phone or a tablet could be fully
    functional. At least as far as message bases and users.
    Doors and File areas I'm not sure about yet.

    I'm still imagining WHY would anyone settle with operating a
    BBS from a phone/tablet. Unless it is just to function
    occasionally akin to a point, the device would have to be on
    24/7 for callers or other connecting systems. Not sure how
    that would work. With the radio always "on" - the device would
    need to be practically tied-down to a charging device.


    But say some inspired individual manages to port a BBS program/tosser/Binkp and what all else is required to
    Android or even (shudder) iPhone/iPad. I'm pretty sure
    my old Samsung phone, or one of my old Nook Colors have
    more storage space and RAM than any DT system running a
    BBS IN 1990 did.

    It's amazing how computer tech has progressed from the 90s
    until now. I remember feeling richly blessed when I picked up
    a 500MB Maxtor as a secondary HDD at a Walmart for half price
    - which more than tripled the existing paltry amount that came
    with the original computer.


    And while the screen size might be small, it would be
    relatively easy for the sysop to log in remotely from his
    desktop and manage it from there. In practice, not much
    difference from when I've had to log into a companies
    system remotely to run some programs my coworkers needed
    me to do when I was away from work.

    But... if you were to want to manage the BBS from a desktop,
    then why not just use the desktop?!? :/ The telnet/SSH layer
    would just add to lag and slower response.

    I guess your imagined project is akin to people constructing
    miniature ships inside a bottle. The challenge is in the
    project. Whether it is practical to do it is secondary. I'd
    rather build the little ship OUTSIDE the bottle. :D

    --- OpenXP 5.0.46
    * Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Charles Pierson on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 08:45:00
    This is very strange. I was curious that there hadn't been any
    activity on my topic here, but now I see a reply to a reply, although

    That is strange, because I did reply to the original too...I think, about having your BBS in your pocket....

    Spec


    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: (21:3/101)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Charles Pierson on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 08:55:00
    Did you end up finding any messages to yourself about AndyBBS? Sometimes I find the messages turn up wildly out of sync, with reply to to reply arriving before the initial replies do... so sometimes I find they are further down your message base, or in some cases even the following day

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: Scrawled in haste at The Lower Planes (21:3/101)
  • From Charles Pierson@21:4/111 to Ogg on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 18:22:25


    I'm still imagining WHY would anyone settle with operating a
    BBS from a phone/tablet. Unless it is just to function
    occasionally akin to a point, the device would have to be on
    24/7 for callers or other connecting systems. Not sure how
    that would work. With the radio always "on" - the device would
    need to be practically tied-down to a charging device.

    Example: I have one desktop pc. It serves multiple purposes already, when the keyboard isn't not working.

    I also have an unused Android phone, and two rarely used Nook Color tablets. Now the Nooks aren't Android, but I've read how to convert them to it.

    Now, once a BBS is setup, in all honesty, other than maintenance, I don't see myself needing to login to it locally. A Telnet/QWK or Point setup for the message bases, Telnet for any Doors that could be done, which currently is zero
    because there aren't any compatible with Android.
    Besides, Telnet would give a better idea of how your users are experiencing it.


    It's amazing how computer tech has progressed from the 90s
    until now. I remember feeling richly blessed when I picked up
    a 500MB Maxtor as a secondary HDD at a Walmart for half price
    - which more than tripled the existing paltry amount that came
    with the original computer.

    I remember being excited for 20 meg of Hard drive space. My current desktop is
    1.5 TB i believe. But it drags. 15 year old system and I'm pushing it.


    But... if you were to want to manage the BBS from a desktop,
    then why not just use the desktop?!? :/ The telnet/SSH layer
    would just add to lag and slower response.

    Why would there be any more lag than my using Telnet to log onto any BBS now?

    I guess your imagined project is akin to people constructing
    miniature ships inside a bottle. The challenge is in the
    project. Whether it is practical to do it is secondary. I'd
    rather build the little ship OUTSIDE the bottle. :D

    I will admit, I do like doing things just to be able to see if it's possible. I've fried some CPUs in the past tweaking with things to install software on them that they were below minimum requirements for.

    But in this case, beyond can it be done (which it can, I just don't have the skill set to do it from scratch yet), I see it as a plausible usable thing.

    --- AfterShock/Android 1.6.7
    * Origin: HOUSTON, TX (21:4/111)
  • From Tiny@21:1/130 to Ogg on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 10:05:40
    Quoting Ogg to Charles Pierson <=-

    I guess your imagined project is akin to people constructing
    miniature ships inside a bottle. The challenge is in the
    project. Whether it is practical to do it is secondary. I'd
    rather build the little ship OUTSIDE the bottle. :D

    You do actually build the ship outside the bottle, it's designed to
    fold down. When you place it inside that's when you unfold the mast
    back up.

    The wooden ball in a cage is carved out of a solid piece of wood
    though. I've been working on one all summer, I carve quite slow as my
    hands don't have a lot of strength and are almost always in constant
    pain.

    Useless trivia for you on a Wednesday morning. LOL

    Shawn

    ... Is the US ready for self-government?

    --- EzyBlueWave V3.00 01FB001F
    * Origin: Tiny's BBS - telnet://tinysbbs.com:3023 (21:1/130)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 21:03:00
    On 09-30-20 08:45, Spectre wrote to Charles Pierson <=-

    This is very strange. I was curious that there hadn't been any
    activity on my topic here, but now I see a reply to a reply, although

    That is strange, because I did reply to the original too...I think,
    about having your BBS in your pocket....

    Is that a BBS in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me? ;)


    ... OUT TO LUNCH - If not back at five, OUT TO DINNER!
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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Tiny on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 08:31:00
    Hello Tiny!

    ** On Wednesday 30.09.20 - 10:05, Tiny wrote to Ogg:

    ..I'd rather build the little ship OUTSIDE the bottle.
    :D

    You do actually build the ship outside the bottle, it's
    designed to fold down. When you place it inside that's
    when you unfold the mast back up.

    Oh yeah.. I now remember the "trick" ship-in-a-bottle
    constructionists use. But I've also seen people building
    other things in bottles or adjusting their creations directly
    without folding/unfolding.


    The wooden ball in a cage is carved out of a solid piece
    of wood though. I've been working on one all summer, I
    carve quite slow as my hands don't have a lot of
    strength and are almost always in constant pain.

    Those are very cool objects. They play a little trick on the
    mind. I really like the many puzzles that are based on things
    like that. I enjoy the "secret" puzzles that challenge you to
    find out how to open them.


    Useless trivia for you on a Wednesday morning. LOL

    That was perfectly welcomed.

    --- OpenXP 5.0.46
    * Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)
  • From Charles Pierson@21:4/111 to Spectre on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 08:47:19
    Thus spake Vk3jed:
    On 09-30-20 08:45, Spectre wrote to Charles Pierson <=-

    This is very strange. I was curious that there hadn't been any
    activity on my topic here, but now I see a reply to a reply, although

    That is strange, because I did reply to the original too...I think,
    about having your BBS in your pocket....

    Yeah, talking with Ogg, he showed me a screenshot of the thread and there are
    a few messages I never got.


    So let it be written, So let it be done.
    --- AfterShock/Android 1.6.7
    * Origin: HOUSTON, TX (21:4/111)
  • From Spectre@21:1/101 to Vk3jed on Thursday, October 01, 2020 20:46:27
    Is that a BBS in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me? ;)

    Yes and no....

    Spec

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (21:1/101)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Thursday, October 01, 2020 20:20:00
    On 10-01-20 20:46, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Is that a BBS in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me? ;)

    Yes and no....

    Hahahaha! :D


    ... Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes time and annoys the pig.
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  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Vk3jed on Friday, October 02, 2020 11:57:00
    Is that a BBS in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me? ;)

    Its still a yes and no...

    Spec


    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: (21:3/101)
  • From Spectre@21:3/101 to Ogg on Friday, October 02, 2020 12:16:00
    Oh yeah.. I now remember the "trick" ship-in-a-bottle
    constructionists use. But I've also seen people building other
    things in bottles or adjusting their creations directly without folding/unfolding.

    There's always the glass blowers alternative ;) Cut the bottom of the bottle off, and weld it back when you're done :P

    Spec


    *** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
    --- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
    * Origin: Scrawled in haste at The Lower Planes (21:3/101)
  • From Vk3jed@21:1/109 to Spectre on Friday, October 02, 2020 19:53:00
    On 10-02-20 11:57, Spectre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Is that a BBS in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me? ;)

    Its still a yes and no...

    Hahaha. :D


    ... I used to get high on life but lately I've built up a resistance.
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