WWIV 5.5 Prerelease (5.5.0)

@wwiv wwiv released this 4 days ago - 1 commit to wwiv55 since this release
We are happy to announce a prerelease of WWIV 5.5 is available as the stable re
lease of WWIV BBS for Linux and Windows.

WWIV 5.5 is the 5th major release after the long-awaited 5.0 release and in add
ition to native WWIVnet support (no more DOS dependencies) on all platforms, supports native Fido Technology Networking (FTN) Support. Also has internal full screen message editor.

System Requirements:
Win32: Windows 7 or later using MS Visual C++ 2019 Community Edition.
Linux: GCC 8.3 (or later) on (Debian10, Centos7 with SCL, or Ubuntu)
CMake 3.13 or newer

Home Page: https://www.wwivbbs.org/
For detailed release notes, see here: https://github.com/wwivbbs/wwiv/releases
/tag/wwiv_5.5.0
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WWIV 5.5 is the 5th major release after the long-awaited 5.0 release and in add ition to native WWIVnet support (no more DOS dependencies) on all platforms, supports native Fido Technology Networking (FTN) Support.

Wow! Sounds like WWIV is entering the modern BBS-ing age for many of the quality-of-life technologies we use.

That's pretty neat! I hope someone out there gives us a review of it, if they dive into it.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)

@wwiv wwiv released this 4 days ago - 1 commit to wwiv55 since this release We are happy to announce a prerelease of WWIV 5.5 is available
as the stable re

I'm really excited to give it a try! Have you run it on Linux? I have a
spare PI4 sitting in front of me I'm installing tomorrow, and plan on downloading the distro and checking out the changes to WWIV. It'll be a
second BBS, new name.

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/05/26 (Windows/64)
* Origin: The Vault BBS (21:4/167)

quality-of-life technologies we use.

That's pretty neat! I hope someone out there gives us a review of it, if they dive into it.

I'll be diving in starting tomorrow. I think Deon mentioned playing around with it also. I can say that the "stock" version is not much to look at from
a user prospective, but is mostly true for "most" BBS systems. I *think*
from what I skimmed, it's written in visual C .. which is pretty dang cool -- source code available!? Very cool. So look forward to seeing if I can get
it up and running, and just how much customization I can do. I miss the old WWIV days, so it'll be a "blast from the past" slower project of mine then my current system.

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/05/26 (Windows/64)
* Origin: The Vault BBS (21:4/167)

RE: Re: WWIV 5.5
BY: The Godfather(21:4/167)

I'm really excited to give it a try! Have you run it on Linux? I have
a
spare PI4 sitting in front of me I'm installing tomorrow, and plan on downloading the distro and checking out the changes to WWIV. It'll be a second BBS, new name.

You can install the linux debian10 binary distribution, but need to rebuild the
binaries on arm/rpi from source to replace them with arm64 binaries instead of the x86 binaries.

I did that and it seemed to work. Haven't figured out how to get doors to work there though. I run my bbs on linux on a cloud server using the free tier.



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RE: Re: WWIV 5.5
BY: The Godfather(21:4/167)

from what I skimmed, it's written in visual C .. which is pretty dang
cool --
source code available!? Very cool. So look forward to seeing if I can

Yes the source is on github.
https://github.com/wwivbbs/wwiv/tree/wwiv55 Is the 5.5 source tree.

-rushfan


--- WWIV 5.5.0.3243
* Origin: Mystic Rhythms BBS (21:2/115)

On 09/04/2020 1:30 am Weatherman said...

WWIV 5.5 Prerelease (5.5.0)
@wwiv wwiv released this 4 days ago - 1 commit to wwiv55 since this release We are happy to announce a prerelease of WWIV 5.5 is available as the stable re lease of WWIV BBS for Linux and Windows.

This is awesome. WWIV was my gateway drug to being a sysop. In the mid 90's it is what everyone ran in my network, before we disovered forum hacks.

Def. going to check this out!



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Wow! Sounds like WWIV is entering the modern BBS-ing age for many of the quality-of-life technologies we use.

That's pretty neat! I hope someone out there gives us a review of it, if they dive into it.

Yes, it has been getting lots of enhancements over the years thanks to Rushfan.
It is completely open source, so all those with C++ skills can join in the fun
on GitHub.

A bunch of systems in WWIVnet are running it. I need to setup a clone of my classic system and run it side by side, too. For those that don't know, my setup is still technically WWIV 4.24a with an insane amount of mods and hacks to make all the more modern stuff work.

- Mark
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--- WWIVToss v.1.52
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I'm really excited to give it a try! Have you run it on Linux? I have a spare PI4 sitting in front of me I'm installing tomorrow, and plan on downloading the distro and checking out the changes to WWIV. It'll be a second BBS, new name.

Personally, I have not run any of the modern builds yet. I'm the only one still running a super old 4.24a. Might be the last one on the planet.

I do plan on cloning mine and running the latest just to have a nice blend of the old and new.

If you run into issues, we have an IRC #wwiv channel here: https://venomslair.com/mibbit.php

- Mark
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--- WWIVToss v.1.52
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I'll be diving in starting tomorrow. I think Deon mentioned playing
around with it also. I can say that the "stock" version is not much to
look at from a user prospective, but is mostly true for "most" BBS
systems. I *think* from what I skimmed, it's written in visual C .. which is pretty dang cool -- source code available!? Very cool. So look forward to seeing if I can get it up and running, and just how much customization
I can do. I miss the old WWIV days, so it'll be a "blast from the past" slower project of mine then my current system.

Yes, you can clone the entire source code from GitHub here:

https://github.com/wwivbbs/wwiv

Long ago it was written in Pascal, then C (which is what my old 4.24a system is
written in), and the latest has been ported to C++.

- Mark
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--- WWIVToss v.1.52
* Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (21:1/132.0)

Personally, I have not run any of the modern builds yet. I'm the only
one still running a super old 4.24a. Might be the last one on the
planet.

WOW! I think I ran that version, how old is that version? Maybe I ran 4.23a. Can't remember, it's been 10-20 years. But the modding scene was huge back then and my system was so highly configed, I never ugraded either so don't blame you in the least.

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/05/26 (Windows/64)
* Origin: The Vault BBS (21:4/167)

You can install the linux debian10 binary distribution, but need to rebuild the
binaries on arm/rpi from source to replace them with arm64 binaries instead of the x86 binaries.
I did that and it seemed to work. Haven't figured out how to get doors
to work there though. I run my bbs on linux on a cloud server using the free tier.

Yeah, just installed my PI today and right now need a telescope to see the
text on my 27" monitor .. I'm THAT new to linux. I tried downloading .rar to extract netrunner, and couldn't find a video or text "how to," so .. what you said is a bit foreign to me at this moment. I tried to install docker and
got errors. So ... I may work with the windows build until I"m done taking some free online linux courses. But would like to get it on a PI as a second BBS and not on the same system as my current BBS eventually. Isn't the
debian version 64bit? Would doors work on it anyway? Or are you running it
in a VR box?

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/05/26 (Windows/64)
* Origin: The Vault BBS (21:4/167)

Yes the source is on github.
https://github.com/wwivbbs/wwiv/tree/wwiv55 Is the 5.5 source tree.

Thanks, link saved for the AM!! Pretty stoked to check it out. Hopefully
I'm not too rusty with Turbo C ... is there still an active modding echo on wwivnet and / or group on github?

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/05/26 (Windows/64)
* Origin: The Vault BBS (21:4/167)

I tried downloading .rar to extract netrunner,

It's actually pretty easy to install rar or unrar on linux and I presume (but haven't tried) the Pi.

To get unrar installed simply grab the unrar source from rarlab.com, I think it's in the "extra" area. Extract the tarball somewhere and in that directory type "make", then as root (or use sudo) make install. Done.

You can do the same with rar for linux, just grab the tarball you want and unpack it somewhere and in that directory run as root (or use sudo) make install. There is no source for rar, the binaries are prebuilt. You can just put rar in any directory on your path like /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106.1)

To get unrar installed simply grab the unrar source from rarlab.com, I think it's in the "extra" area. Extract the tarball somewhere and in that directory type "make", then as root (or use sudo) make install. Done.

You need a build environment (gcc and friends) installed to build your own software. In the case of unrar it's probably enough to install the "build-essential" meta package in a debian derived OS.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106.1)

RE: Re: WWIV 5.5
BY: The Godfather(21:4/167)

got errors. So ... I may work with the windows build until I"m done
taking
some free online linux courses. But would like to get it on a PI as a second

Windows build is easiest. If you are on 32-bit windows. Debian10 on a VM is pretty easy too. PI should work but you'll have to rebuild the binaries yourself since we don't produce pre-built ARM binaries.

Also Doors are easy on Win32 (use Netfoss). Possible but harder on Linux x64 (use dosemu, but that's hard on more mondern linux since debian removed it in debian 10. dosemu2 seems like it may be a good path forward on x64, but I'v enot looked at it yet.

I've not figured out getting QEMU working yet, so not sure how to make doors work on arm.

rushfan


--- WWIV 5.5.0.3243
* Origin: Mystic Rhythms BBS (21:2/115)

To get unrar installed simply grab the unrar source from rarlab.com, I think it's in the "extra" area. Extract the tarball somewhere and in
that directory type "make", then as root (or use sudo) make install.

I've only played with Raspberry Pis in passing, but it doesn't have apt or
some other package manager you could use? I was expecting that it'd be, "apt install unrar" (and then "sudo apt install unrar").

I mean, dealing with source code is its own form of entertainment, but I
prefer a package manager when it's an option.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)

Re: Re: WWIV 5.5
By: Al to The Godfather on Sat Sep 05 2020 08:10 pm

It's actually pretty easy to install rar or unrar on linux and I presume

(but haven't tried) the Pi.

To get unrar installed simply grab the unrar source from rarlab.com, I

think it's in the "extra" area. Extract the tarball

somewhere and in that directory type "make", then as root (or use sudo)

make install. Done.

Even easier

apt install unrar-free

:)

...ëîåï

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Re: Re: WWIV 5.5
By: The Godfather to Rushfan on Sun Sep 06 2020 12:00 am

Howdy,

I tried to install docker and got errors.

What errors did you get? Installing is normally straight forward - and I have it on my website:

https://alterant.static.leenooks.net/2018/09/02/docker/

...ëîåï

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I've only played with Raspberry Pis in passing, but it doesn't have apt or some other package manager you could use? I was expecting that it'd be, "apt install unrar" (and then "sudo apt install unrar").

It's been quite a while since I did much with debian so I don't know what that would get you. The last time I used debian that command would get you v1.something really old. There was a newer unrar in the repository if you used a third party site, I used a lot of those at one time.

I mean, dealing with source code is its own form of entertainment, but I prefer a package manager when it's an option.

That is what I did when that option worked. In the case of unrar at least it's really simple, no adjustments to the code are needed. I adjust the makefile to put unrar in /usr/bin but even that isn't really needed. By default it goes into /usr/local/bin and that works just as well.

unrar is a good package to practice on.. from there you can go on to sbbs, mbse, wwiv, magicka, enigma or any number of other things.. :)

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106.1)

Even easier

apt install unrar-free

What version does that get you?

I have rar and unrar 5.91. :)

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106.1)

Re: Re: WWIV 5.5
By: Al to The Godfather on Sat Sep 05 2020 08:10 pm

I tried downloading .rar to extract netrunner,

It's actually pretty easy to install rar or unrar on linux and I presume (bu haven't tried) the Pi.

To get unrar installed simply grab the unrar source from rarlab.com, I think it's in the "extra" area. Extract the tarball somewhere and in that director type "make", then as root (or use sudo) make install. Done.

You can do the same with rar for linux, just grab the tarball you want and unpack it somewhere and in that directory run as root (or use sudo) make install. There is no source for rar, the binaries are prebuilt. You can just put rar in any directory on your path like /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin.

As far as I know, he can just install 7z, which is able to extract rar
archives and is available in most repositories.

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Re: Re: WWIV 5.5
By: Al to alterego on Sun Sep 06 2020 12:46 am

What version does that get you?
I have rar and unrar 5.91. :)

deon@p-1-1:~ $ unrar -V
unrar 0.0.1

I dont use rar much, but when I've needed to open up a rar file its seems to always work...

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What errors did you get? Installing is normally straight forward - and I have it on my website:

As for Docker, honestly, I'll have to go back and replicate the error. I
was using VNC and it was so slow I was getting annoyed, so saw the error
pop up and decided to spend time outside with the family. This was my
4gb PI4. I have yet to install my 8gb PI4, which I hope is
faster using VNC. Either way, I'll watch some videos.

I just watched a linux basic command line video that I've now bookmarked
that is incredibly helpful. Very simlilar but more powerful then DOS,
but any differences I preferred and really liked the power of .. so I
should be just fine there.

As for RAR, I'm still not fully understanding how to get RAR working.
While I appreciate everyones suggestions, I am new to Linux, so
basically what I did was went to the official freeRAR site,
downloaded it for linux, and it's sitting in it's original downloaded
singular file on my PI right now. I'll research the "how to's" of the
advice given, and go from there. Thanks again for everyones input.

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)

As far as I know, he can just install 7z, which is able to extract rar archives and is available in most repositories.

What is 7z? The basic compression utility that comes with Raspbian
does not recognize RAR files, so I figured I had to download and instal
RAR. It seems overly complicated to simply install a software package,
but I did read in the readme.txt file that for linux it's only a
command line compression utility(?) so I suppose the complexity of
binaries come into play.

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)

WOW! I think I ran that version, how old is that version? Maybe I ran 4.23a. Can't remember, it's been 10-20 years. But the modding scene was huge back then and my system was so highly configed, I never ugraded
either so don't blame you in the least.

Older than dirt. :) Honestly, I have been running it so long I can't remember. Mine has also been source code modded beyond recognition over the years. I still do a Borland C compile now and then if I want to make any changes.

I do plan to run the latest version also, but it will be side by side. Sort of
like having a classic car and modern car. I like them both for different reasons.

- Mark
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--- WWIVToss v.1.52
* Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (21:1/132.0)

I'll be diving in starting tomorrow. I think Deon mentioned playing around with it also. I can say that the "stock" version is not much to look at from a user prospective, but is mostly true for "most" BBS systems. I *think* from what I skimmed, it's written in visual C ..
which is pretty dang cool -- source code available!? Very cool. So
look forward to seeing if I can get it up and running, and just how much customization I can do. I miss the old WWIV days, so it'll be a "blast from the past" slower project of mine then my current system.

-tG

I really don't like how they implement the use of the WWIV user to run the
bbs. Under linux, you have to load that WWIV user in a weird way, to even get in... I dislike thatbit, but I do like the WWIV feel- even if it is 'old' by todays standards... IMO, thats the draw of WWIV. I've jumped onto the
WWIVNet, and the community of current WWIV bbses and their net is pretty
nice. I like it... and the reason I like it IS because it has that old WWIV feel...

But that user under linux.. suck.



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--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: American Pi BBS (21:2/150)

This is awesome. WWIV was my gateway drug to being a sysop. In the mid 90's it is what everyone ran in my network, before we disovered forum hacks.

I remember all the WWIV boards, too... then Telegard/Renegade came.



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--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Raspberry Pi/32)
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On 05 Sep 2020, Al said the following...

I tried downloading .rar to extract netrunner,

It's actually pretty easy to install rar or unrar on linux and I presume (but haven't tried) the Pi.

To get unrar installed simply grab the unrar source from rarlab.com, I think it's in the "extra" area. Extract the tarball somewhere and in
that directory type "make", then as root (or use sudo) make install.
Done.

You can do the same with rar for linux, just grab the tarball you want
and unpack it somewhere and in that directory run as root (or use sudo) make install. There is no source for rar, the binaries are prebuilt. You can just put rar in any directory on your path like /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin.

Or, under raspberry pi os/ubuntu, just type sudo apt-get install unrar



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--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: American Pi BBS (21:2/150)

On 06 Sep 2020, Adept said the following...

To get unrar installed simply grab the unrar source from rarlab.com, think it's in the "extra" area. Extract the tarball somewhere and in that directory type "make", then as root (or use sudo) make install.

I've only played with Raspberry Pis in passing, but it doesn't have apt
or some other package manager you could use? I was expecting that it'd
be, "apt install unrar" (and then "sudo apt install unrar").

I mean, dealing with source code is its own form of entertainment, but I prefer a package manager when it's an option.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Storm BBS (21:2/108)

Pi's use apt



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--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: American Pi BBS (21:2/150)

Thanks, link saved for the AM!! Pretty stoked to check it out. Hopefully I'm not too rusty with Turbo C ... is there still an active modding echo
on wwivnet and / or group on github?

The GitHub repository is here: https://github.com/wwivbbs/wwiv

You can use GitHub Desktop and clone or fork the repository. The pre-compiled builds are all on wwivbbs.org. It is written in C++ these days, but my old classic is still the old "C".

- Mark
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On 06 Sep 2020, Weatherman said the following...

the years. I still do a Borland C compile now and then if I want to
make any changes.

I remember starting the compile process before I went to school in the
morning and it being done mid-afternoon. I think nine hours if I remember
right on my 386sx.

- Andre

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Runaan BBS (21:3/117)

You can do the same with rar for linux, just grab the tarball you want and >> unpack it somewhere and in that directory run as root (or use sudo) make
install. There is no source for rar, the binaries are prebuilt. You can just >> put rar in any directory on your path like /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin.

As far as I know, he can just install 7z, which is able to extract rar archives and is available in most repositories.

There is an unrar also in the rar tarballs, so it's not hard to get a hold of.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106.1)

What version does that get you?
I have rar and unrar 5.91. :)

deon@p-1-1:~ $ unrar -V
unrar 0.0.1

That's an odd looking version number. I wonder if that is different from the unrar provided by the rar folks at rarlab.com?

I dont use rar much, but when I've needed to open up a rar file its seems to always work...

That's the important part, that you can get the stuff out of rar archives.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106.1)

Or, under raspberry pi os/ubuntu, just type sudo apt-get install unrar

I don't know what that will get you. Do you know what version of unrar that is.
It doesn't need to be new, I don't think the rar archive format has changed in a long time. We just need an unrar that works.

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WWIV 5.5 Prerelease (5.5.0)

@wwiv wwiv released this 4 days ago - 1 commit to wwiv55 since this release We are happy to announce a prerelease of WWIV 5.5 is available as the stable re lease of WWIV BBS for Linux and Windows.

WWIV 5.5 is the 5th major release after the long-awaited 5.0 release and in add ition to native WWIVnet support (no more DOS dependencies) on all platforms, supports native Fido Technology Networking (FTN) Support. Also has internal full screen message editor.

System Requirements:
Win32: Windows 7 or later using MS Visual C++ 2019 Community Edition.
Linux: GCC 8.3 (or later) on (Debian10, Centos7 with SCL, or Ubuntu)
CMake 3.13 or newer

Home Page: https://www.wwivbbs.org/
For detailed release notes, see here: https://github.com/wwivbbs/wwiv/releases /tag/wwiv_5.5.0
   
--- WWIVToss v.1.52
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Wow! Wildcat is back! Hooray for old bbs software.

$ The Millionaire $

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Re: Re: WWIV 5.5
By: The Godfather to Arelor on Sun Sep 06 2020 12:41 pm

As far as I know, he can just install 7z, which is able to extract rar archives and is available in most repositories.

What is 7z? The basic compression utility that comes with Raspbian
does not recognize RAR files, so I figured I had to download and instal
RAR. It seems overly complicated to simply install a software package,
but I did read in the readme.txt file that for linux it's only a
command line compression utility(?) so I suppose the complexity of
binaries come into play.

-tG

7z is a compression format/tool. It often comes with unrar capability.

Seriously, the main issue here is having things distributed in RAR instead of easily recognizeable archive formats.

Installing somethign in raspbian is usually as easy as #apt-get install whatever


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RE: Re: WWIV 5.5
BY: paulie420(21:2/150)

I really don't like how they implement the use of the WWIV user to run
the
bbs. Under linux, you have to load that WWIV user in a weird way, to
even get

You mean using a dedicated locked user for the BBS? That's mainly there to ensure that if someone got out and a shell, it's harder to get a root shell.

Or were you talking about installing in /home/wwiv vs. somewhere else like /opt/wwiv?

Just curious.

-rushfan


--- WWIV 5.5.0.3243
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RE: Re: WWIV 5.5
BY: Arelor(21:2/138)

Seriously, the main issue here is having things distributed in RAR
instead of
easily recognizeable archive formats.

RAR is for netrunner. WWIV comes in a .tar.gz format on Linux at the moment. In order to do a .deb package or .rpm need to install to some place that's more
linux like (/opt/wwiv for example)

rushfan


--- WWIV 5.5.0.3243
* Origin: Mystic Rhythms BBS (21:2/115)

You mean using a dedicated locked user for the BBS? That's mainly there to ensure that if someone got out and a shell, it's harder to get a root shell.

I figured it out... I can just login to the WWIV user liike normal; upon install, it told me to do a shell to that user, which was just a weird way of doing it - I forget the exact syntax but it was like sudo su -u WWIV blah
blah, which put me in a shell of the WWIV user.

I see, now, that I can just login as the WWIV user like normal.



|07p|15AULIE|1142|07o
|08.........

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: American Pi BBS (21:2/150)

I remember starting the compile process before I went to school in the morning and it being done mid-afternoon. I think nine hours if I remember right on my 386sx.

Wow, I don't remember it taking that long. Doing a "Build All" did take some time. These days, it takes until 2 minutes.

- Mark
ÿÿÿ
--- WWIVToss v.1.52
* Origin: http://www.weather-station.org * Bel Air, MD -USA (21:1/132.0)

Wow, I don't remember it taking that long. Doing a "Build All" did take some time. These days, it takes until 2 minutes.

Speaking of builds ...

I forked the repository for the windows version in git, cloned the
repository, it's on my hard drive, pull up in VS, select the folder,
nothing shows and the build menu icons are not active for me to
compile. Did I miss a step? Just wanting to get everything set up to
begin modding, but for now a basic compiled version of WWIV to get it
working first. Well, both a working compiler, and a working stock WWIV
(hope I'm making sense ..)

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)

RE: Re: WWIV 5.5
BY: The Godfather(21:1/165)

I forked the repository for the windows version in git, cloned the repository, it's on my hard drive, pull up in VS, select the folder, nothing shows and the build menu icons are not active for me to

What version of visual studio? I had that happen to me on a newer build of visual studio with cmake integration. It's a regression there. I stuck on 16.5.5.

Rushfan


--- WWIV 5.5.0.3243
* Origin: Mystic Rhythms BBS (21:2/115)

What version of visual studio? I had that happen to me on a newer build of visual studio with cmake integration. It's a regression there. I
stuck on 16.5.5.

It's 16.7.2 so apparently thats the issue? My "ready" status at the
bottom left corner is like the spinning wheel of blue death. It states
that projects are loaded and ready to use, but that extensions are
"loading." Has been for some time. I've just left it in the
background thinking this is one slow a$$ process.

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)

What version of visual studio? I had that happen to me on a newer build of visual studio with cmake integration. It's a regression there. I
stuck on 16.5.5.

I saw your comments and solutions on github. If you could reply to me
there with the "how to" for your solution, I'd sincerely appreciate it.
I'm using the desktop version of VS, so unclear how to apply the two corrections.

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)

RE: Re: WWIV 5.5
BY: The Godfather(21:1/165)

It's 16.7.2 so apparently thats the issue? My "ready" status at the
bottom left corner is like the spinning wheel of blue death. It states that projects are loaded and ready to use, but that extensions are "loading." Has been for some time. I've just left it in the
background thinking this is one slow a$$ process.

I found some info from MS ina bug report that pointed me in the right place, and I changed the cmakesettings.json file to stop causing this to reproduce.

A git pull will pull down the fix.

https://github.com/wwivbbs/wwiv/issues/1268 Has more details. Also can just edit the cmakesettings.json file to remove the two objects that have WSL in it.

Happy to be back to the most recent version of Visual Studio 2019 preview.

-rushfan


--- WWIV 5.5.0.3243
* Origin: Mystic Rhythms BBS (21:2/115)

RE: Re: WWIV 5.5
BY: The Godfather(21:1/165)

I saw your comments and solutions on github. If you could reply to me there with the "how to" for your solution, I'd sincerely appreciate it.
I'm using the desktop version of VS, so unclear how to apply the two corrections.

I added a link to github desktop's help site: https://docs.github.com/en/desktop/contributing-and-collaborating-using-github-desktop/keeping-your-local-repository-in-sync-with-github

I think that's all you need to do. I don't use the desktop, it was harder for me to figure out than just using the command line tools.

rushfan


--- WWIV 5.5.0.3243
* Origin: Mystic Rhythms BBS (21:2/115)

I added a link to github desktop's help site: https://docs.github.com/en/desktop/contributing-and-collaborating-using-gi esktop/keeping-your-local-repository-in-sync-with-github

Thank you! I'll try it out after dinner this evening!

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)

As far as I know, he can just install 7z, which is able to
extract rar archives and is available in most repositories.

What is 7z? The basic compression utility that comes with
Raspbian does not recognize RAR files, so I figured I had to

7zip is quite good at extracting almost everything

Packing / unpacking: 7z, XZ, BZIP2, GZIP, TAR, ZIP and WIM

Unpacking only:
AR, ARJ, CAB, CHM, CPIO, CramFS, DMG, EXT, FAT, GPT, HFS, IHEX, ISO, LZH,
LZMA, MBR, MSI, NSIS, NTFS, QCOW2, RAR, RPM, SquashFS, UDF, UEFI, VDI,
VHD, VMDK, WIM, XAR and Z.

You better get used to command line with linux ;) its powerful and a
curse sometimes. i use my raspberry headless everywhere. just via ssh connection with a terminal. no vnc, no graphical interface. for quick navigation or easier file operations i often use midnight commander btw.

on the raspberry pi command line interface:

sudo apt install p7zip-full
sudo apt install mc

to install it.

Mindsurfer

--- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/armv7l)
* Origin: FuNToPia telnet://funtopia.ddnss.eu:2023 (21:3/119)

7zip is quite good at extracting almost everything
Packing / unpacking: 7z, XZ, BZIP2, GZIP, TAR, ZIP and WIM
Unpacking only:
AR, ARJ, CAB, CHM, CPIO, CramFS, DMG, EXT, FAT, GPT, HFS, IHEX, ISO, LZH, LZMA, MBR, MSI, NSIS, NTFS, QCOW2, RAR, RPM, SquashFS, UDF, UEFI, VDI, VHD, VMDK, WIM, XAR and Z.

I did not know this :) I'll install now !

You better get used to command line with linux ;) its powerful and a
curse sometimes. i use my raspberry headless everywhere. just via ssh connection with a terminal. no vnc, no graphical interface. for quick navigation or easier file operations i often use midnight commander btw.

I will for sure .. the GUI interface via VNC is extremely slow. Is
there an advantage to using puddy or how do you connect via terminal to
your headless pi? the one I just installed is headless and connected
directly to the router, I plan on installing pihole for that pi. Once
I get all of that done, I have the new pi4 8gb, that I plan to use as
my "desktop" .. and I did watch a video on the "basics of linux command
lines," and Docker .. both were very easy to understand .. theres
always a learning curve, but already much more appealing then powershell
/ dos.

on the raspberry pi command line interface:

sudo apt install p7zip-full
sudo apt install mc
to install it.

Mindsurfer, you rock, thank you kindly!

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)

As for Docker, honestly, I'll have to go back and replicate the error. I was using VNC and it was so slow I was getting annoyed, so saw the error pop up and decided to spend time outside with the family. This was my
4gb PI4. I have yet to install my 8gb PI4, which I hope is faster
using VNC. Either way, I'll watch some videos.

Ponder, I've found VNC is more reliant on network speed than anything else, what kind of NIC's do you have, and does network speed seem ok otherwise? I don't have a lot of grunt running what VNC action I have going, admittedly
the sabretooth server end is an 8 core AMD FX chipset..so that does have some grunt, also running Gb Nic, and the client end is a rather old Core2 Quad
Core. Performace out of this lot is acceptable, over Fast or Gb ethernet.

Spec

--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: Scrawled in haste at The Lower Planes (21:3/101)

there an advantage to using puddy or how do you connect via
terminal to your headless pi?

putty is ok if you are on windows. i am on linux and use putty as well
(because i was used to it from windows before i switched to linux on
desktop). My linux mint comes with gnome terminal. i use that to connect
to my bbs raspberry currently. i think every terminal program will do.

are you familar with the linux file permission system yet?

Mindsurfer

--- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/armv7l)
* Origin: FuNToPia telnet://funtopia.ddnss.eu:2023 (21:3/119)

Generic reply...

are you familar with the linux file permission system yet?

If you have trouble getting your head around chmod 665 and such.. you can always use chmod ugoa +wr where the you can use any of the letters ugoa for user, group, owner, and all and the + or - with RWX for read write and execute permissions.

Spec


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: Scrawled in haste at The Lower Planes (21:3/101)

Hello The!

** On Tuesday 08.09.20 - 20:29, The Godfather wrote to Mindsurfer:

.. the GUI interface via VNC is extremely slow...

I use VNC to reach another networked PC and control things on
it. It seems pretty snappy to me, and I use the default
settings. You can adjust the quality of VNC graphics to speed
things up if you don't need full colour.




--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)

On 08 Sep 2020, The Godfather said the following...

I will for sure .. the GUI interface via VNC is extremely slow. Is

If you're trying to view a linux desktop on a Windows machine with VNC, you might also try installing/running xrdp on the linux machine. I've had a lot
of luck with it. The client on thye Windows side is the built-in Windows
Remote Desktop client - in the search bar just type "remote" and you should
see it.

Jeff.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Atari TI-99 TRS-80
-+- Cold War Computing -+- Apple II PDP-8 Commodore -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Sinclair PDP-11 System/370

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Perceptronica (21:1/180)

On 09 Sep 2020, Jeff said the following...

On 08 Sep 2020, The Godfather said the following...

I will for sure .. the GUI interface via VNC is extremely slow. Is

If you're trying to view a linux desktop on a Windows machine with VNC, you might also try installing/running xrdp on the linux machine. I've

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned using X Forwarding over SSH. Super secure, and very retro (like running a BBS).

A good reference is at: https://kb.iu.edu/d/bdnt

- Andre

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Runaan BBS (21:3/117)

On 10 Sep 2020, Andre said the following...

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned using X Forwarding over SSH.
Super secure, and very retro (like running a BBS).

Hey Andre,
Yeah, I definitely use ssh -X for linux-to-linux stuff. Do you know of a good Windows X client? I used to use Hummingbird a lot when I worked with VAXes
and Aplhas, but that was quite some time ago.

Jeff.
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Atari TI-99 TRS-80
-+- Cold War Computing -+- Apple II PDP-8 Commodore -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Sinclair PDP-11 System/370

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Perceptronica (21:1/180)

are you familar with the linux file permission system yet?

Nope, not yet. I'm familiar with permissions on windows so grasp the
concept, but am not familiar with it within linux.

i installed p7zip .. i'm trying to use it to unrar netrunner. so far
no go .. any tips? the command line states:

p7zip -d filenametounzip

am I missing a step?

Thanks for everyones help. I'd reply with a thank you to everyone but
would spam the feed.

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)

I use VNC to reach another networked PC and control things on
it. It seems pretty snappy to me, and I use the default
settings. You can adjust the quality of VNC graphics to speed
things up if you don't need full colour.

Thanks for the tip; I just found a video on how to adjust the
resolution which should help the desktop size :)

PS -- I did not get your netmail. I'm not sure why? I checked my in
directory everywhere .. nothing pending mailin either.

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)

On 10 Sep 2020, The Godfather said the following...

i installed p7zip .. i'm trying to use it to unrar netrunner. so far
no go .. any tips? the command line states:

p7zip -d filenametounzip

I just tried:

7z x ./nr20b18l.rar

And got a bunch of errors.


This did work for me though:

sudo apt install unrar-free
unrar -x ./nr20b18l.rar

unrar 0.0.1 Copyright (C) 2004 Ben Asselstine, Jeroen Dekkers

Extracting from /tmp/nr20b18l.rar

All OK


Jay

... Why should you never breakup with a goalie? Because he's a keeper.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)

On 10 Sep 2020, Warpslide said the following...

This did work for me though:

sudo apt install unrar-free
unrar -x ./nr20b18l.rar

Scratch that, it did "extract" everything, but it sees all the files as directories. I'm wondering what g00r00 is using to make this rar archive? I was able to extract it ok on my Mac. Maybe just extract it on another
computer and just zip it back up?


pi@bbs:/tmp $ 7z -trar x ./nr20b18l.rar

7-Zip [32] 16.02 : Copyright (c) 1999-2016 Igor Pavlov : 2016-05-21
p7zip Version 16.02 (locale=en_CA.UTF-8,Utf16=on,HugeFiles=on,32 bits,4 CPUs LE)

Scanning the drive for archives:
1 file, 118065 bytes (116 KiB)

Extracting archive: ./nr20b18l.rar
--
Path = ./nr20b18l.rar
Type = Rar
Physical Size = 118065
Solid = -
Blocks = 7
Multivolume = -
Volumes = 1

ERROR: Unsupported Method : whatsnew.txt
ERROR: Unsupported Method : netrunner
ERROR: Unsupported Method : test.scr
ERROR: Unsupported Method : file_id.diz
ERROR: Unsupported Method : netrunner.ini
ERROR: Unsupported Method : netrunner.manual.txt
ERROR: Unsupported Method : netrunner.icn

Sub items Errors: 7

Archives with Errors: 1

Sub items Errors: 7


Jay

... A Chinese restaurant got vandalized. It was an act of wonton destruction.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)

i installed p7zip .. i'm trying to use it to unrar netrunner. so
far no go .. any tips? the command line states:
p7zip -d filenametounzip
am I missing a step?

it is 7z e archive.xyz
or 7z x archive.xyz (if you want to preserve the path inside the archive)
just 7z without parameters gives out a help text.

Usage: 7z <command> [<switches>...] <archive_name> [<file_names>...]
[<@listfiles...>]

Mindsurfer

--- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/armv7l)
* Origin: FuNToPia telnet://funtopia.ddnss.eu:2023 (21:3/119)

Nope, not yet. I'm familiar with permissions on windows so grasp
the concept, but am not familiar with it within linux.

you have read, write and execution rights for owner, group and everyone
else represented by numbers read=4, write=2, execute=1

to change a file xyz to have read write and execute rights for everyone
your would do
chmod 777 filename
7 (4+2+1) for owner
7 (4+2+1) for group
7 (4+2+1) for everyone else

so to give owner read/write, group read and everyone else read only you
would do

chmode 644 filename


you can play around a little by just creating an empty file with
touch testfile.txt

there is also a different way to quickly give a file execution rights for example

chmod +x filename

to list the files in your current directory you can do
ls
or
ls -la (to see a more complete listing with file permissions, group, user
etc)

Mindsurfer

--- MagickaBBS v0.15alpha (Linux/armv7l)
* Origin: FuNToPia telnet://funtopia.ddnss.eu:2023 (21:3/119)

On 10/09/2020 10:13 a.m., The Godfather wrote:

PS -- I did not get your netmail. I'm not sure why? I
checked my in directory everywhere.. nothing pending
mailin either.

Very strange. I crashed them to your system.

I should still have copies. I may have used your aliases.
Shall I use email?
--- SBBSecho 3.11-Linux
* Origin: End Of The Line BBS - endofthelinebbs.com (21:2/101)

On 10 Sep 2020, August Abolins said the following...

Very strange. I crashed them to your system.

I should still have copies. I may have used your aliases.
Shall I use email?

Check for a packet in your unsecure directory.

Jay

... Why do hamburgers go to the gym? To get better buns.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: Northern Realms (21:3/110)

sudo apt install unrar-free
unrar -x ./nr20b18l.rar

Thanks Jay that worked. I appreciate the tutoring :)

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)

to change a file xyz to have read write and execute rights for everyone your would do
chmod 777 filename
7 (4+2+1) for owner
7 (4+2+1) for group
7 (4+2+1) for everyone else

Saving this message, thanks again for the help!

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)

I should still have copies. I may have used your aliases.
Shall I use email?

alias would be The Godfather, or Doug Cooper, or Sysop, all should work
and reach me .. let me know when you try again and I'll dig around my
logs and look for it.

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)

Check for a packet in your unsecure directory.
Jay

I had .. nothing was there.

-tG

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/08/26 (Windows/32)
* Origin: The Underground ~ www.theunderground.us:10023 (21:1/165)

Hello The!

** On Thursday 10.09.20 - 16:13, The Godfather wrote to August Abolins:

.. let me know when you try again and I'll dig around my
logs and look for it.

Can you find these (from newest to oldest):

To: The Godfather @ 21:1/165
From: Ogg @ 21:4/106.21 (The Rusty Mailbox BBS, Penticton CAN)
Subject: booksales online..
Software: OpenXP/5.0.45 (Win32)
Date: We 19.08.20, 22:31
Size: 3551 Bytes
EDA: 20200820023100S-4
MID: 21:4/106.21@fsxnet e7967ef7
BEZ: 21:1/165 99896ff2
ORG: /|ug's Point


To: The Godfather @ 21:1/165
From: Ogg @ 21:4/106.21 (The Rusty Mailbox BBS, Penticton CAN)
Subject: ..prior to all of this stuff hitting
Software: OpenXP/5.0.45 (Win32)
Date: Mo 27.07.20, 08:46
Size: 6275 Bytes
EDA: 20200727124600S-4
MID: 21:4/106.21@fsxnet e6d5a30d
BEZ: 21:1/165 7567b7cc
ORG: /|ug's Point


To: doug cooper @ 1:227/702
From: August Abolins @ 2:221/1.58 (RBB, Ylojarvi)
Subject: Re: Hello, welcome, and w
Software: OpenXP/5.0.44 (Win32)
Date: Sa 30.05.20, 22:42
Size: 2188 Bytes
EDA: 20200531024200S-4
MID: 2:221/1.58@fidonet e4eb5c49
BEZ: 1:227/702 28275459



--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.46
* Origin: (} Pointy McPointFace (21:4/106.21)

I use VNC to reach another networked PC and control things on
it. It seems pretty snappy to me, and I use the default
settings. You can adjust the quality of VNC graphics to speed things up if you don't need full colour.

Thanks for the tip; I just found a video on how to adjust the
resolution which should help the desktop size :)

PS -- I did not get your netmail. I'm not sure why? I checked my in directory everywhere .. nothing pending mailin either.
-tG

Gooj job, tG... you can get that VNC screen exactly as if you were sitting there, full res and full screen - or drop it down like Ogg suggested, for
some speed. I like working @ the command line much better, so I hardly use
VNC at all. My goto is SSH (You can even tunnel x11[graphical] apps thru SSH
is needed!) which is how I hop around all my systems at home. I use key's instead of passwords... so after a little bit of setup, I never have to type
in passwords either.



|07p|15AULIE|1142|07o
|08.........

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: American Pi BBS (21:2/150)

it is 7z e archive.xyz
or 7z x archive.xyz (if you want to preserve the path inside the archive) just 7z without parameters gives out a help text.

For .RAR;

I like unrar or unrar-free for the command line.
I like ARK for GUI... it seems to handle everything.

Some GUI archivers only support .ZIP/.ARJ/the basic ones, unless you install more dependancies to handle other file types. ARK just seems to do anything I throw at it straight away.

Do remember that if you're getting errors, as frustrating as it may seem ATM, yer system is just missing something it needs. While compiling Syncterm, I
used to FREAK out until I learned that it needs 'build-essential', libncurses5-dev libncurses5w-dev and sdl dependancies - once you feed the system everything it needs to do the tasks your trying to do - boom, success comes out the other end.



|07p|15AULIE|1142|07o
|08.........

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: American Pi BBS (21:2/150)

PS -- I did not get your netmail. I'm not sure why? I
checked my in directory everywhere.. nothing pending
mailin either.

Very strange. I crashed them to your system.
I should still have copies. I may have used your aliases.
Shall I use email?

You know, I've been sending netmail to 'the godfather', too... are you
getting them tG?! Lol.. that would suck, as I've sent you tons of replies.
LOL.



|07p|15AULIE|1142|07o
|08.........

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Raspberry Pi/32)
* Origin: American Pi BBS (21:2/150)

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned using X Forwarding over SSH. Super

Was never a big fan of X. In the past VNC was always one of the most painless things to install. I've only ever used them over local network though so not much need for SSH. Always seemed to complicated getting SSH working as a wrapper, but I haven't looked at it in over 20 years I s'pose.. might be a bit easier by now :)

Spec


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: Scrawled in haste at The Lower Planes (21:3/101)

7z x ./nr20b18l.rar
And got a bunch of errors.

This did work for me though:
sudo apt install unrar-free unrar -x ./nr20b18l.rar

That right there screams of either permissions or ownership problem with the file. Not much you can't do with the root account, which is what sudo is doing for you.

Rule of a strange thumb, system installs, will often require su or sudo to complete. Other progs you ought to be able to drop in your home directory, make sure you own it... if you don't sudo chown me.me some.file and you should be good to go...

Spec


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- SuperBBS v1.17-3 (Eval)
* Origin: Scrawled in haste at The Lower Planes (21:3/101)

On 09-10-20 05:30, Andre wrote to Jeff <=-

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned using X Forwarding over SSH.
Super secure, and very retro (like running a BBS).

That's what I use here. Works well, but the downside is anything that disrupts the session will take down all of the X clients, unlike VNC, where all that happens is you get disconnected from the remote desktop, but everything keeps running.

But SSH X forwarding here does allow me to run apps on the Linux box at the other end of the house via the X server on the Windows desktop here. :)


... Law of Supply: It's yours if you don't need nor want it.
=== MultiMail/Win v0.51
--- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux
* Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)

On 09-10-20 08:51, Jeff wrote to Andre <=-

On 10 Sep 2020, Andre said the following...

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned using X Forwarding over SSH.
Super secure, and very retro (like running a BBS).

Hey Andre,
Yeah, I definitely use ssh -X for linux-to-linux stuff. Do you know of
a good Windows X client? I used to use Hummingbird a lot when I worked with VAXes and Aplhas, but that was quite some time ago.

I think you mean X server. I'm using Xming here. :)


... Your body must be screaming out for balanced whole nutrients.
=== MultiMail/Win v0.51
--- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux
* Origin: Freeway BBS Bendigo,Australia freeway.apana.org.au (21:1/109)

Hello paulie420!

** On Thursday 10.09.20 - 15:24, paulie420 wrote to August Abolins:

PS -- I did not get your netmail. I'm not sure why? I
checked my in directory everywhere.. nothing pending
mailin either.

Very strange. I crashed them to your system.
I should still have copies. I may have used your aliases.
Shall I use email?

You know, I've been sending netmail to 'the godfather', too... are you getting them tG?! Lol.. that would suck, as I've sent you tons of replies. LOL.

That would explain why tG seemed to be so silent? I didn't
think that Doug would ignore us all just like that. ;) But
then again, he does get called to many other "projects".


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Jeff wrote to Andre <=-

Yeah, I definitely use ssh -X for linux-to-linux stuff. Do you know of
a good Windows X client?

I've been looking for a replacement for Putty; MobaXterm is free
for personal use and looks like it has X built-in. I have a couple of
headless boxes running desktop linux and am looking for a way to deal
with them remotely.




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Spectre wrote to Andre <=-

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned using X Forwarding over SSH. Super

Was never a big fan of X. In the past VNC was always one of the most painless things to install. I've only ever used them over local
network though so not much need for SSH.

UltraVNC did encryption and local Windows user accounts, and did the
trick for me for years. I'm using an old program called Famatech
Remote administrator that I've used on my BBS for 20 years; over a
LAN it gives Remote Desktop-level response, and it's encrypted for
use over the internet.

I originally bought it for a company when running Windows 2000
servers, they didn't roll out Remote Desktop until Server 2002.

It's still sold now.



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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned using X Forwarding over SSH. Super secure, and very retro (like running a BBS).

That's what I use here. Works well, but the downside is anything that disrupts the session will take down all of the X clients, unlike VNC, where all that happens is you get disconnected from the remote desktop, but everything keeps running.

Hmmm.. while I've used X forwarding in the past, I never thought of its use
for the BBS.

Makes sense tho, to 'run' the app on my laptop screen instead of just viewing PS on some command line....

Does it have to remain open (viewed) on the end computer, or will it remain open if that computer closes tho... for me, it might not be the best.



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On 10/09/2020 10:13 a.m., The Godfather wrote:

I use VNC to reach another networked PC and control
things on it. It seems pretty snappy to me, and I use the
default settings. You can adjust the quality of VNC
graphics to speed things up if you don't need full
colour.

Thanks for the tip; I just found a video on how to adjust
the resolution which should help the desktop size

I actually have a gigabit switch and pcs with gigabit adapters.
So, the response seems very good.

I may have tweaked things a bit down a few years ago, though.
These are my current settings to one particular pc at the other
end of my long counter:

http://pics.rsh.ru/img/vnc-config_b00ci5j2.jpg
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On 10 Sep 2020, The Godfather said the following...

to change a file xyz to have read write and execute rights for everyo your would do
chmod 777 filename
7 (4+2+1) for owner
7 (4+2+1) for group
7 (4+2+1) for everyone else

Saving this message, thanks again for the help!

Another really good tool to use in a command-line environment is screen. It runs on the linux side and should be available in just about every linux repository.

It does a few really cool things:
1. It lets you have multiple virtual terminalswithin a single terminal
session, so that you can have multiple things going on and switch between them using hotkeys. For example, I'll often have a text editor open in one virtual terminal where I'm editing a script, and a command prompt in another virtual terminal, where I test the script, without having to exit the editor every time.

2. If the connection is lost, the virtual terminals don't close. Instead,
they just get "disconnected" from an actual terminal. Whatever's going on in the virtual terminals keeps running, and you can "reconnect" the screen
session from another terminal later.

3. The same concept for item 2 can be used deliberately. For example, I run
the BBS server in a screen session. When I'm done interacting with it, I just disconnect the screen session and the BBS keeps on running. When I need to interact with the BBS server again, I just reconnect the screen session to a terminal and there it is, just like I left it. If I'm working on something
and have several virtual terminals open in a screen session, but then it's dinnertime or whatever, I just close the terminal window and reconnect the screen session later, and things are just as I left them.

And that's just the features that I find most useful. It has a little bit of
a learning curve, manipulating screen sessions and navigating virtual terminals, but I think it's well worth it if you're using the command line a lot.

Jeff.
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On 11 Sep 20 06:59:00, Poindexter Fortran said the following to Spectre:

trick for me for years. I'm using an old program called Famatech
Remote administrator that I've used on my BBS for 20 years; over a
LAN it gives Remote Desktop-level response, and it's encrypted for
use over the internet.

Famatech is used on two W2K boxes at a customer of mine's.... voicemail and routing for a legacy phone system.

Atreyu

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On 09-11-20 07:06, paulie420 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Hmmm.. while I've used X forwarding in the past, I never thought of its use for the BBS.

Makes sense tho, to 'run' the app on my laptop screen instead of just viewing PS on some command line....

I usually use the command line for most things.

Does it have to remain open (viewed) on the end computer, or will it remain open if that computer closes tho... for me, it might not be the best.

If you close the X server end (i.e. the computer you're viewing it on), it will terminate the app.


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On 10 Sep 2020, Jeff said the following...

Yeah, I definitely use ssh -X for linux-to-linux stuff. Do you know of a good Windows X client? I used to use Hummingbird a lot when I worked
with VAXes and Aplhas, but that was quite some time ago.

I'm afraid I don't. I just switched from linux and/or mac to Win10 for the first time since 1998, so I'm unsure of a good X client.

I do really dislike vnc, so if I had to suffer with it I'd find a good X Windows client, but I never really need it.

- Andre

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On 11 Sep 2020, Spectre said the following...

though so not much need for SSH. Always seemed to complicated getting
SSH working as a wrapper, but I haven't looked at it in over 20 years I s'pose.. might be a bit easier by now :)

Depends on the client. Linux is obviously dead simple and works out of the
box. Mac worked well until recently, but I think XQuartz or something like
that works well enough, and once installed is really easy to use. No idea on The Windows side yet.


- Andre

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On 11 Sep 2020, Vk3jed said the following...

That's what I use here. Works well, but the downside is anything that disrupts the session will take down all of the X clients, unlike VNC,

I've never tried it that I recall, but what about running it from inside of 'screen'? Would solve that problem, and I don't see why it wouldn't work off the top of my head.

- Andre

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On 09-12-20 20:29, Andre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

On 11 Sep 2020, Vk3jed said the following...

That's what I use here. Works well, but the downside is anything that disrupts the session will take down all of the X clients, unlike VNC,

I've never tried it that I recall, but what about running it from
inside of 'screen'? Would solve that problem, and I don't see why it wouldn't work off the top of my head.

Hmm, I'm still sure the X client will die when it loses connection with the server.


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Re: Re: WWIV 5.5
By: Andre to Vk3jed on Sat Sep 12 2020 08:29 pm

That's what I use here. Works well, but the downside is anything
that disrupts the session will take down all of the X clients,
unlike VNC,

I've never tried it that I recall, but what about running it from inside of 'screen'? Would solve that problem, and I don't see why it wouldn't work off the top of my head.

Try X2Go. Uses X over SSH but keeps the session much like RDP.
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I forked the repository for the windows version in git, cloned the repository, it's on my hard drive, pull up in VS, select the folder, nothing shows and the build menu icons are not active for me to
compile. Did I miss a step? Just wanting to get everything set up to
begin modding, but for now a basic compiled version of WWIV to get it working first. Well, both a working compiler, and a working stock WWIV (hope I'm making sense ..)

Rushfan has builds auto-generated via Jenkins. The build machines run on my server at home and then I believe get uploaded the Jenkins here:

https://build.wwivbbs.org/jenkins/job/wwiv/

Hope that helps.

- Mark
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On 13 Sep 2020, Vk3jed said the following...

Hmm, I'm still sure the X client will die when it loses connection with the server.

Without a doubt. I have no idea why I thought otherwise before.

- Andre

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On 09-13-20 16:30, Andre wrote to Vk3jed <=-

On 13 Sep 2020, Vk3jed said the following...

Hmm, I'm still sure the X client will die when it loses connection with the server.

Without a doubt. I have no idea why I thought otherwise before.

Yeah. You can use either a VNC X server on the Linux machiine, but then you're back to using VNC, just this time with a virtual desktop that's not visible. Or there's Xvfb, but that's for when you want to run X clients totally headless and non interactive. In other words, not useful for this situation. Xvfb is good when you have some X program that can run unattended, but had a GUI that just gets in the way.


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