On 28 Nov 2019, Black Panther said the following...

On 28 Nov 2019, lemonlime said the following...

Just about 2 weeks ago, I purchased an AMD Ryzen 5 3400G to use as my
main system. The only major issue that I had was trying to install Linux on the SSD. I'm thinking it was the need of a newer version of the

My son who is in IT, is swearing by the AMD Ryzen 5 he is trying to talk me into AMD, I am old school and had one AMD and to me it was crap, but this one is quick and runs well. He built a Home Server around it, he runs Kubuntu on it.. No issues at all with it.. I might just have to go that route one of
these days..

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On 29 Nov 2019, Bucko said the following...

My son who is in IT, is swearing by the AMD Ryzen 5 he is trying to talk me into AMD, I am old school and had one AMD and to me it was crap, but

As an IT professional myself I fully agree with your son. I have rolled out more servers and workstations over the past 2 years with Ryzen and
Threadripper due to price, performance and most of all the reliability. Intel has a little bit of work to do and gen 10 wont be the answer they were hoping for but is a positive move forward for them. AMD has improved their long term development and is ready to continue to keep Intel in check which is pure benefit for us (the consumer) with pricing and finally performance gains
worthy looking at with each generation cpu again!

Personally for me the best part has been my AMD stock as I made sure to significantly increase my AMD portfolio when the stock was at $9-$10 a share.

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On 29 Nov 2019, Bucko said the following...

My son who is in IT, is swearing by the AMD Ryzen 5 he is trying to talk me into AMD, I am old school and had one AMD and to me it was crap, but this one is quick and runs well. He built a Home Server around it, he
runs Kubuntu on it.. No issues at all with it.. I might just have to go that route one of these days..

That's because AMD's started to wise up about per-core performance rather
than multi-core overall performance. Many people have been saying for a while now that Intel's lost their edge, and they're not wrong. I'm still running a FX-8350 on my main rig, but my next gaming PC will be running Ryzen. As for Graphical performance, NVidia still reigns supreme in sheer graphical computational ability.

Now, if only I could get rid of this blasted microstutter I keep having to
deal with...

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On 29 Nov 2019, Bucko said the following...

My son who is in IT, is swearing by the AMD Ryzen 5 he is trying to talk me into AMD, I am old school and had one AMD and to me it was crap, but this one is quick and runs well. He built a Home Server around it, he

AMD and Intel have traded places in the market quite a few times. For example:

AMD's 386 & 486 were cheaper, faster and more efficient than Intel's.
Intel's Pentium went pretty much unrivaled while AMD's 5x86 was just a juiced- up 486.
AMD's K6 lines ended up being the very low end budget option compared to Intel's Pentium MMX, II & III, especially after Intel released the Mendocino Celerons that turned out to be inexpensive overclocking monsters.
AMD's Athlon overtook the Pentium II/III at lower prices and was the first to hit 1GHz.
The Athlon XP kept up with the Pentium 4, and there was the whole fiasco initially with Intel tying their platform to expensive rambus memory.
The Athlon 64 brought 64bit processors to the mainstream and Intel had pretty much no answer to it until the Core2.
AMD's Phenom ended up being mediocre and the FX series lagged behind in most use cases as the budget option again while Intel continued with new
generations of Core.
Now we're seeing Intel's Core chips actually regressing in performance as errata in the processor design keeps being found, while AMD's Ryzen chips are great performers at lower cost.

Needless to say I'm a very disloyal customer and have jumped ship many times.

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Guess my kid isn't wrong! Guess I need to start looking into Ryzen when I
build a new server.. Can't hurt..

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On 11-30-19 19:06, Bucko wrote to Nodoka Hanamura <=-

Guess my kid isn't wrong! Guess I need to start looking into Ryzen when
I build a new server.. Can't hurt..

I've heard only good things about Ryzen. If I was in the market for a new PC today, Ryzen would be at the top of my processor list.


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Static wrote to Bucko <=-

AMD's 386 & 486 were cheaper, faster and more efficient than Intel's. Intel's Pentium went pretty much unrivaled while AMD's 5x86 was just a juiced- up 486.
AMD's K6 lines ended up being the very low end budget option compared
to Intel's Pentium MMX, II & III, especially after Intel released the Mendocino Celerons that turned out to be inexpensive overclocking monsters. AMD's Athlon overtook the Pentium II/III at lower prices and
was the first to hit 1GHz.

Those were fun times. I worked IT as a software company at the time, and having serious competition among CPU makers was interesting.

Don't forget on the low end, Cyrix and IBM - I somehow started running my
UNIX servers on 486slc chips, Intel made overdrive chips, and AMD's 386-40 seemed to hold their own for much longer than expected - I ran my desktop
on one for a couple of years then swapped the BBS over to it.



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On 01 Dec 2019, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Don't forget on the low end, Cyrix and IBM - I somehow started running
my UNIX servers on 486slc chips, Intel made overdrive chips, and AMD's 386-40 seemed to hold their own for much longer than expected - I ran my desktop on one for a couple of years then swapped the BBS over to it.

AMD's 386/486 processors just ended up being a lot better than expected. It's probably why Intel tried to end their x86 license with them back then.

I didn't mention some of the other manufacturers mainly because they're not competing with AMD or Intel anymore, but I remember those. I don't really
think of IBM as a player in the x86 arena though since they and a few other companies were just re-branding Cyrix's designs. IBM ended up manufacturing chips for a few companies, like Nexgen who wound up being bought by AMD for their Pentium-like designs.

Cyrix chips had some great integer performance for how cheap they were but
they neglected floating point performance while trying to compete with the Pentium. I think that really came back to bite them when home users started playing a lot of FPU-heavy 3D games. Still was a good value proposition for something like a file server though.

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On 01 Dec 2019, Vk3jed said the following...

I've heard only good things about Ryzen. If I was in the market for a
new PC today, Ryzen would be at the top of my processor list.

Nowadays I don't really pay too much attention to hardware, except for
laptops. Everythig is multiple core Xeon processors in my world, so I look at things like hot-swappable redundant power supplies and the MTBF of fans and bonding NICs in case one fails, etc.

But I've always liked AMD. Back in the day I made a call once to a guy I met
in their booth at Comdex, and for a few years I would receive demo
engineering test chips from them, mostly things like 80287's and 80387's
before the 486DX's came out.

Even when Intel leaped out in front I still favored AMD years later because
of how they treated me when everything was AT class systems.

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On 12-08-19 00:15, tallship wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Nowadays I don't really pay too much attention to hardware, except for laptops. Everythig is multiple core Xeon processors in my world, so I
look at things like hot-swappable redundant power supplies and the MTBF
of fans and bonding NICs in case one fails, etc.

Yeah, I don't normally pay a lot of attention

But I've always liked AMD. Back in the day I made a call once to a guy
I met in their booth at Comdex, and for a few years I would receive
demo engineering test chips from them, mostly things like 80287's and 80387's before the 486DX's came out.

That's pretty cool. :)

Even when Intel leaped out in front I still favored AMD years later because of how they treated me when everything was AT class systems.

Understandable. :)


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