Hello!

For your perusal and comments/additions/corrections:

https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/




../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: From somewhere in Hastings County, Ontario (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

On 27/04/2019 03:39:00, August Abolins wrote to All:

For your perusal and comments/additions/corrections:

https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/

Thank you very much indeed for putting that up, much appreciated.

Where should we post our comments/additions/corrections :)

Regards,
Martin

--- APoint 1.25
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin,

On 27.04.19, you wrote to August Abolins:

For your perusal and comments/additions/corrections:
https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/

Thank you very much indeed for putting that up, much appreciated.
Where should we post our comments/additions/corrections :)

Oh.. this echo is probably fine for that. Or.. a netmail with "PRO" or "CON" somewhere in the Subject would get my attention too.

BTW.. I am not shorting OXP on PROs. It's that I/We find fewer things to complain about on it.


../|ug

--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
* Origin: Reluctantly Revisiting Fidonet (2:221/1.59)

Hello August!

On 27.04.19 at 19:22, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

For your perusal and comments/additions/corrections:
https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/

Thank you very much indeed for putting that up, much appreciated.
Where should we post our comments/additions/corrections :)

Oh.. this echo is probably fine for that.

OK, here's a few for starters :-)

Corrections
===========

[APoint] CONS
-------------
"- internal editor: ^Y deletes UNDER the current line."
This should be in [WinPoint] CONS.


Additions
=========

[APoint] PROS
-------------
Editable right-click menus.
Script recorder.
Message tagging(flags).
Extensive context-sensitive help.

[APoint] CONS
-------------
Nodelist browser barfs when more than one nodelist/pointlist
installed.
Internal editor does not indent quoted text.


Comments
========

[Apoint] CONS
-------------
"- JAM support broken. Only Apoint message base (AMF) supported."

I don't think this is entirely true because if you look at one of your
own posts of the 26th April where you included one of my posts from
way back in 2003, I said this: "APoint will handle a JAM message base
that APoint itself has created ......". As development stopped
sometime in 2001, I'm assuming that my statement from 2003 is still
correct. However, we've recently discovered a cosmetic issue when
converting an existing AMF format message area to JAM format. Based on
all that, it may be better to say something along the lines of
"Cosmetic issue after converting an AMF format area to JAM format".
I'll leave it up to you to decide what to do :-)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)

On 02/05/2019 2:37 a.m., Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:

Comments
========

[Apoint] CONS
-------------
"- JAM support broken. Only Apoint message base (AMF) supported."

way back in 2003, I said this: "APoint will handle a JAM message base
that APoint itself has created ......". As development stopped
sometime in 2001, I'm assuming that my statement from 2003 is still
correct. However, we've recently discovered a cosmetic issue when
converting an existing AMF format message area to JAM format. Based on
all that, it may be better to say something along the lines of
"Cosmetic issue after converting an AMF format area to JAM format".
I'll leave it up to you to decide what to do :-)

So.. "Apoint JAM base = Proprietary + Fails to display Quantity of messages in Area list.

?

To me, "cosmetic" would imply an affect on something that works but renders differently.

In this case, message count is completely missing. :(

--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.
* Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)

Hello Martin!

On 5/2/2019, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

[APoint] CONS
-------------
Internal editor does not indent quoted text.

What do you mean by this one?

When do a reply, your initial's are added + ">" + a space, quite fine. Previously quoted text gets an extra ">" in the existing string. I don't see
anything amiss.

../|ug

--- APoint 1.25
* Origin: APoint - for a better understanding. (2:221/1.59)

On 2019 May 02 19:55:18, you wrote to Martin Foster:

[APoint] CONS
-------------
Internal editor does not indent quoted text.

What do you mean by this one?

look above at how my GoldED quoted your's and martin's texts... there's a space
before the initials... in your's that i'm replying to, the MF quote lines are flush left instead of having a leading space...

)\/(ark

Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
... A mediator has done his job when both sides hate him.
---
* Origin: (1:3634/12.73)

Hello mark!

** 02.05.19 - 20:14, mark lewis wrote to August Abolins:

[APoint] CONS
-------------
Internal editor does not indent quoted text.

What do you mean by this one?

look above at how my GoldED quoted your's and martin's texts... there's a
space before the initials... in your's that i'm replying to, the MF quote
lines are flush left instead of having a leading space...

OH... ok. I can see the nicety of an indent. Meanwhile, I reconfigured
OXP to add an extra space in front of the quote-initals.



../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello Martin!

** 02.05.19 - 09:37, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/

Corrections
===========

[APoint] CONS
-------------
"- internal editor: ^Y deletes UNDER the current line."
This should be in [WinPoint] CONS.

Thank you for that. Flipping between Apoint and WinPoint can make me
dizzy.

Additions
=========

[APoint] PROS
-------------
Editable right-click menus.
Script recorder.
Message tagging(flags).
Extensive context-sensitive help.

DONE.

BTW.. The script feature looks interesting. I supposed it is designed to simplify repeated tasks? Do you use it - much?

Regarding "Editable right-click menus" ..what is that, really?

I note that the Toolbar is "editable" to one's preferences, but I don't
think you mean that.

[APoint] CONS
-------------
Nodelist browser barfs when more than one nodelist/pointlist
installed.
Internal editor does not indent quoted text.

DONE.

The multiple nodelist problem is a big one IMHO.

The "not indent quoted text" is a prime example of something cosmetic
only. ;)

[Apoint] CONS
-------------
"- JAM support broken. Only Apoint message base (AMF) supported."

I don't think this is entirely true because..
..we've recently discovered a cosmetic issue when
converting an existing AMF format message area to JAM format.

DONE. I created a new numbered note on the matter.

THANKS!

For the convenience of others lurking here and/or just picking up this
echo, the updated list is here: https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

On 02.05.19 at 21:15, August Abolins wrote to mark lewis:

[APoint] CONS
-------------
Internal editor does not indent quoted text.

What do you mean by this one?

look above at how my GoldED quoted your's and martin's texts... there's
a space before the initials... in your's that i'm replying to, the MF
quote lines are flush left instead of having a leading space...

OH... ok. I can see the nicety of an indent. Meanwhile, I reconfigured OXP to add an extra space in front of the quote-initals.

Yeah, that's much better :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

On 02.05.19 at 19:55, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

[APoint] CONS
-------------
Internal editor does not indent quoted text.

What do you mean by this one?

See Mark's reply :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

On 02.05.19 at 21:54, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Corrections
===========

[APoint] CONS
-------------
"- internal editor: ^Y deletes UNDER the current line."
This should be in [WinPoint] CONS.

Thank you for that. Flipping between Apoint and WinPoint can make me dizzy.

Yeah, me too %-)

Additions
=========

[APoint] PROS
-------------
Editable right-click menus.
Script recorder.
Message tagging(flags).
Extensive context-sensitive help.

DONE.

Thanks.

BTW.. The script feature looks interesting. I supposed it is
designed to simplify repeated tasks?

Yes, that's exactly what it's designed for.

Do you use it - much?

Nope, never.

Regarding "Editable right-click menus" ..what is that, really?

You can add menu options to your right-click menu which can save a lot
of time. You can have different right-click menus for each window. Right-Click in any window, click "Edit" and all will be revealed ;-)

I note that the Toolbar is "editable" to one's preferences, but I don't think you mean that.

You thought right but it's a very similar feature. In fact, you may
wish to add that to the "[APoint] PROS" section.

[APoint] CONS
-------------
Nodelist browser barfs when more than one nodelist/pointlist
installed.
Internal editor does not indent quoted text.

DONE.

Thanks.

The multiple nodelist problem is a big one IMHO.

Yeah and I'm sorry to have to say this but IMO, the nodelist browser
sucks. Please don't add that to the list :))

The "not indent quoted text" is a prime example of something cosmetic only. ;)

Yeah and it's more a matter of personal preference but actually, it's considered normal custom and practice to indent quoted text on Fido :)

[Apoint] CONS
-------------
"- JAM support broken. Only Apoint message base (AMF) supported."

I don't think this is entirely true because..
..we've recently discovered a cosmetic issue when
converting an existing AMF format message area to JAM format.

DONE. I created a new numbered note on the matter.

Thanks.

THANKS!

Thank YOU :)

I have a request .....

In the intro at the top of the page, could you change "includes
Windows/Linux program and Quick-Start guide" to "includes Windows/
Linux program/source and Quick-Start guide".

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

On 02.05.19 at 17:48, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Comments
========

[Apoint] CONS
-------------
"- JAM support broken. Only Apoint message base (AMF) supported."

way back in 2003, I said this: "APoint will handle a JAM message base
that APoint itself has created ......". As development stopped
sometime in 2001, I'm assuming that my statement from 2003 is still
correct. However, we've recently discovered a cosmetic issue when
converting an existing AMF format message area to JAM format. Based on
all that, it may be better to say something along the lines of
"Cosmetic issue after converting an AMF format area to JAM format".
I'll leave it up to you to decide what to do :-)

So.. "Apoint JAM base = Proprietary + Fails to display Quantity of messages in Area list.

Errrrrrrm, no, APoint AMF message base = proprietary.

To me, "cosmetic" would imply an affect on something that works but renders differently.

Hmmmmm, I'll have to think about that one :)

In this case, message count is completely missing. :(

Yes, that's correct but the messages are still there when you go into
the message list.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

** 03.05.19 - 14:57, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

So.. "Apoint JAM base = Proprietary + Fails to display Quantity of
messages in Area list.

Errrrrrrm, no, APoint AMF message base = proprietary.

But way back in the day, you wrote that Apoint does not work with pre- exisiting JAM message bases. Which led you to believe that Apoint
utilized a proprietary version of its own JAM.

Will WinPoint work with the standard JAM produced from another source, or will it barf?

...but the messages are still there when you go into
the message list.

But who will want to embrace Apoint if it behaves like that?

To me, that's "broken".


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello Martin!

** 03.05.19 - 14:57, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

[Apoint] CONS
-------------
"- JAM support broken. Only Apoint message base (AMF) supported."

...but the (JAM) messages are still there when you go into
the message list.

I did a little test.

[1] I converted a particular echo to JAM, in Apoint.
[2] I loaded SemPoint and pointed it to those sets of files. SemPoint
listed all 100+ message quite fine. :) Immediately, I thought WOW.. I can use SemPoint as my new editor!
[3] I created a new message in the area with SemPoint. It listed fine.
[4] Saved, fine.
[5] Closed SemPoint.
[6] Opened Apoint, and immediately received an error mentioning APAC10.dll module.
[7] Listed messages in Apoint, but all messages were gone.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello Martin!

** 03.05.19 - 14:51, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

[APoint] CONS
-------------
Nodelist browser barfs when more than one nodelist/pointlist
installed.
Internal editor does not indent quoted text.

Yeah and I'm sorry to have to say this but IMO, the nodelist browser
sucks. Please don't add that to the list :))

I concur. The nodelist tool is not really a browser at all. It's more
like a look-up tool, and it *only* looks up by Lastname only. It ignores Firstnames.



../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello Martin!

** 03.05.19 - 14:51, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

I have a request .....

In the intro at the top of the page, could you change "includes
Windows/Linux program and Quick-Start guide" to "includes Windows/
Linux program/source and Quick-Start guide".

DONE.



../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello Martin!

On 5/3/2019, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Regarding "Editable right-click menus" ..what is that, really?

You can add menu options to your right-click menu which can save a lot of time. You can have different right-click menus for each window. Right-Click in any window, click "Edit" and all will be revealed ;-)

I note that the Toolbar is "editable" to one's preferences, but I
don't think you mean that.

You thought right but it's a very similar feature. In fact, you may
wish to add that to the "[APoint] PROS" section.

Good idea! That sort of self-administered mod to the Toolbar and to the additional windows is quite nice and definitely PRO-worthy.

BTW.. can we modify the quote function and add a space before the initials? (I
just did it manually in this short message.)




--- APoint 1.25
* Origin: Get Apoint HERE: https://stargate.org.uk/apoint (2:221/1.59)

Hello August!

On 03.05.19 at 19:30, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

I have a request .....

In the intro at the top of the page, could you change "includes
Windows/Linux program and Quick-Start guide" to "includes Windows/
Linux program/source and Quick-Start guide".

DONE.

Thanks and I see you've added some images - nice! :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)

Hello August!

On 03.05.19 at 21:17, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

[snip]

BTW.. can we modify the quote function and add a space before the initials?

Don't think so :(

(I just did it manually in this short message.)

Yeah, I tried that with a coupla messages but it's a bit of a PITA.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)

Hello Martin!

** 04.05.19 - 11:19, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

In the intro at the top of the page, could you change "includes
Windows/Linux program and Quick-Start guide" to "includes Windows/
Linux program/source and Quick-Start guide".

DONE.

Thanks and I see you've added some images - nice! :)

A webpage needs a graphic here and there. Sofar, it's easy with just a
few images.

Anything more, and I'll have to build a proper blog or something. I have
a feeling that's what it may become.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

On 26.04.19 at 20:25, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

I thought I'd box clever<g> and convert one of my existing message
areas from the proprietary AMF format to JAM.

Everything appeared fine until I exited and restarted APoint..

I believe you were tackling a JAM format issue with Apoint back in 2003:

----[begin]----
From: Martin Foster
To: Russell Tiedt
Date: 2003-01-14 09:12:32
Subject: APoint

Yes it does BUT I'm sorry to say that it's flawed. APoint will handle a JAM message base that APoint itself has created but if you hook up APoint to an already existing JAM message base created by another program, it will read the message base just fine but it will not write to it correctly. This has been a long-standing problem and I hope the author(s) will fix it for the next release.

-+- Msged/BeOS 6.0.2
+ Origin: Bitz-Box (2:250/501.2)
----[end]----

Was Apoint at 1.25 back then?

../|ug

-+- OpenXP 5.0.38
+ Origin: From somewhere in Hastings County, Ontario (2:221/1.58)

On 03.05.19 at 17:53, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

So.. "Apoint JAM base = Proprietary + Fails to display Quantity of
messages in Area list.

Errrrrrrm, no, APoint AMF message base = proprietary.

But way back in the day, you wrote that Apoint does not work with pre- exisiting JAM message bases.

Yes, that's correct.

Which led you to believe that Apoint utilized a proprietary
version of its own JAM.

Don't think it did.

Will WinPoint work with the standard JAM produced from another source, or will it barf?

WinPoint doesn't support JAM at all.

...but the messages are still there when you go into
the message list.

But who will want to embrace Apoint if it behaves like that?

Probably nobody.

To me, that's "broken".

You say "broken", I say "cosmetic" :-)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)

Hello Martin!

On 5/5/2019, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

I believe you were tackling a JAM format issue with Apoint back in
2003:

----[begin]----
From: Martin Foster
To: Russell Tiedt
Date: 2003-01-14 09:12:32
Subject: APoint

[snippity..]

.. but if you hook up APoint to an already existing JAM message base
created by another program, it will read the message base just fine
but *it will not write to it correctly*.

[..snip]

Which led you to believe that Apoint utilized a proprietary
version of its own JAM.

Don't think it did.

OK.. you didn't say *exaclty* that. ;) But.. Apoint's JAM is not playing nicely with the JAM spec, and breaks existing files. Plus, it deleted all the messages from it's *own* build after I added a new message with SemPoint.

Will WinPoint work with the standard JAM produced from another
source, or will it barf?

WinPoint doesn't support JAM at all.

Oops.. sorry. I got dizzy for a sec. LOL. I meant Apoint.

...but the messages are still there when you go into
the message list.

..and probably *only* if you don't add any new messages, either by edit, or incoming by toss?

But who will want to embrace Apoint if it behaves like that?

Probably nobody.

OK.. here's a test. Convert a base to JAM, add a few messages with itself, then convert it back to AMF. Is everything kosher?

To me, that's "broken".

You say "broken", I say "cosmetic" :-)

Noted. But, in your own words way at the top: "wll not write to it correcty".
Cosmetic? More makeup can't coverup that serious problem! LOL


../|ug

--- APoint 1.25
* Origin: What I say, APoint says. (2:221/1.59)

Hello August!

On 27.04.19 at 19:22, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

For your perusal and comments/additions/corrections:
https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/

Thank you very much indeed for putting that up, much appreciated.
Where should we post our comments/additions/corrections :)

Oh.. this echo is probably fine for that. Or.. a netmail with "PRO" or "CON" somewhere in the Subject would get my attention too.

Here's some more .....

OpenXP
======

Additions
---------

[CONS]
No support for USB printers.
No support for Wireless printers.
Extremely limited message tagging.
Cannot show message lists by posting date.

[PROS]
Automatic nodelist/pointlist updating.
Autopost feature.
Supports file echos, easily managed by the file echo manager.
Comprehensive, easy to use, echo area manager.
Supports importing of file lists.
Outgoing messages can be held via the "Park" function.
Automatic RRQ confirmations.
Real-time language switching to/from English/German.
4D and 5D addressing.
Editor line length configurable.
Multi-Quote replying.
Archive viewer.
Enable/disable dupe detection.
Comprehensive colour configuration.
Debug log.
Twit filter.
Show hex dumps of messages.
Supports collection of identical echos from multiple Boss Nodes.
Fully integrated email/news clients(POP3, SMTP, NNTP, SSL/TLS, IPv4,
IPv6)
Open source(GPLv2).
Source freely available either by svn or by d/loadable ZIP archive.
Actively developed.
Responsive developer.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)

Hello Martin!

** 06.05.19 - 14:08, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Here's some more .....

OpenXP
======

Additions
---------

[CONS]

----------8<----------

[PROS]

----------8<----------

I *knew* this project was going to turn into more like a features
comparison list! LOL Nothing wrong with that, except that maybe a table like the sample that I've *updated* here at the bottom might work:

https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/



../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello Martin!

I see that you've been very busy test-driving OXP!


** 06.05.19 - 14:08, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

OpenXP
======

[CONS]
No support for USB printers.
No support for Wireless printers.

I've never gotten OXP to "print" anything for me. I thought that at least
my options to select my *virtual printers*, CutePDF or OneNote2007, would
pop up as choices, but they don't.

BTW.. considering that OXP seems to inherit direct references to legacy LPT1/2/3 etc.. for configuration, maybe the hacks out there to redirect
LPT# to USB# might work?

[PROS]

----------8<----------

Twit filter.

How do you do that? One shortcoming in OXP is the lack of overall Help Search. There is really no clue *where* to find certain features when I want. :(

And some of the features that you cite could use a little more explanation like this:

Autopost feature.
[Automatic Message-Sending] = Edit/Autosend

This is the list of messages to be sent auto-
matically. The list can have as many entries as you
wish. Note: All auto-send messages must exist indivi-
dually as files on the disk.


Autopost sounds very handy for the busy writer or sysop.

Open source(GPLv2).
Source freely available either by svn or by d/loadable ZIP archive.
Actively developed.
Responsive developer.

Again.. all good! So, things like this would be great in the comparison table as extra notes.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

On 06.05.19 at 20:54, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

[snip]

[PROS]

----------8<----------

Twit filter.

How do you do that?

- Go into your address book and select the "Special" option.
- Cursor over an entry in the address book and select "Edit".

The twit filter can be enabled/disabled in there.

More than likely, the twit won't be in your address book, so you'll
need to create an entry.

I've never used this feature, so I can't say whether it actually works
or not. I look forward to your feedback ;)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)

Hello Martin!

** 07.05.19 - 13:30, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

[PROS]

----------8<----------

Twit filter.

How do you do that?

- Go into your address book and select the "Special" option.
- Cursor over an entry in the address book and select "Edit".

Got there, no problem.

More than likely, the twit won't be in your address book, so you'll
need to create an entry.

A started to A)dd a user, typed the name, but the system wouldn't let me advance to the next stage. The screen just froze.

I've never used this feature, so I can't say whether it actually works
or not. I look forward to your feedback ;)

I would appreciate to know if you can add a name without the lockup. But I
am using the Windows version of OXP here.



../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

On 06.05.19 at 20:28, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Here's some more .....

OpenXP
======

Additions
---------

[CONS]

----------8<----------

[PROS]

----------8<----------

I *knew* this project was going to turn into more like a features comparison list! LOL Nothing wrong with that, except that maybe a
table like the sample that I've *updated* here at the bottom might work:

https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/

Yes, that looks doable.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)

Hello August!

On 07.05.19 at 22:17, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

[PROS]

----------8<----------

Twit filter.

How do you do that?

- Go into your address book and select the "Special" option.
- Cursor over an entry in the address book and select "Edit".

Got there, no problem.

OK, fine .....

More than likely, the twit won't be in your address book, so you'll
need to create an entry.

A started to A)dd a user, typed the name, but the system wouldn't let me advance to the next stage. The screen just froze.

..... this time, select "New" instead of "Edit".

- The cursor should be in the "Server" input field, press <Enter>.
- In the "User" input field, type the name(or part of the name) you
wish to twit out.
- If the name is in one of your installed nodelists/pointlists, OpenXP
should pop up the details in its nodelist browser.
- Press <Enter> over the name.

You can then proceed with the rest of the setup.

However, if the name is neither in any of your nodelists nor in any of
your pointlists, OpenXP won't let you go any further. The "User" must
be a listed system.

I've never used this feature, so I can't say whether it actually works
or not. I look forward to your feedback ;)

I would appreciate to know if you can add a name without the lockup. But
I am using the Windows version of OXP here.

I've just tried this on my Windows installation and it worked without problems with a listed system. I tried it again with an unlisted
system and OpenXP wouldn't let me go any further, I had to press <ESC>
to get out of the dialogue.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)

On 08/05/2019 7:06 a.m., Martin Foster : August Abolins wrote:

- If the name is in one of your installed nodelists/pointlists, OpenXP
  should pop up the details in its nodelist browser.
- Press <Enter> over the name.

However, if the name is neither in any of your nodelists nor in any of
your pointlists, OpenXP won't let you go any further. The "User" must
be a listed system.

Ah! I want to twit a "user".

..: oxp: CON ? "twit filter limited to nodelisted names only."

Could a hack with a custom nodelist file with the "name" (and a fake address) work? Or.. will that block every user at a particular Origin?

--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.
* Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)

Ah! I want to twit a "user".

Use "u set killfile" in BBBS. :)

It'll filter on names and/or subjects.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Hello Alan!

** 08.05.19 - 11:09, Alan Ianson wrote to August Abolins:

Ah! I want to twit a "user".

Use "u set killfile" in BBBS. :)

It'll filter on names and/or subjects.
-+- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4

That is a very nice option in a BBS itself. I thought that twitting was
only a feature in offline readers. BBBS seems to have some fine features
in the u)utilities menu.



../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello Martin!

** 08.05.19 - 14:06, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

..... this time, select "New" instead of "Edit".

-------- [Snip] ---------

However, if the name is neither in any of your nodelists nor in any of
your pointlists, OpenXP won't let you go any further. The "User" must
be a listed system.

BTW.. the system only searches by last name.

And.. it goes to show us that OXP was originally designed to work with a network of OTHER point-listed users.



../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello Martin!

** 07.05.19 - 13:30, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

[snip]

[PROS]

----------8<----------

Twit filter.

+--------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| [x] Public messages from this User will NOT |
| be imported into the message-base. This is |
| what's commonly known as a "Twit" filter and |
| is extremely useful for "twitting out" |
| certain individuals whose messages, for |
| whatever reason, you don't want to read! |
| |
| Private messages are NOT affected by this |
| setting. |

Nice.

Can you find out if the twit system matches the name irregardless of the address, or must there be a match with the name *and* address?



../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

On 06.05.19 at 20:54, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

OpenXP
======

[CONS]
No support for USB printers.
No support for Wireless printers.

I've never gotten OXP to "print" anything for me. I thought that at
least my options to select my *virtual printers*, CutePDF or OneNote2007, would pop up as choices, but they don't.

BTW.. considering that OXP seems to inherit direct references to legacy LPT1/2/3 etc.. for configuration, maybe the hacks out there to redirect LPT# to USB# might work?

I wouldn't know about that but if a user has an old parallel port
printer, that should work. Mine did back in the days when I used
CrossPoint.

[PROS]

----------8<----------

Twit filter.

How do you do that? One shortcoming in OXP is the lack of overall Help Search. There is really no clue *where* to find certain features when I want. :(

Yes, I have to agree and even a certain seasoned user has difficulty
finding stuff now and again.

And some of the features that you cite could use a little more
explanation like this:

Autopost feature.
[Automatic Message-Sending] = Edit/Autosend

This is the list of messages to be sent auto-
matically. The list can have as many entries as you
wish. Note: All auto-send messages must exist indivi-
dually as files on the disk.

Yes, I could write the proverbial book about it all :-)

Autopost sounds very handy for the busy writer or sysop.

It's very handy for a moderator to automatically post the echo rules.

Open source(GPLv2).
Source freely available either by svn or by d/loadable ZIP archive.
Actively developed.
Responsive developer.

Again.. all good! So, things like this would be great in the comparison table as extra notes.

The reason why I added those as [PROS] was because all those four
items don't apply to the other two Point programmes.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)

Hello August!

On 08.05.19 at 17:13, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

- If the name is in one of your installed nodelists/pointlists, OpenXP
  should pop up the details in its nodelist browser.
- Press <Enter> over the name.

However, if the name is neither in any of your nodelists nor in any of
your pointlists, OpenXP won't let you go any further.
The "User" must be a listed system.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hmmmmm, got that wrong, sorry.

Ah! I want to twit a "user".

Yes.

..: oxp: CON ? "twit filter limited to nodelisted names only."

Nope.

Could a hack with a custom nodelist file with the "name" (and a fake address) work? Or.. will that block every user at a particular Origin?

That's not necessary .....

In the "User" input field, type in "Joe Bloggs@1:234/567.8"(without
quotes) and see what happens.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)

Hello August!

On 09.05.19 at 00:36, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

[snip]

[PROS]

----------8<----------

Twit filter.

+--------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| [x] Public messages from this User will NOT |
| be imported into the message-base. This is |
| what's commonly known as a "Twit" filter and |
| is extremely useful for "twitting out" |
| certain individuals whose messages, for |
| whatever reason, you don't want to read! |
| |
| Private messages are NOT affected by this |
| setting. |

Nice.

Yes, isn't it :)

Can you find out if the twit system matches the name irregardless
of the address, or must there be a match with the name *and*
address?

Further to what I said in my previous post about this matter, I would
imagine that the match will be on name and address but I couldn't say
for sure. The best way to find out is for you to try it and then for
you to tell me :-))))

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)

Hello August!

On 09.05.19 at 00:03, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

..... this time, select "New" instead of "Edit".

-------- [Snip] ---------

However, if the name is neither in any of your nodelists nor in any of
your pointlists, OpenXP won't let you go any further. The "User" must
be a listed system.

BTW.. the system only searches by last name.

In this instance, yes, that's correct but I didn't know that. Good
spotting and thanks for the heads-up.

And.. it goes to show us that OXP was originally designed to work with a network of OTHER point-listed users.

Not quite sure what you mean by that ?

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:240/2188.31)

Use "u set killfile" in BBBS. :)

It'll filter on names and/or subjects.

That is a very nice option in a BBS itself. I thought that twitting was
only a feature in offline readers. BBBS seems to have some fine features
in the u)utilities menu.

Yep, Kim has put a lot of thought and effort into BBBS.

BW support has been part of BBBS ever since.. I'm not sure when but back in the
90's when CR/LF EOLs where the norm. That's not the case so much these days.

Kim does still support and maintain BBBS. I'll netmail him and explain what is happening with uploads from SemPoint and and ask if BBBS can be changed to support EOLs without the CR/LF pair. I don't know if he'll make those changes but I'll ask.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Hello Martin!

** 09.05.19 - 09:00, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

No support for USB printers.
No support for Wireless printers.

BTW.. considering that OXP seems to inherit direct references to legacy
LPT1/2/3 etc.. for configuration, maybe the hacks out there to redirect
LPT# to USB# might work?

I wouldn't know about that but if a user has an old parallel port
printer, that should work. Mine did back in the days when I used
CrossPoint.

You can trick Windows by using the USB printer as a "network" printer connected to LPT1.

net use LPT1: \\[Computer-Name]\Printer /PERSISTENT:YES

I don't have any printer connected to my OXP hosted pc, otherwise I would confirm. But I used this method several years ago to revitalize a custom DOS program to work with a new USB printer.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello Alan!

** 09.05.19 - 13:59, Alan Ianson wrote to August Abolins:

Kim does still support and maintain BBBS. I'll netmail him and explain
what is happening with uploads from SemPoint and and ask if BBBS can
be changed to support EOLs without the CR/LF pair. I don't know if
he'll make those changes but I'll ask.

Just leaving the CRs (0a) in the original without stripping them out would
be very nice! ;)

Thanks!

../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello Martin!

** 09.05.19 - 10:52, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Further to what I said in my previous post about this matter, I would
imagine that the match will be on name and address but I couldn't say
for sure. The best way to find out is for you to try it and then for
you to tell me :-))))

Will do. It will have to wait a while. I dropped the echo in OXP a while ago.

I've now added the name as you instructed: "fname lname@1:234/567.8"
where fname and lname are parts of the real name, and the address as
shown. Now, I wait for some incoming.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello Martin!

** 09.05.19 - 10:55, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

And.. it goes to show us that OXP was originally designed to work with a
network of OTHER point-listed users.

Not quite sure what you mean by that ?

I *think* I meant that OXP/Crosspoint was probably intended to work with
each person participating in its networks to be "listed", either in a top level nodelist, or a pointlist.

Anyway, here's hoping that the twit filter won't care about the fake
address I used for the name I don't want to see.



../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello, August!

09 May 19 18:36, from August Abolins -> Martin Foster, in URL @OFGHIUrl:

You can trick Windows by using the USB printer as a "network" printer
connected to LPT1.

net use LPT1: \\[Computer-Name]\Printer /PERSISTENT:YES

Wow, that's amazing. Thanks for this great trick!

Best Regards, Andreas
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20130910
* Origin: (2:240/8001.8)

Hello August!

On 09.05.19 at 22:01, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Further to what I said in my previous post about this matter, I would
imagine that the match will be on name and address but I couldn't say
for sure. The best way to find out is for you to try it and then for
you to tell me :-))))

Will do. It will have to wait a while. I dropped the echo in OXP a while ago.

I've now added the name as you instructed: "fname lname@1:234/567.8"
where fname and lname are parts of the real name, and the address as shown. Now, I wait for some incoming.

I used the fake address(1:234/567.8) just as an example to show you
that OpenXP would let you carry on with the configuration, even though
the address is not listed. You would need to use the real Fido address
of the twit after the "@".

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

On 09.05.19 at 18:36, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

No support for USB printers.
No support for Wireless printers.

BTW.. considering that OXP seems to inherit direct references to legacy
LPT1/2/3 etc.. for configuration, maybe the hacks out there to redirect
LPT# to USB# might work?

I wouldn't know about that but if a user has an old parallel port
printer, that should work. Mine did back in the days when I used
CrossPoint.

You can trick Windows by using the USB printer as a "network"
printer connected to LPT1.

net use LPT1: \\[Computer-Name]\Printer /PERSISTENT:YES

I don't have any printer connected to my OXP hosted pc, otherwise I would confirm. But I used this method several years ago to revitalize a
custom DOS program to work with a new USB printer.

Many thanks for that very useful information. Would you happen to know
if that method would work for wifi printers.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin!

** 09.05.19 - 09:00, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

...One shortcoming in OXP is the lack of overall Help Search. There
is really no clue *where* to find certain features when I want. :(

Yes, I have to agree and even a certain seasoned user has difficulty
finding stuff now and again.

Maybe a separate "app" that can emulate the OXP menu but include all the
F1 helps along the way - and have a Search - would be nice.

Autopost feature.
[Automatic Message-Sending] = Edit/Autosend

This is the list of messages to be sent auto-
matically. The list can have as many entries as you
wish. Note: All auto-send messages must exist indivi-
dually as files on the disk.

Yes, I could write the proverbial book about it all :-)

What are you waiting for!? Put your "real" life on hold! THIS is a
priority. LOL



../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello Martin!

** 10.05.19 - 11:11, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

You can trick Windows by using the USB printer as a "network"
printer connected to LPT1.

net use LPT1: \\[Computer-Name]\Printer /PERSISTENT:YES

Many thanks for that very useful information. Would you happen to know
if that method would work for wifi printers.

Give it a try! ..and let me know. :)

Windows won't care what technology a printer is. It only needs the printer name. You just have to identify the printer and give the parameters to
"net use LPT1:"


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello Martin!

** 10.05.19 - 11:00, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

I've now added the name as you instructed: "fname lname@1:234/567.8"
where fname and lname are parts of the real name, and the address as
shown. Now, I wait for some incoming.

I used the fake address(1:234/567.8) just as an example to show you
that OpenXP would let you carry on with the configuration, even though
the address is not listed. You would need to use the real Fido address
of the twit after the "@".

Noted! I now changed the address to a "real" one that the user uses.
And now I have to wait for real incoming.

Meanwhile, a message arrived addressed TO the twit. :(

It would be nice if both "From: Twit" and "To: Twit" could be twitted.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

In a post between "Andreas Dissel : August Abolins", on 5/10/2019 4:59 AM

You can trick Windows by using the USB printer as a "network" printer
connected to LPT1.

net use LPT1: \\[Computer-Name]\Printer /PERSISTENT:YES

Wow, that's amazing. Thanks for this great trick!

Don't mention it. Glad it helped. Let us know if it solves a need!

--- Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228)
* Origin: - nntp://rbb.fidonet.fi - Lake Ylo - Finland - (2:221/360)

Hello August!

## 10.05.19 at 20:25:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

...One shortcoming in OXP is the lack of overall Help Search. There is
really no clue *where* to find certain features when I want. :(

Yes, I have to agree and even a certain seasoned user has difficulty
finding stuff now and again.

Maybe a separate "app" that can emulate the OXP menu but include all the F1 helps along the way - and have a Search - would be nice.

Are you volunteering ;-))

Regards,
Martin

--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:250/1.1)

Hello August!

## 10.05.19 at 20:37:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

[snip]

Noted! I now changed the address to a "real" one that the user uses.
And now I have to wait for real incoming.

Meanwhile, a message arrived addressed TO the twit. :(

It would be nice if both "From: Twit" and "To: Twit" could be twitted.

Yes it would but the built-in twit filter is just a simple rudimentary one.

There used to be a number of third-party filter "Tools" which were very good but they were all 16-Bit. The best one of all was CrossSecretary written by Christian von Busse but it was *not* easy to configure. The only one I know of that's still out there is XPFilter but it's for Linux.

Regards,
Martin

--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:250/1.1)

Hello Martin!

** 09.05.19 - 10:52, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Twit filter.

+--------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| [x] Public messages from this User will NOT |
| be imported into the message-base. This is |
| what's commonly known as a "Twit" filter and |
| is extremely useful for "twitting out" |
| certain individuals whose messages, for |
| whatever reason, you don't want to read! |
| |
| Private messages are NOT affected by this |
| setting. |

Further to what I said in my previous post about this matter, I would
imagine that the match will be on name and address but I couldn't say
for sure. The best way to find out is for you to try it and then for
you to tell me :-))))

Confirmed. The filter makes a match on messages address FROM "fname lname@z:nnn/nnn.p"

Uppercase or lower case does not matter on fname/lname

Messages addressed TO "fname lname" still come through.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello Martin!

** 11.05.19 - 11:48, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

...One shortcoming in OXP is the lack of overall Help Search. There
is really no clue *where* to find certain features when I want. :(

Yes, I have to agree and even a certain seasoned user has difficulty
finding stuff now and again.

Maybe a separate "app" that can emulate the OXP menu but include all the
F1 helps along the way - and have a Search - would be nice.

Are you volunteering ;-))

I could start with [1] simple screen shots, and then just index the collection, to create a table of contents. Then, a CTRL-F for search through *that* document would be a beginning.

OR.. [2] build a Table of Contents using Wordpress like I do here:

http://tales.wellandhistory.ca

Wordpress does all the work for the listing.

For the contents, there would be a "post" for each item in the menus with Tiles like this (eg):

Message/Search..
Message/Search/Text
Message/Search/Subject
Message/Search/User @U
Message/Search/Special
Message/Search/Marked(for reply)
Message/Search/Marked
Message/Search/Unmark
Message/Search/MessageID

etc..

Message/Export..
Message/Unsent..
Message/All..
Message/Change..
Message/Action..

Then when someone does a S)earch on the website, the full path to the "command" will appear in the Title and then the body of the post would contain the textual help.


../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello Martin!

** 06.05.19 - 14:08, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

[CONS]
No support for USB printers.

I've included this in the table (I've allowed "wireless printers" to be
part of USB), and have applied a reference to the hack solution.

[PROS]
Automatic nodelist/pointlist updating.

That, I have noticed. Very nice. Once configured, never have to bother
with separate tasks like "compiling".

Real-time language switching to/from English/German.

Really? WHERE is that?

Multi-Quote replying.

What is so particular about that? Is there a specific setting/config for that?

Twit filter.

Albiet, limited to "fully listed" or manually added names: "fname lname@z:nnn/nnn.p"

Show hex dumps of messages.

WHERE is that?

Supports collection of identical echos from multiple Boss Nodes.

I bet you really like that, to compare feeds from multiple boss nodes?

Fully integrated email/news clients(POP3, SMTP, NNTP, SSL/TLS, IPv4,
IPv6)

That is rather cool. Therefore, OXP could be a quite nice all-in-one kind
of solution for someone. But personally, t-bird or similar Windows prog
is the better tool for email and nntp, IMHO. ;)

Practically ALL of your PROs and CONs observations are now included in the table:

https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/

Since the list was quite long, I grouped your submissions as per
"function" and separated the new groupings a bit for better readability.



../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.38
* Origin: o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o§ø`ø§o,,,,o (2:221/1.58)

Hello August!

## 12.05.19 at 17:34:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Twit filter.

+--------------------------------------------------------+ |
| | [x] Public messages from this User will NOT | |
be imported into the message-base. This is | | what's
commonly known as a "Twit" filter and | | is extremely useful
for "twitting out" | | certain individuals whose
messages, for | | whatever reason, you don't want to
read! | | |
| Private messages are NOT affected by this | |
setting. |

Further to what I said in my previous post about this matter, I would
imagine that the match will be on name and address but I couldn't say
for sure. The best way to find out is for you to try it and then for you
to tell me :-))))

Confirmed. The filter makes a match on messages address FROM "fname lname@z:nnn/nnn.p"

Thanks for the confirmation.

Uppercase or lower case does not matter on fname/lname

Noted, thanks.

Messages addressed TO "fname lname" still come through.

Noted again, thanks.

Regards,
Martin

--- WinPoint Beta 5 (359.1)
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:250/1.1)

Hello August!

## 12.05.19 at 19:36:00, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

[CONS] No support for USB printers.

I've included this in the table (I've allowed "wireless printers" to be part of USB), and have applied a reference to the hack solution.

Thanks.

[PROS] Automatic nodelist/pointlist updating.

That, I have noticed. Very nice. Once configured, never have to bother with separate tasks like "compiling".

Yup, very sweet.

Real-time language switching to/from English/German.

Really? WHERE is that?

To change from English to German:
Config -> Options -> Language

To change from German to English:
Config -> Optionen -> Sprache

Multi-Quote replying.

What is so particular about that?

Quote multiple messages in a single reply.

Is there a specific setting/config for that?

Nope, just mark a bunch of messages with the <Spacebar> and then press <Shift+B>. However, I do not like the way OpenXP handles this, it's
somewhat messy to say the least. Try it and you'll see what I mean but
don't forget to unmark all the marked messages after you're done.

Twit filter.

Albiet, limited to "fully listed" or manually added names: "fname lname@z:nnn/nnn.p"

yup.

Show hex dumps of messages.

WHERE is that?

Cursor over any message in any message list and press <Ctrl+H>.

Supports collection of identical echos from multiple Boss Nodes.

I bet you really like that, to compare feeds from multiple boss nodes?

Not only that, it paid dividends when my UK Boss Node's system was down
for 3 weeks recently - it guaranteed continuity of mail :)

Fully integrated email/news clients(POP3, SMTP, NNTP, SSL/TLS, IPv4,
IPv6)

That is rather cool. Therefore, OXP could be a quite nice all-in-one
kind of solution for someone. But personally, t-bird or similar
Windows prog is the better tool for email and nntp, IMHO. ;)

Practically ALL of your PROs and CONs observations are now included in
the table:

https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/

Thanks very much for that.

Since the list was quite long, I grouped your submissions as per "function" and separated the new groupings a bit for better readability.

OK .....

In the bit about mbcico, can you change "protocol" to "mailer", thanks.

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Martin!

** 13.05.19 - 13:54, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Multi-Quote replying.

What is so particular about that?

Quote multiple messages in a single reply.

Is there a specific setting/config for that?

Nope, just mark a bunch of messages with the <Spacebar> and then press
<Shift+B>. However, I do not like the way OpenXP handles this, it's
somewhat messy to say the least. Try it and you'll see what I mean but
don't forget to unmark all the marked messages after you're done.

Just tried it with 2 messages. This is totally weird. I *think* I know what you mean. It could get confusing if you are multi-quoting 3 or more messages that are from different people. But I think it keeps the
messages in sequence.

I am not sure where this techique warrants repeated frequent usage though.




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Hello Martin!

** 13.05.19 - 13:54, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Practically ALL of your PROs and CONs observations are now included in
the table:

https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/

In the bit about mbcico, can you change "protocol" to "mailer", thanks.

DONE.

BTW.. Delivering Crashmail to a system with mbcico seems to work, but
only file-requests are a problem.



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Hello Martin!

** 13.05.19 - 13:54, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Show hex dumps of messages.

WHERE is that?

Cursor over any message in any message list and press <Ctrl+H>.

Interesting. Looks like a programmer's delight. But where does this
become useful to a regular user?



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Hello August!

## 14.05.19 at 22:09, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Multi-Quote replying.

What is so particular about that?

Quote multiple messages in a single reply.

Is there a specific setting/config for that?

Nope, just mark a bunch of messages with the <Spacebar> and then press
<Shift+B>. However, I do not like the way OpenXP handles this, it's
somewhat messy to say the least. Try it and you'll see what I mean but
don't forget to unmark all the marked messages after you're done.

Just tried it with 2 messages. This is totally weird. I *think* I know what you mean. It could get confusing if you are multi-quoting 3 or more messages that are from different people. But I think it keeps the messages in sequence.

I'm in agreement with all that apart from, with my tests, it didn't
always appear to quote the messages in sequence. Until I got bored
with it, I'd come to the conclusion that the sequence depended on the
order in which the messages were marked(but I could be wrong).

I am not sure where this techique warrants repeated frequent usage
though.

Me neither and I only ever remember using it once in 25 years!

Regards,
Martin

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Hello August!

## 14.05.19 at 22:12, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Practically ALL of your PROs and CONs observations are now included in
the table:

https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/

In the bit about mbcico, can you change "protocol" to "mailer", thanks.

DONE.

Thanks.

BTW.. Delivering Crashmail to a system with mbcico seems to work, but only file-requests are a problem.

Yes, that would appear to be the case.

Regards,
Martin

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Hello August!

## 14.05.19 at 22:15, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Show hex dumps of messages.

WHERE is that?

Cursor over any message in any message list and press <Ctrl+H>.

Interesting. Looks like a programmer's delight. But where does this become useful to a regular user?

Not quite sure really but it's there if needed.

Regards,
Martin

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Hello August!

On 11/05/2019 11:55:45, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

[snip]

Noted! I now changed the address to a "real" one that the user
uses.
And now I have to wait for real incoming.

Meanwhile, a message arrived addressed TO the twit. :(

It would be nice if both "From: Twit" and "To: Twit" could be
twitted.

Yes it would but the built-in twit filter is just a simple
rudimentary one.

There used to be a number of third-party filter "Tools" which were
very good but they were all 16-Bit. The best one of all was CrossSecretary written by Christian von Busse but it was *not* easy
to configure. The only one I know of that's still out there is
XPFilter but it's for Linux.

Correction .....

I've managed to find a Win32 version of XPFilter BUT it's all in German.
The comprehensive documentation is also in German. If you'd like copies,
let me know and I'll send them along.

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Martin!

** 17.05.19 - 14:42, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

I've managed to find a Win32 version of XPFilter BUT it's all in German.
The comprehensive documentation is also in German. If you'd like copies,
let me know and I'll send them along.

Thanks.. but I'll pass if it's in German. Meanwhile, I can manually
delete the "To: twit" as an exercise.


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Hello August!

*** Saturday 27.04.19 at 19:22, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

For your perusal and comments/additions/corrections:
https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/

Thank you very much indeed for putting that up, much appreciated.
Where should we post our comments/additions/corrections :)

Oh.. this echo is probably fine for that. Or.. a netmail with "PRO" or "CON" somewhere in the Subject would get my attention too.

Can you please add the following:

Addition
========

[APoint] PROS
-------------
Supports Styled Text(Bold, Italic, Underlined)

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Martin!

** On Tuesday 22.09.20 - 14:02, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Addition
========

[APoint] PROS
-------------
Supports Styled Text(Bold, Italic, Underlined)

DONE.

The footnote [*8] has been added with your fix.

And I adjusted the date format on that table to dd/mm/yyyy

https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/


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Hello August!

*** Sunday 27.09.20 at 09:21, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Addition
========

[APoint] PROS
-------------
Supports Styled Text(Bold, Italic, Underlined)

DONE.

Thanks for that.

The footnote [*8] has been added with your fix.

And for that.

And I adjusted the date format on that table to dd/mm/yyyy

https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/

Thanks for that also but take a close look at the month :-))

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Martin!

** On Monday 28.09.20 - 09:35, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

And I adjusted the date format on that table to dd/mm/yyyy

https://kolico.ca/fidonet/echos/points/

Thanks for that also but take a close look at the month :-))

888888ba .88888. dP dP dP
88 `8b d8' `8b 88 88 88
88 88 88 88 88aaaaa88a 88
88 88 88 88 88 88 dP
88 .8P Y8. .8P 88 88
8888888P `8888P' dP dP oo


Thanks for pointing that out.

I recently paid closer attention to what my online banking
system uses, invoices, and what the gov't prefers.

Bank = dd/mm/yyyy.
Statments = mm/dd/yyyy
Gov't = yyyy/mm/dd

If anything, we are conditioned to keep guessing what our
reality is. :( No wonder I am confused.

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Hello, August Abolins - Martin Foster.
On 9/28/20 12:19 AM you wrote:

Thanks for pointing that out. I recently paid closer attention to
what my online banking system uses, invoices, and what the gov't
prefers. Bank = dd/mm/yyyy. Statments = mm/dd/yyyy Gov't =
yyyy/mm/dd

Strange. In the US, most people and places use mm/dd/yyyy. In the
military, we used dd/mm/yyyy. I got used to it, which helped me later.
I worked in the oil and gas industry for years, and had communicated internationally a lot. Dates could have been confusing there.

If anything, we are conditioned to keep guessing what our reality
is. :( No wonder I am confused.
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Hello Chuck!

*** Tuesday 29.09.20 at 22:15, Chuck Pierson wrote to August Abolins:

[snip]

Strange. In the US, most people and places use mm/dd/yyyy. In the military, we used dd/mm/yyyy. I got used to it, which helped me later.
I worked in the oil and gas industry for years, and had communicated internationally a lot. Dates could have been confusing there.

Although I've lived in the UK all my life and was brought up to use the British date format(dd/mm/yyyy), I now much prefer to use the European
date format(dd.mm.yyyy).

Regards,
Martin

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Hello Martin!

** On Wednesday 30.09.20 - 09:18, Martin Foster wrote to Chuck Pierson:

Although I've lived in the UK all my life and was brought
up to use the British date format(dd/mm/yyyy), I now much
prefer to use the European date format(dd.mm.yyyy).

The "." vs "/" makes no difference to me. Albiet, I am partial
to the "." when illustrating a phone number (See the very top
of my biz website: https://ashlies.ca

When I worked in industry where the client was primarily the
military, the spec documents and other correspondences used
what I call the odemeter arrangement for the date:

yyyy mm dd, or yyyymmdd

That made the most sense for me. It was super easy to sort
files and instantly see the proper order of things.

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Hello Chuck!

** On Tuesday 29.09.20 - 22:15, Chuck Pierson wrote to August Abolins:

Thanks for pointing that out. I recently paid closer attention to
what my online banking system uses, invoices, and what the gov't
prefers. Bank = dd/mm/yyyy. Statments = mm/dd/yyyy Gov't =
yyyy/mm/dd

Strange. In the US, most people and places use mm/dd/yyyy. In the military, we used dd/mm/yyyy. I got used to it, which helped me later.
I worked in the oil and gas industry for years, and had communicated internationally a lot. Dates could have been confusing there.

I think yyyy/mm/dd makes the most sense. It resembles the way an odometer works or how any other click counter works, or how the incremental numbering system works in general.

I've worked with the MIL-STD docs for the Standard Electronic Modules Program (SEMP). That is where I first noticed the consistent and sensible use of dd/ mm/yyyy. (like an odometer in reverse)

Looking at some of those MIL-STD docs brings back a lot of memories. My work pertained to the electrical requirements of the modules. Start with MIL-STD 1389C and begin the journey of standard pointing to standard pointing to standard pointing to standard... (arghh)

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