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    From MICHAEL LOO@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Friday, August 23, 2019 02:14:58
    Often things come at one from an unexpected angle or take
    more time and attention than have been budgeted for. For me
    the echo is of a somewhat higher priority than others give
    it, and some of those around me don't see why I should be
    on so frequently (or at all) and begrudge me my quiet time
    at the laptop. And there are interruptions in service,
    planned and unplanned (most recently at a Hampton Inn!).
    My usual practice is to at least download a message packet every night,
    and to try to do some replies at least every other day if not daily, but

    My method is similar, but I feel the need to maintain a
    more constant presence than you have to. It's amusing
    that this is becoming a metadiscussion of the echo,
    the food receding into the distance. Not that I mind,
    but to set an example (not something I'm accustomed to)
    I'm sticking to the time-honored use of an apt or inept
    recipe as ontopicizer.

    often taking a break for Sunday... And to keep to that on trips as long
    as I have access (such as at Shipps, or later this year, at Hafflys)...

    Occasionally I take a break on Sunday, not for any
    religious reason but because I do a lot of stuff on
    Sundays. Anyhow, though we are profane rather than
    sacred, we're not all that profane.

    but most of my trips are to places where I don't have any access... I do
    use that time to get caught up on messages, though... and then get back
    and have to get things settled out again before I can work on replies

    Despite the farflungness of my life, access is
    usually available, though most often a woefully
    insecure one, because I stick to urban areas or at
    most daytrips from them. Also, Asia is very good
    about wi-fi, having adopted the technologies much
    faster than here - you will find entire cities that
    are wi-fi enabled; of course you have to give them
    your personal information, but I often give that of
    my friend the security expert instead.

    again.... Can't do much about interruptions of service... ;0

    There's always the public library.

    My last two trips there got extended by a day by circumstance beyond
    my control...
    I hope the circumstances weren't too unpleasant. You
    did mention having to have Edith's cat put down, though.
    The cat was here at home, between trips... The first trip of those trips
    to the Pond, in June, was extended due to a monster rain storm keeping
    me there an extra day... the second trip, in early July, was extended
    because it turned out I needed to get RJ to an important appointment, as
    his Jeep wasn't working right after all... that last was more of an
    issue for not having expected it at all and not bringing enough meds to
    cover the extra day...

    Yes. I'm having to dance around both Bonnie and Rosemary's
    health issues (though Lilli seems to be fine for a change).

    I don't see why one couldn't just swirl a thick
    jam or compote into the dough, precluding the
    need for fresh fruit.
    One could, but these are a seasonal treat, so need the fruit in
    season... In times past, there have been good-sized chunks of fruit in
    the loaves, a little mushy, but not overmuch, as I recall...

    The origin of the loaves must have been (as with rotisserie
    chickens and prepared food bars) to get rid of excess inventory.
    I was thinking that the appeal of peach bread could be so great
    that they might have had to make it a nonseasonal item.

    Had a couple new brands of berries. Dzen blueberries from
    Broad Brook, CT, which were neither very sweet nor very
    tart nor very blueberryish - they had a bit of that
    intriguing tealike flavor that kept them from going
    the way of all trash.
    What with everything, I have yet to buy a box of the local Brown's Berry
    Farm blueberries this year... so I still don't know how they compare to
    the lot... ;)

    Are these a supermarket offering or do you have to go to
    a farmstand to get them?

    Peculiarities abound. I discovered that on 8/8, when I
    was at the Hampton in Antwerp, which had had some mysterious
    bad thing happen to its internet, Google Chrome magically
    installed itself, and I had to jump through hoops to get
    rid of the piece of shit. Also 7Zip and/or EaseUS have been
    keeping tabs on me (I voluntarily downloaded at least the
    second of these).
    I'm aware of Google Chrome (I think Richard has a similar view on it as
    you) but the other two I'm not familiar with...

    7Zip came preinstalled on my machine, but eventually I
    deleted it. EaseUS (despite its name a Chinese product,
    red flags) is one of the most highly rated backup programs.
    I couldn't get it to work right, but it still takes up
    space on this thing.

    I used to use CCleaner from Piriform, which used to claim to
    find and clean all sorts of tracking cookies and temporary
    files, but the new version doesn't find (or claim to)
    anything at all. So I just deinstalled it and am looking for
    an archive of a previous version. P.S. Found.
    Too bad on the new version... and good you found the previous one.... :)

    It wasn't the version I wanted, but it's better than the
    new release, which is, as most updates are, improved in
    graphics and interface and deproved in functionality.

    I wonder if computers also maltreat those who
    loathe them?
    Hmmmm.... scary thought....
    If they can sense fear, they can sense other things
    too. Think of them as very fast dogs.
    As I said.... scary..... I prefer cats.... (G)

    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.02

    Title: Son of US NAVY Minced Beef
    Categories: Main dish
    Yield: 10 servings

    1 1/2 lb Ground Beef
    2 md Onions, chopped
    Salt & Pepper to taste
    5 tb Flour, approximate
    Cooking Oil, as needed
    1 cn Whole Tomatoes, dice, 16oz
    -undrained
    5 1/2 oz Tomatoes Juice
    2 c Hot Water, approximate
    Ground Nutmeg to taste
    Sugar to taste

    Crumble the ground beef into a skillet and brown with the onions. If
    beef is very lean, add a tablespoon or two of cooking oil. Salt and
    pepper to taste. Add flour a tablespoon at a time, stirring and
    cooking each spoonful, before adding the next. The flour must be
    cooked to preclude a starchy taste through out. Add enough flour to
    absorb the most of the oil.

    Stir in the tomatoes and the tomato juice, followed by the water.
    Allow to simmer on low heat to thicken. Adjust consistency as
    necessary. This recipe should be your basic meat sauce in a gravy of
    medium thickness.

    Add nutmeg, about 1/2 t, and perhaps sugar, 1/2 t, to adjust taste.
    In the NAVY this is served over toast at breakfast. It's also great
    on hot dogs!

    Source unknown

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  • From Sean Dennis@1:18/200 to MICHAEL LOO on Friday, August 23, 2019 13:11:36
    Hello MICHAEL.

    23 Aug 19 02:14, you wrote to NANCY BACKUS:

    Title: Son of US NAVY Minced Beef

    In the Army, we called that SOS for a very good reason. :D

    Now here's something with chipped beef I can eat albeit without the pecans and sour cream (yes, I do not like sour cream):

    === Cut ===
    MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06

    Title: CHIPPED BEEF DIP
    Categories: Dips, Creole, Chachie's, Meats, Appetizers
    Yield: 8 Servings

    8 oz Cream cheese (room-
    Temperature)
    2 tb Milk
    1 Jars (2-1/2 oz) chipped
    Beef (finely chipped)
    2 tb Onions (minced)
    1 tb Green bell pepper
    (finely chopped)
    1/8 ts Black pepper
    1/2 c Sour cream
    1/4 c Pecans (finely chopped)
    1 lb Chips or crackers

    Quick and easy. Serve with chicken fricassee and rice. Preheat oven
    350F. In a large bowl, blend cream cheese and milk. Stir in chipped
    beef, onion, green pepper, pepper and sour cream. Mix well. Pour into
    a small baking dish and sprinkle pecans on top. Bake, uncovered, for
    20 minutes in a 350F oven. Serve hot with chips or crackers.

    MMMMM
    === Cut ===

    Later,
    Sean

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to MICHAEL LOO on Monday, August 26, 2019 19:34:00
    Quoting Michael Loo to Nancy Backus on 08-23-19 02:14 <=-

    Often things come at one from an unexpected angle or take
    more time and attention than have been budgeted for. For me
    the echo is of a somewhat higher priority than others give
    it, and some of those around me don't see why I should be
    on so frequently (or at all) and begrudge me my quiet time
    at the laptop. And there are interruptions in service,
    planned and unplanned (most recently at a Hampton Inn!).
    My usual practice is to at least download a message packet every night,
    and to try to do some replies at least every other day if not daily,
    My method is similar, but I feel the need to maintain a
    more constant presence than you have to.

    After all, you keep your sets to 5 messages usually... and you do need
    to be somewhat visible.... ;)

    It's amusing that this is becoming a metadiscussion of the
    echo, the food receding into the distance. Not that I mind,
    but to set an example (not something I'm accustomed to)
    I'm sticking to the time-honored use of an apt or inept
    recipe as ontopicizer.

    Not usually having recipes easily at hand, my usual ontopicizer is
    usually a food-based tagline.... ;)

    but often taking a break for Sunday...
    Occasionally I take a break on Sunday, not for any
    religious reason but because I do a lot of stuff on
    Sundays. Anyhow, though we are profane rather than
    sacred, we're not all that profane.

    Mine is actually less for religious reasons as for the fact that our
    Sundays are almost always over-packed already... as was the case
    yesterday... we left the house our usual just after 9am, and didn't
    return until 12 hours later... SS, church, an outdoor reception there,
    4th Sunday lunch group at Abyssinia, barely time to get back to church,
    then down to Fu's for dessert (high-finance at lunch had Edith putting
    the whole bill for the three of us on her card, and she suggested
    treating her to dessert at Fu's would cover nicely, but conversation
    filled the time fully), and then took Edith home, and back home
    ourselves... A little busier than normal, but not by all that much... ;)

    Edith, Richard and I shared an Abyssinia Special III for three (doro
    wet, yebeg alicia, kitfo, tomata salata, and sides of turmeric cabbage, turmeric veggies (potato, carrot, green bean) and split peas)... Renee
    had yebeg alicia with lentils and cabbage, and sent most of it home with
    us (she has a very small stomach, and decided that she'd not likely end
    up eating the rest later) even though she quite liked it.... Linda had a
    mild version of a (cooked) beef dish with the gomen and I think lentils,
    and Randy had the doro wet with some side....

    And to keep to that on trips as long as I have access (such as at
    Shipps, or later this year, at Hafflys)... but most of my trips are
    to places where I don't have any access... I do use that time to get
    caught up on messages, though... and then get back and have to get
    things settled out again before I can work on replies again....
    Despite the farflungness of my life, access is
    usually available, though most often a woefully
    insecure one, because I stick to urban areas or at
    most daytrips from them. Also, Asia is very good
    about wi-fi, having adopted the technologies much
    faster than here - you will find entire cities that
    are wi-fi enabled; of course you have to give them
    your personal information, but I often give that of
    my friend the security expert instead.

    That's one way to protect yourself... ;) Wi-fi doesn't do me much good,
    as my laptop needs direct connection... and besides, most places I go,
    like the Pond or wherever my family's camping ends up being, don't have
    wi-fi or any internet connection at all... And couldn't hook into my
    sister's internet when I was downstate for my aunt's funeral back in
    May...

    Can't do much about interruptions of service... ;0
    There's always the public library.

    Not really for trying to telnet into bbses... that's not usually
    available on other computers.... especially public ones... Last time we
    had an issue with our DSL, though, we went to Fu's and he let Richard
    hook my computer into his modem, and Richard used his computer with the
    wi-fi Fu has available... The previous time, we did similar by going up
    to the church and using that internet service, me wired and Richard
    wireless...

    I hope the circumstances weren't too unpleasant. You
    did mention having to have Edith's cat put down, though.
    The cat was here at home, between trips... The first trip of those trips
    to the Pond, in June, was extended due to a monster rain storm keeping
    me there an extra day... the second trip, in early July, was extended because it turned out I needed to get RJ to an important appointment, as
    his Jeep wasn't working right after all... that last was more of an
    issue for not having expected it at all and not bringing enough meds to cover the extra day...
    Yes. I'm having to dance around both Bonnie and Rosemary's
    health issues (though Lilli seems to be fine for a change).

    Good that Lilli's doing ok at least... ;)

    I don't see why one couldn't just swirl a thick
    jam or compote into the dough, precluding the
    need for fresh fruit.
    One could, but these are a seasonal treat, so need the fruit in
    season... In times past, there have been good-sized chunks of fruit in
    the loaves, a little mushy, but not overmuch, as I recall...
    The origin of the loaves must have been (as with rotisserie
    chickens and prepared food bars) to get rid of excess inventory.
    I was thinking that the appeal of peach bread could be so great
    that they might have had to make it a nonseasonal item.

    I suppose, but then Wegmans does do things according to seasons... there
    are some things one can only get at some particular time, such as hot
    cross buns only during Lent, Irish potato bread only for St Patrick's, fruitcake during the holiday season... and certain varieties of candy
    only at Easter, or harvest/Halloween, or at Christmas...

    Had a couple new brands of berries. Dzen blueberries from
    Broad Brook, CT, which were neither very sweet nor very
    tart nor very blueberryish - they had a bit of that
    intriguing tealike flavor that kept them from going
    the way of all trash.
    What with everything, I have yet to buy a box of the local Brown's Berry Farm blueberries this year... so I still don't know how they compare to
    the lot... ;)
    Are these a supermarket offering or do you have to go to
    a farmstand to get them?

    They're sold at Wegmans, along with other local farm produce... I did
    get a box of the local blueberries this past week, and they're about the
    same as the other's I've been getting... good enough, but only a few
    berries in each box really what they should be... I did also get a
    couple ears of local bi-color corn... they were quite nice... :)

    Peculiarities abound. I discovered that on 8/8, when I
    was at the Hampton in Antwerp, which had had some mysterious
    bad thing happen to its internet, Google Chrome magically
    installed itself, and I had to jump through hoops to get
    rid of the piece of shit. Also 7Zip and/or EaseUS have been
    keeping tabs on me (I voluntarily downloaded at least the
    second of these).
    I'm aware of Google Chrome (I think Richard has a similar view on it as
    you) but the other two I'm not familiar with...
    7Zip came preinstalled on my machine, but eventually I
    deleted it. EaseUS (despite its name a Chinese product,
    red flags) is one of the most highly rated backup programs.
    I couldn't get it to work right, but it still takes up
    space on this thing.

    Not all that easy to get rid of, eh....?

    I used to use CCleaner from Piriform, which used to claim to
    find and clean all sorts of tracking cookies and temporary
    files, but the new version doesn't find (or claim to)
    anything at all. So I just deinstalled it and am looking for
    an archive of a previous version. P.S. Found.
    Too bad on the new version... and good you found the previous one.... :)
    It wasn't the version I wanted, but it's better than the
    new release, which is, as most updates are, improved in
    graphics and interface and deproved in functionality.

    But, but... functionality is what really counts... too bad they don't
    get that....

    ttyl neb

    ... I'm not out to lunch, I'm out for a four course meal.

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